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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 9:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't say they were nonsensical when most have a specific meaning (rather than some that are 'sounds' - like meow - but that still has a meaning).  Until Domme has 'history' it won't be accepted in grammatical circles, urban maybe, but in common english language it would be null.  Even if I don't agree with the OP, I still get his point.
 
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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 10:01:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PainSmith Comedian versus comedienne, actor versus actress, waiter versus waitress, the English language is full of places where different words are used to describe a man or a woman doing the same job.
Yes, it exists, and they are real words, but for me its political. To feminize a word that is neuter to begin with is to diminish the female who assumes the role.

I never saw the word domme until about 1999 or so, on the internet. It has now infected the land of real-time play, and frankly, I find it as offensive as any other method by which people attempt to use language to diminish me becasue of my gender. It is disheartening to see those of us who would most benefit from a paradigm shift perpetuate it.



I have to agree with this because it wonderfully words how I feel as well.

People talking or writing to me using "domme" cause an initial bit of annoyance but I've learned to just tune it out if possible.


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 11:09:24 AM   
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Dominate is a verb, not a noun.  Therefore one cannot be 'a' dominant.  But then, that could be said for submissives also.  In a traditional and grammatical sense.



Really?  One who performs the action indicated by a verb cannot be the noun derived from the same root?

Main Entry: dominantFunction: noun2 : a dominant individual in a social hierarchy




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Dominant and submissive are not verbs, they are adjectives, and on occasion, adjectives may become nouns due to common useage, when the subjunctive noun is optionally omitted... ie., submissive person = submissive, dominant individual=dominant.

Dominate and submit are VERBS. Verbs denote action, and cannot be used as nouns.

Therefore, while one can be a "domin-ant", one cannot be a "domin-ate", and while one may be a "submissive", one is not able to be a "submit-tive".

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 11:24:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Racquelle
Yes, it exists, and they are real words, but for me its political.  To feminize a word that is neuter to begin with is to diminish the female who assumes the role.

I never saw the word domme until about 1999 or so, on the internet.  It has now infected the land of real-time play, and frankly, I find it as offensive as any other method by which people attempt to use language to diminish me becasue of my gender.  It is disheartening to see those of us who would most benefit from a paradigm shift perpetuate it.



To quote Eleanor Roosevelt "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

If I pander to the people who tell me that what I call myself or what I allow others to call me is a political statement, and I should feel belittled by it, there would be no words left., because -everything- is a political statement and is potentially demeaning to someone.. and I -love- words... I live by words... putting them on paper and capturing snippets of life in prose... so call me what you will, and I will answer to those things that I choose... but the words you choose to use about me will not define me as anything but what I accept from myself...

I prefer to be called a lady -- I am satisfied with domina and femdom because I like the way they resonate-- I accept other terms from domme to b*tch to nag (a favorite of my ex husband), although I like words with at least a couple of syllables better -- but I'm willing to let people use them in my direction, in the spirit that they are rendered, and apply them accordingly -- or not -- politics aside.

I think a good number of women worry too much about how they're defined on paper, and not so much about how they define themselves as people. If we worried more about how we defined ourselves and less about the words other people chose to describe us, this whole issue would be a moot point.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 4:22:04 PM   
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I wouldn't say they were nonsensical when most have a specific meaning (rather than some that are 'sounds' - like meow - but that still has a meaning).  Until Domme has 'history' it won't be accepted in grammatical circles, urban maybe, but in common english language it would be null.  Even if I don't agree with the OP, I still get his point.
 
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I doubt "Domme" will ever be accepted in grammatical circles but stranger things have happened so I won't discount the possibility.  When those words were first coined, none of them were in standardized dictionaries and carried no real meaning among the general population.  "Blog" and "cyberspace" have only been included in dictionaries within the past ten years.  "Webinar" still isn't in the dictionary according to Webster's. 
 
I get what the OP is saying.  However, his logic is flawed on the grounds that he argues that, in order to qualify as a word, a colloquial term must appear in a standardized dictionary.  This is inaccurate.  Language changes relatively rapidly.  To argue that "domme" isn't a word because it's a corruption of a shortened form of "dominant" is like arguing that "nigger" isn't a word because it's a corruption of "negro."  Yeah, lemme know how that goes. 
 
Dictionaries are slow to evolve and are not necessarily the ultimate authorities on language.  In fact, the idea that a dictionary is partcularly authoritative is a relatively new concept -- about 250 years.  Nor do dictionaries prescribe or proscribe the use of any given word.  They only describe how a word is used.  So, to qualify for inclusion in a dictionary, a word must be already in use among a majority of speakers.  Before "domme" will be included in a standardized dictionary, it must be in popular use and widely recognized as a word in it's own right.  Not the other way around.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 4:46:34 PM   
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First post and a great way to get attention. Nope I won't check out your profile because thats exactly what you want. Attention whore much? yeah I thought so..

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Very perceptive Ma`am

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:02:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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Dominate is a verb, not a noun.  Therefore one cannot be 'a' dominant.  But then, that could be said for submissives also.  In a traditional and grammatical sense.



Really?  One who performs the action indicated by a verb cannot be the noun derived from the same root?

Main Entry: dominantFunction: noun2 : a dominant individual in a social hierarchy




Merriam-Webster's




Dominant and submissive are not verbs, they are adjectives, and on occasion, adjectives may become nouns due to common useage, when the subjunctive noun is optionally omitted... ie., submissive person = submissive, dominant individual=dominant.

Dominate and submit are VERBS. Verbs denote action, and cannot be used as nouns.

Therefore, while one can be a "domin-ant", one cannot be a "domin-ate", and while one may be a "submissive", one is not able to be a "submit-tive".

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 5:36:25 PM   
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This post will probably get me lots of hate mail but it needs said Domme is not a word. It does seem to have wide acceptance but it is not a real word.  Dom is an abriviation (abbreviation) of Dominant a word which is without sex.   ive (I've) been told its french its not.  Correctly the words Fem Dom or Dominatrix apply  as do Dominate ,Owner, and Master.   It always amazes me when otherwise articulate Women use that imitition (imitation) of a word


And your point is?


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 6:53:20 PM   
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Since the dictionary is brought up, let's see what it has to say.

Word

–noun



1.

a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning.


So, it's a unit of language - check
Consists of one or more spoken sounds - check
Functions as a principal carrier of meaning - check

Seems like it fits the definition of "word" to me! ;)

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 7:25:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lashra
Attention whore much? yeah I thought so..

His Friends section is a trophy case.


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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 8:38:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is interesting. Please refer to my journal entry from 7/11/07.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 8:47:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Acknowleging that others would like to make me feel inferior, and actually feeling inferior are not the same thing.  Language shapes us and we shape language.  It matters - so I don't mind speaking up about how it matters to me.  To discount that is also an attempt to diminish - a failed attemot - but an attempt.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/2/2008 8:49:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: nightphoenix

Fast reply (as I shouldn't be on here as I'm not at home heh)

Since the dictionary is brought up, let's see what it has to say.

Word

–noun



1.

a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning.


So, it's a unit of language - check
Consists of one or more spoken sounds - check
Functions as a principal carrier of meaning - check

Seems like it fits the definition of "word" to me! ;)


It is  a word.... a coined word of jargon, and it can be applied or for that matter pronounced, as usage dictates.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/3/2008 10:23:47 AM   
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Not some french pronounciation dommay.


Actually, the french pronunciation of this psuedo-french word would be "dom" just as the french pronunciation of the french word "femme" is "fem."

My own practice is to call a dominant woman whatever she likes to be called, whether it be "Domme", "Mistress" (another word I don't particularly care for)."Ma'am", "Master", "Sir" or "Supreme Ubergoddess of The Universe."

And yes, there is one person whom I actually DO address by the last title above, but it's mainly done in jest.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/3/2008 10:25:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's from the Latin "Domina" meaning Lady, Mistress.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/3/2008 10:29:57 AM   
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Did you make a typo there sweetie? Did you mean to say that One couldn't be a "Dominate"... which would be like calling a sub a submission rather than a submissive?


It would be more like calling a sub a "submit" rather than a "submissive."

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RE: the word Domme - 7/3/2008 11:39:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't bother me much, but I am curious why we need to denote gender in dominants but not submissives.

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RE: the word Domme - 7/3/2008 1:44:36 PM   
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RE: the word Domme - 7/3/2008 2:53:03 PM   
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RE: the word Domme - 7/3/2008 2:54:37 PM   
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huh?

Were you speaking as a femdom when you said that?


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