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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 3:27:32 PM   
weezyfbaby733


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figure out what about you makes you so annoying that men want to cheat on you
then change it.
why are you stalking his profile anyway?
and yes when a dom looks for another sub when he has one already, thats cheating. unless the sub agrees to it.

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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 3:34:49 PM   
Lockit


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Now that is messed up dude!  Seriously that is the stupidest thing I have seen in a long while!  You cannot blame one person for another being a liar or a cheat.  You were rude and showed your brillance... nice work there fella.

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ORIGINAL: weezyfbaby733

figure out what about you makes you so annoying that men want to cheat on you
then change it.
why are you stalking his profile anyway?
and yes when a dom looks for another sub when he has one already, thats cheating. unless the sub agrees to it.





< Message edited by Lockit -- 7/8/2008 3:38:06 PM >

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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 3:54:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: weezyfbaby733

figure out what about you makes you so annoying that men want to cheat on you
then change it.
why are you stalking his profile anyway?
and yes when a dom looks for another sub when he has one already, thats cheating. unless the sub agrees to it.


Wow. Now that's a great example of blaming the victim.
She's not the one who needs to change...

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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 4:05:43 PM   
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She's not the one who needs to change...

False.  She's been talking all thread long about her inability to deal.  Lockit had to go drill sergeant on her ass.  Don't let the assholery of some posters blind you to the fact that she has a problem -- and still would have one if her guy walked out of her life tomorrow morning.


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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 7:11:41 PM   
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quote:

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She's not the one who needs to change...

False.  She's been talking all thread long about her inability to deal.  Lockit had to go drill sergeant on her ass.  Don't let the assholery of some posters blind you to the fact that she has a problem -- and still would have one if her guy walked out of her life tomorrow morning.

Well first of all I do have very little tolerance for assholery. It was completely unnecessary.

But is it accurate to call this a problem? Her last post gave me the impression that she was on the way towards doing what she has to do. *shrugs* She has a decision to make, simple as that, and said "Still, I have absolutely NO intention of allowing this farce to continue one more moment, especially after hearing his "explanations" a little while ago." Now I know it's possible she hasn't done it yet, and hell it's even possible she won't, but are we at the point where we're claiming this girl has a "problem?" 

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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 8:10:08 PM   
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are we at the point where we're claiming this girl has a "problem?" 

I speak for no one except me.  My answer is Yes.  Anyone unable to communicate her own needs -- and her own pain -- has a problem.  It is unfair to any decent Dom to refuse to provide that information, and it is unfair to her to be stuck attracting manipulators who prefer that she keep such distractions to herself.


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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 9:01:46 PM   
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The thread started on 7/6.  It is now 7/8.  Perhaps her inability to communicate her own pain was more of a need to clarify in her head that what he was doing was lying.  I take longer than that to pick out my next corset.
Her problem.. was him.
Kyst
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ORIGINAL: KneelingSilently
are we at the point where we're claiming this girl has a "problem?" 

I speak for no one except me.  My answer is Yes.  Anyone unable to communicate her own needs -- and her own pain -- has a problem. 


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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 9:04:46 PM   
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Wow. All I have to add is that you should be sure to communicate just how hurt you are by this. 


Oddly enough, that is the hardest thing to think about doing.  While I know it isn't the right thing to do, and I will do my best to be open and tell him how I feel about this, it is my natural tendency to hide my pain when someone hurts me like this.  Kind of like, I'm not going to give them that much more power over me.  :(

Pattern.  It's happened before.  More than one him.  Problem.


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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 9:31:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: gentleslaveheart

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ORIGINAL: KneelingSilently

Wow. All I have to add is that you should be sure to communicate just how hurt you are by this. 


Oddly enough, that is the hardest thing to think about doing.  While I know it isn't the right thing to do, and I will do my best to be open and tell him how I feel about this, it is my natural tendency to hide my pain when someone hurts me like this.  Kind of like, I'm not going to give them that much more power over me.  :(

Pattern.  It's happened before.  More than one him.  Problem.



I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment.  Hiding pain to protect ourselves when we are weak and vulnerable is instinctual.  Fighting that instinct may promote good communication within a strong and healthy relationship, but the fact that the tendency exists is hardly a problem. 

Gentle's awareness and understanding of her own instincts, and her acknowledgment of the difficulty in resisting them, puts her miles ahead of a great number of people who bumble around their lives in a state of cluelessness about what goes on in their own head. 

There's a proper time for openness and a proper time to keep your own counsel... even in a healthy relationship.  Gentle felt this relationship wasn't healthy.  Seems her instincts with regard to this dominant were spot on. 

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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/8/2008 9:39:16 PM   
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What you said and what I said are both consistent.  There would have to be some contradiction for the two of us to disagree.  You said she might have done the right thing with this particular situation/confrontation.  I said that based on her words, she has a pattern of being in hurtful situations where she feels that the way to maintain power is not to communicate.  If such a pattern exists, she needs to fix that inside herself.

Just because the guy's a jerk doesn't mean she's perfect.  Besides, isn't the point to be able to attract non-jerks?  Easier to do that if you've got emotional communication skills.


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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/9/2008 6:49:10 AM   
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... I said that based on her words, she has a pattern of being in hurtful situations where she feels that the way to maintain power is not to communicate.  If such a pattern exists, she needs to fix that inside herself.


If getting in those hurtful situations is the pattern, then perhaps you and I do agree on the surface.  Though I'd question whether we can truly protect ourselves from being hurt, yet still remain open to relationships. 

I also don't believe she should be held entirely responsible for who she attracts... being the most saavy communicator doesn't guarantee that flakes will be repelled. 

I got the impression from your post that you were asserting that her natural tendency to limit her communication in hurtful situations was the problem.  That is what I disagree with.  If I misunderstood, then I apologize.

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RE: protocol and communication question - 7/9/2008 12:24:29 PM   
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I don't follow the way of thinking that says we attract certain things although there is often much that would suggest this and I would agree with.  The suggestion of something isn't always what it might seem as far as my own experience goes.  I know my way of thinking isn't what most agree with though.  But... I have seen it from religion to how soceity interacts.  Look at people in general.  How people in group settings interact and relationships and how we view them differently.  A hundred years ago, people were having sex outside marriage... but that wasn't the way it went for most.  They got married to have sex.  Then people just started living together and having sex without marriage and fewer got married.  Now days, people are more likely to jump into sex without marriage and are very free.  If one can have sex without any commitment or accountability, they do and will and fewer accept commitment and accountability.  It is okay in society to go and have a one night stand and even if it results in a um, they don't feel they must get married or do much more than maybe support the um.  Years ago this would have been frowned upon much more than it is today.

We live in a me-me society... attracting a good spouse isn't always as easy as it might have been when society expected certain things from us.  Our work ethics and such have changed drastically as well as employer's treating the employee as something valued.  Everything has changed and people I feel are less likely to be as solid and responsible.  We have made allowances for less in a lot of area's of life.  Therefore I feel that people are often less responsible as a whole when it comes to personal relationships.  I am not saying it never happened before, only that it happened less.

A person can see a bad type of relationship and go for a totally different type of person.  Different signals, different in all ways and still wind up with the same type of person, just in different packaging.  Does that mean they attracted that type?  Does it mean they were faulty when they strove to stay away from the bad type and still found it?  Are they faulty if in their own experience base, they didn't know the signs of a different package?

People are not always nice and to find honor and such is much harder to do because society doesn't expect as much honor in my opinion.  Therefore some can get hit by the curse of this without actually drawing it unto themselves.

Who can look into the mind and heart of another person and with even a 60% positive outcome, be assured that they are correct in their assumption of them?  We can be fooled, tricked, ignorant and simply wrong in knowing what another person is emotionally and in honor.  I have seen some real good packaging and still what was in that package was pure me-me, spoiled content, but to look at it, it didn't look bad.  People learn to manipulate and show a false front and some get caught in it.  The only way not to get caught in it is to stop being involved, which is an answer many use.

I do not think because of this we can excuse some from looking out for things and such, but just getting caught in a situation doesn't mean we were at fault.  It is how we manage things and keep our own emotions going in a positive direction that matters sometimes.  We cannot control others for the most part but we can control ourselves.  If we have any flaw we can be subject to those who do not have good mental health or good motives, and we have to find our way through it and can, but some will get defeated or will not have the self ego to help themselves instantly and need a bit of time to digest it and deal with it.


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