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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 4:58:36 AM   
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Dominate is a verb, not a noun.  Therefore one cannot be 'a' dominant.  But then, that could be said for submissives also.  In a traditional and grammatical sense.



Really?  One who performs the action indicated by a verb cannot be the noun derived from the same root?

Main Entry: dominantFunction: noun2 : a dominant individual in a social hierarchy




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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:02:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP I suggest you talk to a linguist about how language develops and grows, new words are formed all the time as the enviroment changes and those changes are refelcted in the way people communicate about it. The only languages this doesn't happen to are DEAD languages! A thousand years from now the posts on these board will probably be as hard to understand by those people as many find 'old english' (Try reading Chaucer in the origional... and thats only 'middle' English) spellings, meanings, context and entirely new words enter the language all the time following on from them becomming common useage before they are recognised as 'proper', 'real' or 'twue' words!

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:04:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Racquelle

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ORIGINAL: PainSmith   Comedian versus comedienne, actor versus actress, waiter versus waitress, the English language is full of places where different words are used to describe a man or a woman doing the same job.
  Yes, it exists, and they are real words, but for me its political.  To feminize a word that is neuter to begin with is to diminish the female who assumes the role.

I never saw the word domme until about 1999 or so, on the internet.  It has now infected the land of real-time play, and frankly, I find it as offensive as any other method by which people attempt to use language to diminish me becasue of my gender.  It is disheartening to see those of us who would most benefit from a paradigm shift perpetuate it.


Dear Racquelle:
This is a really punch between the eyes post (in a good way) and I appreciate it very much. However asking for a paradigm shify on a gendered world. let alone on genderised language is like crying to the moon.  I honestly feel with all the intent on this good earth it isn;t going to happen. Actor/actress etc is here to remain.
(I have been tiling the bathroom and considering if my clitoris should be a penise though...........)
I feel the OP was/is having a hard time expressing and this is rflected in the need for dominion over terminology. A kind of; I know what I will do, chuck out the word domme and chuck out ALL the dommes I have attempted to have 'real' relationships with, chuck out my profile and start from scratch.
I just feel that getting rid of a self is as tough as changing the world...both are paradiogms and both are burdens at times.


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:06:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Dominate is a verb, not a noun.  Therefore one cannot be 'a' dominant.  But then, that could be said for submissives also.  In a traditional and grammatical sense.



Did you make a typo there sweetie? Did you mean to say that One couldn't be a "Dominate"... which would be like calling a sub a submission rather than a submissive?


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:10:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Dominate is a verb, not a noun.  Therefore one cannot be 'a' dominant.  But then, that could be said for submissives also.  In a traditional and grammatical sense.



Did you make a typo there sweetie? Did you mean to say that One couldn't be a "Dominate"... which would be like calling a sub a submission rather than a submissive?



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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:11:50 AM   
RCdc


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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

Dominate is a verb, not a noun.  Therefore one cannot be 'a' dominant.  But then, that could be said for submissives also.  In a traditional and grammatical sense.



Really?  One who performs the action indicated by a verb cannot be the noun derived from the same root?

Main Entry: dominantFunction: noun2 : a dominant individual in a social hierarchy




Merriam-Webster's




See above.
 
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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:18:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Bows to Ravens authority is complete embarressment.
Can I use the excuse that my nails are still too long?
 
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Thought it HAD to be a typo, you are far far to bright to have made the error delibratly.

Not often this ol' dyslexic catches a typo. I am usualy far to busy trying to catch My Own.


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:23:53 AM   
RCdc


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:25:36 AM   
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I was wondering about that too.. and long nails is an acceptable explanation ;)

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:31:12 AM   
RCdc


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

*tacklesmooches thedark, sends a hug and kiss to Darcy*

I was wondering about that too.. and long nails is an acceptable explanation ;)


I also have a sore neck( - for good reasons).
*is feeling very smooched*
 
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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 7:35:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find this contention to be as silly as the claim that the word, "ain't" ain't a word.  In the case of "ain't," this word has been in common usage and thoroughly understood, for over two hundred years.  If that doesn't make it a word, what does?

Any specific combination of phonemes which is regularly used and has a specific meaning understood by it's users IS, in fact, a word, by the very definition of the word, "word."

English is the largest, most vibrant language in the history of this planet.  It's vocabulary is now over a million words.  New words are constantly being added to it through regular usage.  Unlike the silly French, we have no legally recognized Authority attempting to regulate our language's usage and growth.  When we find a word in another language that fills a linguistic need, we unabashedly steal it.  When somebody simply makes up a word to fill such a need, and it becomes regularly used, it becomes part of our language.

Thus the word, "domme" IS a word.  Can you grok that?

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 7:40:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like Domina. I prefer Domina.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 7:44:56 AM   
MissSCD


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Status: offline 		This has to be the most stupid thing I have seen so far.  Shel, since you know how we talk in this lifestyle, and know more than anyone who has trained us and we haved trained others, then you need to look in the mirror and find the real meaning of what this lifestyle means, and how you are to make it happen for the Dom/me instead of you.  It is not all about you.
 
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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 7:50:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Isabelah
I like Domina. I prefer Domina.


Well, truth be told, so do I.  But, when somebody writes or says the word, "Domme", even pronouncing it "Dommay" I'm not going to pretend I don't know what she means.  Nor am I going to quibble about it not being a word.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 8:53:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		All of the strong dominant women I know in person refer to themselves as dom.  Not dom(me).  Not dommie.  Not some french pronounciation dommay.  They are dominant, period.
For me seeing it as domme is seeing it as DOM ME. I have to wonder why any dominant would want to have that label.  Once I was talking to a dominant male that suggested all women really wished to be dominated, even those that like to think they are in charge. 
I don't agree, but since then I have seen the word domme that way.  None of the dom women I know want to submit.
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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 8:53:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think folks that cling to vehemently semantics are terrified of giving up control.

is it possible, just possible, that by trying to marginalize the word, you also trying to marginalize the fear?




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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 9:04:18 AM   
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I prefer femdom

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 9:10:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shel

This post will probably get me lots of hate mail but it needs said Domme is not a word. It does seem to have wide acceptance but it is not a real word.  Dom is an abriviation of Dominant a word which is without sex.   ive been told its french its not.  Correctly the words Fem Dom or Dominatrix apply  as do Dominate ,Owner, and Master.   It always amazes me when otherwise articulate Women use that imitition of a word

Spellcheck before bashing, please. Dominate is what I do, Dominant is what I am.
If you are not a SUBMIT I am not a DOMINATE

With that said, Domme is the femenization for recongnizability sake of Dom.
Domme may refer to: So, it IS French, as well.
A bit more research before you mount your soap box, please.

I prefer Owner, honestly. I use Dom/Domme/FemDom for understandability sake.

DV


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 9:15:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eh... I could care less.  I am who I am, what I am and I am not worried about what someone calls me.  Hell... I call myself some pretty odd things in some people's eyes.  No one can diminish me in any way... not where it counts.  And that is within my own eyes and the eyes of those that matter to me.  If a small mind wishes to call me something that they or others might view as somehow diminishing... so what!  It is a word whether it is in a dictionary or not.  It is widely accepted and it's meaning known to us... whether it is liked or not... big deal, it means nothing to me. 

I don't like when someone disrespects others and perfere certain word useage, but in the big picture... consider the source.  I have seen domme used respectfully and I have seen it used not respectfully... doesn't change a thing for me, except my view of whoever is disrespecting someone or thing.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 9:39:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

By the logic of the OP, the following are also not words:
 
email (alt. e-mail)
blog
google (used as a verb)
blurb
quiz
serendipity
squawk
meow
zipper
teetotal
pandemonium
genocide
prequel
webinar
cyberspace
catch-22
quixotic
quark
 
I could go on, but I think the ridiculousness of the original statement is readily apparent.


All those words exist in standard dictionaries. Domme does not.
 
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And all of those words are nonsensical creation that originally had absolutely no meaning whatsoever.  Some have been invented in the last 50 years.  That they have now made their way into the general lexicon and are recognized in standardized dictionaries is precisely the point.  Trying to argue that a word isn't a word because it's not in the dictionary is pointless and ridiculous since words are created and discarded almost constantly.
 
Welcome to linguistics 101.

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