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Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 3:11:26 AM   
Hippiekinkster


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Status: offline 		A law professor explains why this is so:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&hl=en

And an ex-cop explains Polizei interrogation techniques:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912&ei=&hl=en

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 9:26:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hate it when you guys do the video thang. I am on dial-up. It's the Reid interrogation method I'm guessing and that answer is hell no.  Don't do it.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 10:18:15 AM   
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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 10:29:12 AM   
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I hate it when you guys do the video thang. I am on dial-up. It's the Reid interrogation method I'm guessing and that answer is hell no.  Don't do it.


Neither Reid nor Gestapo techniques needed for an effective interview... the detective in the video addressed the things that every cop should learn, namely that 'everyone wants to tell their story', 'people hate silence', 'there is no such thing as off the record', 'the police are allowed to lie', and primarily...'people are stupid'.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 10:50:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		        That's right, Hippie.  Never talk to the cops.  Unless you need them of course.  Then hope like hell the person who victimized you or yours has never seen your little video links...

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 10:58:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Really interesting, Hippie - I particularly enjoyed the police officer's lecture. He corroborated everything Duane said: "don't talk to us".

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"Off the record"? "Off the record" is like the unicorn. There's no such thing.



Thank you.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:11:26 AM   
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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:20:50 AM   
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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:30:51 AM   
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enlightening it is; out here at the end of the road.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:31:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing the detective said that I would disagree with, is that he never tried to put innocent people in jail... He may not have desired to put a known innocent person in jail, but innocent people have been convicted nonetheless.

The detective novel/CSI model of deductive crime solving doesn't always lend itself to the realities of case load, organizational behavior, limited resources, available information, etc.
The nature of the investigatory process and the criminal justice system is to focus on people against whom the strongest case can be built, which leaves lots of room for error...and reinforces the lesson of 'don't talk to anyone but your lawyer' especially if you are innocent.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:34:29 AM   
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Pop by the house, I will grab you by the snotlocker and dial 'O'.

enlightening it is; out here at the end of the road.

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One of the main problems with having dial-up is being targeted by those viruses that change your dial-up number and make your modem phone a premium rate number.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:38:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's particularly interesting to think that a cop will happily sit around trying to make you confess by putting you on the back burner for ages because he gets 58 bucks an hour overtime for it: at least, he was honest I suppose. 

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:42:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which is of course, not what he said. 
He said that once someone agrees to talk to the cops, and then starts obviously stalling, they are mistaken if they believe the cops will just give up and go home.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 11:58:17 AM   
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The police officer's shift is ending in fifteen minutes. My overtime rates fifty-eight dollars an hour, do I want to get out of that room? I've no problem. I'll stay there for ten hours. I'll take that six hundred dollars.






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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 12:10:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't follow this advise in the UK because there your silence can be highlighted in the court as a factor against you. They changed the caution when they realised people refused to give evidence. I can't help but feel if everyone stayed silent no one would ever be convicted.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 12:11:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the videos are accurate but not necessarily for the average person... I mean to be practical, your "rights" aside if you try to follow that here in Texas the cops will kick the fucking piss out of you. You do not want to get on the shitlist of a southern cop. Northern cops either I suppose - remember that Hatian guy who got taken into the precinct bathroom for some plunger fun...

I dont think most people need to have such a sense of paranoia about cops. If you are somebody that they want to get for something, they will find a way to get you. The key is to make them not want to get you. I belong to something called "The 100 Club". It costs $100 a year to join, and you get a sticker to put in the back window of your vehicles. It supposedly does nothing for you except show your support of the police, but in practical application well thats another story. The cops know where their bread is buttered and they know that their pretty little air conditioned mobile command post was, per the foot high letters on the side, "Donated by the 100 Club" and their bulletproof vests came from the 100 Club and their kids college scholarship fund is from the 100 club etc...

I dont think your average citizen has much to fear about being pulled in for questioning on some murder investigation. I will say this though, if there was a murder in my neighborhood and the cops came to my door for some routine canvassing and I said "I have nothing to say I do not speak to police" and started invoking my 5th ammedment rights I would expect to move right the fuck up to the top of the "persons of interest list" and to get myself a prominent spot on the "this motherfucker thinks hes a smart ass list" and I would expect my life to go downhill from there.

The cops aren't the ogres some people think... If you get in with them youre in a damn good place to be... As I said in another thread, when my gf wanted to try pot instead of taking the risk of going out on the street and trying to score and mixing with the scumbag criminal element and possibly getting busted or robbed - I got it from a cop. When Britt got picked up for PI (public intoxication) while 20 years old, the local cops dropped her off at my house and told me to keep her out of trouble.  There have been cops at a BBQ / Crab boil who saw her drinking in my backyard and they didn't give a shit. Hell, even the ammo in the 9mm I carry isn't sold to the public so gee I wonder where I got it  

Conversely, though if you get on their bad side you are fucked and especially around here. They will literally beat you to death for public intoxication within 1/2 hour of your being released from jail in a dry part of town, after closing time, with 11 cents in your pocket. (That actually happened - the mans name was Pedro Gonzales and the officers who did it were just acquitted on "criminally negligent homicide" charges despite a witness who called in the Rodney King style beating and the fact that the man had 8 broken ribs and drowned in his own blood and the medical examiner ruled he had no alcohol.)  

Edited to add: Link removed as I cant get it to work. If you care google "Pedro Gonzales Pasadena Police" or cmail me and Ill send it to you.

Hmmm BrittneyLee gets driven to my house and dropped off with no charges, Pedro gets used as a pinata and dies in a holding cell for the same offense. You tell me - do you really want to piss them off??? Pedro's "rights" didnt keep him alive did they, and the cops walked. So it is now, so it always has been, and so it always shall be. Id rather be their buddy...
 
 

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 12:24:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

At 04.10mn:

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The police officer's shift is ending in fifteen minutes. My overtime rates fifty-eight dollars an hour, do I want to get out of that room? I've no problem. I'll stay there for ten hours. I'll take that six hundred dollars.







If you listen to the whole section, instead of editing down an out of context snippet, what he said is in line with what I claimed he said., not what you claimed.




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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 12:27:12 PM   
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I dont think most people need to have such a sense of paranoia about cops. If you are somebody that they want to get for something, they will find a way to get you. The key is to make them not want to get you. I belong to something called "The 100 Club". It costs $100 a year to join, and you get a sticker to put in the back window of your vehicles. It supposedly does nothing for you except show your support of the police, but in practical application well thats another story. The cops know where their bread is buttered and they know that their pretty little air conditioned mobile command post was, per the foot high letters on the side, "Donated by the 100 Club" and their bulletproof vests came from the 100 Club and their kids college scholarship fund is from the 100 club etc...


So you are basically saying they play favourites?

I agree with you that refusing to talk to the police will make them wonder why you don't want to talk to them. I'd talk to them as a witness but if they caution me that's a whole other matter. They can't use anything you say to them, before they have read you your rights, against you. How do you know you have the right not to incriminate yourself until they tell you?

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 12:28:26 PM   
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It happends everyday...

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 12:35:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		People may or may not be "stupid", but they certainly , for the most part, are naive about how the U.S. legal and law enforcement system works. Cops are not your friends. They only have blue friends. And *gasp* prosecutors have been known to lie and cops *gasp 2 * have been known to perjure themselves.

Bakers bake, surgeons cut and cops and prosecutors do what they do, regardless of whether someone may be innocent or not. Btw, defense attorneys do what they do regardless of whether their client is guilty as charged or not. *gasp 3 *


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