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NeedingMore220 -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 9:19:54 PM)
It could be that you need to move to find a job you are qualified for. It could be that you need to learn to be a more effective at written communication. Your post is fraught with errors and abbreviations, all of which will work against you with a prospective employer. If you can't find a job, try and figure out some way you can better yourself so that you will be able to find a job.

Lordandmaster -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 9:32:42 PM)
Fast Reply: The worst thing Gramm said isn't that we are a nation of whiners, but that the recession is just a mental recession. OK, that's ridiculous. We're all supposed to say "abracadabra" (and really mean it!) and the housing crisis will disappear?

DomAviator -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 9:41:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedingMore220 It could be that you need to move to find a job you are qualified for. It could be that you need to learn to be a more effective at written communication. Your post is fraught with errors and abbreviations, all of which will work against you with a prospective employer. If you can't find a job, try and figure out some way you can better yourself so that you will be able to find a job. I couldnt agree more. Just for the hell of it, I copied and pasted her entire post into Word and checked the grade level. It came out as 1st Semester, Third Grade. While I myself make a great many typo - there are 41 spelling errors in her post and they are not typos "screan" for "screen", "moterbike" for "motorcycle" etc... Not to insult you Hanable but, as an employer myself, I can tell you that "u aint gots no chance 2 git hired when u rite like dat"... The other thing, and again this is not meant to be insulting in any way, is that you may fnd an image makeover would be in your interest and would make you more marketable to prospective employers. Even a simple inexpensive hairstyle change can make a huge difference. Image is everything, as you represent their company. I admit, while I am quite average looking myself I hire heavily on appearance - a person has to "look the part". If someone has great stick and rudder skills but is a 13000 hour Alaskan bush pilot who looks like Grizzly Adams Ill pass him over... Any corporate flight attendants have to be "height and weight proportionate" for legal definition but in the reality - if myself and a selection board of 3 to 5 pilots think shes "a babe" we hire her. We will actually hire them out of strip clubs and train them. My clients are paying for a certain image... A change in geographic location may also be required. The rust belt is dying, people are going South. Here in Houston you cant drive anywhere without seeing "now hiring" signs...

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 10:21:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNstepsout I think he's right. We are a bunch of whiners. Americans believe that the "American Dream" is a birthright. They seem to think that somehow the government owes it to them to save them from every bad decision they make. Maybe people are working harder these days, but what they seem to think they need is FAR more too. Thirty years ago houses were smaller and plainer, a lot of families on ly had one car, most meals were eaten at home, clothing wasn't designer, appliances were meant to last, not be upgraded every 18 mos. and plastic surgery was something for the mega wealthy. Things that were once considered luxuries are now considered necessities. We're spoiled. People need to stop living for the best-case scenario and start living for the worst. They need to save some money and build some stability for themselves, instead of depending on the government to do it for them. AND our country needs to do the same thing! TNstepsout I think like Gramm you miss the point ,the people that are hurting aren't whining that their houses aren't bigger they are whining because their losing the house,they aren't worried how many cars they have their wondering how to put gas in the one,they aren't whining about whether to eat out or eat-in their hoping they can eat tonight,upgrading appliences they are pulling the plugs to save on the power bill..and plastic surgery...well adding that to this conversation seems to take this from the realm of the serious..these people are wondering if they can afford vital medical assistence...these are the people that are hurting and contrary to what You will read from most here ,some of these people played the game right ,in some cases did everything right.....in short people trying to feed their family's are rarely getting tummy-tucks

Thadius -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 10:36:57 PM)
Evening again, I am kind of torn on this one. I understand that in some places like where I am living (Michigan) the economy is in miserable shape, with no sign of improvements, the big 3 are going to be laying more off in the not to distant future. Then I look at alot of folks that moved up to bigger homes using the interest only payments so that they could buy a home that they couldn't otherwise afford; with the thought that real estate prices would continue to increase. Then you have those that figured they make a living flipping homes, without any experience, which also helped drive prices up, and ultimately played into the bubble bursting. Add into this some financial institutions using questionable lending practices, and we have a big mess. I guess where I get torn on this is, where does personal responsibility end, and where does it become an issue that the public (taxpayers) are responsible. For the record, I was damn near living in a shelter not so long ago. It becomes easy to blame others, sit on the pity pot, and put a hand out. At least for some. If somebody is not willing to at least attempt to improve their situation, should the rest of humanity have to be their keeper? Bah, that is enough rambling on this one for me. I wish you all well, Thadius

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 10:39:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Owner, I could care less about the airlines - to be blunt their financial practicies are what put them in the mess they are in... I want to slap one of my buddies / part time contract employees - the poor baby had to take a pay cut. I was like booo hoooooo, that puts you down to what now $210,000 a year working 76 hours a month? Gee good thing he has part time work with me - otherwise how could he make ends meet. LMFAO. Quite the opposite - the problems with the airlines are actually GOOD for my business as some of them are now requiring that new hires come to them already type rated - thus meaning ante up $14,000 or so to get the type rating out of your own pocket as we arent going to give it to you anymore. The inability of airlines to keep schedules is also increasing the number of businesses operating corporate aircraft thus creating clients for my management / crew leasing / contract flight dept services as well as jobs for airline pilots wanting to fill in the gap created when they got their pay cut to a miserlly 200K LOL DA did You really feel the need to jump right in and prove that You don't care about anyone else as long as Your good...as suggessted in an earlier post by Owner

DomAviator -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 10:56:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u DA did You really feel the need to jump right in and prove that You don't care about anyone else as long as Your good...as suggessted in an earlier post by Owner No Mike, I didnt although to be blunt NO I DONT. Nobody is gonna pay my bills but me, and nobody is gonna indulge my bad habits and fund my lifestyle but me... My point was, and is, that people are indeed "whiny bitches" If some poor bastard is cut down to $210 K a year while working 76 hours a month, well awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor boy! Must be tough to live on 200 K working half-time. Yet they still complain and complain heartily. What this guy makes working part time for me, is more than what many make full time - yet by god you woud think he was having his asshole rented out for him by the airline cause they cut his pay to 210K. However, no Mike I dont give a fuck about anyone but me and those close to me. If I could find a way to legally get your last dollar I would do it, because thats one more in my pocket and one less in yours. Its called Business and a businesses sole function is to generate the maximum return for the stockholders. As I said elswhere about using the Mexican dayworkers to paint my house instead of a contractor, the money I saved bought me a Waverunner. Whether the painting contractors kids eat or not doesnt matter to me, I got my painting done and a waverunner too! Me Me Me Mine Mine Mine Gimme Gimme Gimme.... [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 11:13:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u DA did You really feel the need to jump right in and prove that You don't care about anyone else as long as Your good...as suggessted in an earlier post by Owner No Mike, I didnt although to be blunt NO I DONT. Nobody is gonna pay my bills but me, and nobody is gonna indulge my bad habits and fund my lifestyle but me... My point was, and is, that people are indeed "whiny bitches" If some poor bastard is cut down to $210 K a year while working 76 hours a month, well awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor boy! Must be tough to live on 200 K working half-time. Yet they still complain and complain heartily. What this guy makes working part time for me, is more than what many make full time - yet by god you woud think he was having his asshole rented out for him by the airline cause they cut his pay to 210K. However, no Mike I dont give a fuck about anyone but me and those close to me. If I could find a way to legally get your last dollar I would do it, because thats one more in my pocket and one less in yours. Its called Business and a businesses sole function is to generate the maximum return for the stockholders. As I said elswhere about using the Mexican dayworkers to paint my house instead of a contractor, the money I saved bought me a Waverunner. Whether the painting contractors kids eat or not doesnt matter to me, I got my painting done and a waverunner too! Me Me Me Mine Mine Mine Gimme Gimme Gimme.... [:D] DA you may be a crackerjack pilot and be able to fly tru the air with the greatest of ease...but let me ask you something ...you ever hear of synergy

DomAviator -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/11/2008 11:47:14 PM)
Yes mike I have I studied it at length when I got my MBA... It is a key reason for undertaking a merger or acquisition - either synergies of cost or revenue. If the strong swallows the weak, it will be able to reduce its own costs while increasing its own revenues. Merge / Acquire the other entity and then utilize what benefits you and discard what doesnt.... A variation of survial of the fittest. Kind of exactly in tune with what Im saying... [:D] Any other use of the term implies a willingmess to settle or to come in second place. Neither is an option for me.... There are no runners up, thats a term coined to ease the pain of losing....

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 12:20:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator Yes mike I have I studied it at length when I got my MBA... It is a key reason for undertaking a merger or acquisition - either synergies of cost or revenue. If the strong swallows the weak, it will be able to reduce its own costs while increasing its own revenues. Merge / Acquire the other entity and then utilize what benefits you and discard what doesnt.... A variation of survial of the fittest. Kind of exactly in tune with what Im saying... [:D] Any other use of the term implies a willingmess to settle or to come in second place. Neither is an option for me.... There are no runners up, thats a term coined to ease the pain of losing.... Your a prince DA ,no need to work so hard to prove it

Hanable -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 12:42:15 AM)
ok.. u wanna bitch at me for writing txt in cyber land go right ahead, but dont u dare think im stupid enought to write like this on a job app.. jesus christ (no offence) what the hell do u think i am? 4? see this is the problem with ppl.. u dont care what u do to other u just wnna pick and complain and bitch cuz u can.. u wanna make urself feel better cuz i write u instead of you on a online forum? go right ahead.. i wont lose any sleep over that.. ur jsut bitchy people who have nothing better to do then pick apart someones posting.. god.. grow up. u have any other.. sugestions about my posting.. mail me onthe other side plzz.. i could use the thought provoking mail. H >:)

StrictWhip -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 4:02:05 AM)
One of the things I have noticed for some time now, is that it is virtually impossible to discuss the issues without it becoming a partisan battle. The original OP repeated something Phil Gramm said that he had taken offense to. The very first response outta da gate, was an insistence that Obama was just as bad, if not worse, than McCain, although the original comment had been made about Gramm, not McCain. From there, the people who lean to the right politically agreed (exclusively) with Gramm's statement, the people on the left disagreed (exclusively). My take on this is that the situation is shades of gray, and is not black and white. It was the same thing with the role of welfare in our society. Once the talking point had been made about welfare mom's driving cadillacs, the discussion that took place made the assumption that we are a nation of millions and millions of cadillac driving welfare mom's. While there may be instances (a small percentage) of people on the welfare roles that take advantage of and abused the system, there were many, many more children in the system who cannot fend for themselves and whose mother's, for a myriad of reasons, cannot adequately provide for them. But those children became casualties of the partisan war of words as each side refused to allow any understanding of the other's side viewpoint. The truth generally lies somewhere in the middle of the opinions expressed from each side. Are there whiners in the country? Sure there are. Do we have high expectations in this country of a lifestyle that once was the envy of the world? Damn right we do! Are there hard-working, patriotic, people caught up in the steady deterioration of the middle class lifestyle, who are hurting through no fault of their own, who steadily have to lower their expectations for themselves and for their children and grandchildren as a result of a mounting national debt brought about by the poor decisions of the leaders of this country? Unfortunately, this is not an imaginary circumstance. This is for real, and for those of you who have done well for yourselves in spite of all of this....congratulations. But I will say, it is very unflattering to you that you look down your long noses at those who have not experienced the same good fortune as you. It is a fairytale to think that every citizen of this country could do what you have been able to do and everyone come out on top. There is only so much room at the top, and you should be thanking your lucky stars that you have made that place yours. If everyone could crowd at the top, ....the top wouldn't be so attractive....now would it.

subtex -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 5:55:57 AM)
The good news is manufacturing is not likely going to continue to die out. The dollar has dropped so much that outsourcing doesn't make as much economic sense as it used to. Add to that the increased shipping cost due to the rise in oil prices especially if Asia is being considered. Of course part of the rise in oil prices is also due to the falling dollar. The bad news of course is that with the falling dollar it means that you are becoming the cheap labor. Maybe someday we'll be leaning Hindi and doing a bad job helping people in Bangalore install Vista.

StrictWhip -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 6:59:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subtex The good news is manufacturing is not likely going to continue to die out. The dollar has dropped so much that outsourcing doesn't make as much economic sense as it used to. Add to that the increased shipping cost due to the rise in oil prices especially if Asia is being considered. Of course part of the rise in oil prices is also due to the falling dollar. The bad news of course is that with the falling dollar it means that you are becoming the cheap labor. Maybe someday we'll be leaning Hindi and doing a bad job helping people in Bangalore install Vista. Now THAT was funny.

NeedingMore220 -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 9:36:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hanable ok.. u wanna bitch at me for writing txt in cyber land go right ahead, but dont u dare think im stupid enought to write like this on a job app.. jesus christ (no offence) what the hell do u think i am? 4? see this is the problem with ppl.. u dont care what u do to other u just wnna pick and complain and bitch cuz u can.. u wanna make urself feel better cuz i write u instead of you on a online forum? go right ahead.. i wont lose any sleep over that.. ur jsut bitchy people who have nothing better to do then pick apart someones posting.. god.. grow up. u have any other.. sugestions about my posting.. mail me onthe other side plzz.. i could use the thought provoking mail. H >:) lol. I certainly wasn't bitching. How am I supposed to know how you present yourself to the world other than how you are presenting here? I don't think it's a huge leap of logic. I wasn't picking or complaining, merely trying to point out something that may help. If, when offline, you come across as intelligent and well-schooled and an exemplary job applicant, then perhaps your inability to find employment is based on the availabillity of jobs in your area or in the field you are seeking in. I wish you luck finding one.

Aynne -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 9:46:22 AM)
DA, You are exactly why I have never and will never vote for a fucking republican in my entire life. That post is sickening and if you believe in karma you better sleep with one eye open for the rest of youor life. Oh and Britt? She'll be be the next sex scandal teacher covered on Fox News with all the salacious details. For fucks sake DA get some empathy would you? quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u DA did You really feel the need to jump right in and prove that You don't care about anyone else as long as Your good...as suggessted in an earlier post by Owner No Mike, I didnt although to be blunt NO I DONT. Nobody is gonna pay my bills but me, and nobody is gonna indulge my bad habits and fund my lifestyle but me... My point was, and is, that people are indeed "whiny bitches" If some poor bastard is cut down to $210 K a year while working 76 hours a month, well awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor boy! Must be tough to live on 200 K working half-time. Yet they still complain and complain heartily. What this guy makes working part time for me, is more than what many make full time - yet by god you woud think he was having his asshole rented out for him by the airline cause they cut his pay to 210K. However, no Mike I dont give a fuck about anyone but me and those close to me. If I could find a way to legally get your last dollar I would do it, because thats one more in my pocket and one less in yours. Its called Business and a businesses sole function is to generate the maximum return for the stockholders. As I said elswhere about using the Mexican dayworkers to paint my house instead of a contractor, the money I saved bought me a Waverunner. Whether the painting contractors kids eat or not doesnt matter to me, I got my painting done and a waverunner too! Me Me Me Mine Mine Mine Gimme Gimme Gimme.... [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 11:12:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne DA, You are exactly why I have never and will never vote for a fucking republican in my entire life. That post is sickening and if you believe in karma you better sleep with one eye open for the rest of youor life. Oh and Britt? She'll be be the next sex scandal teacher covered on Fox News with all the salacious details. For fucks sake DA get some empathy would you? quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u DA did You really feel the need to jump right in and prove that You don't care about anyone else as long as Your good...as suggessted in an earlier post by Owner No Mike, I didnt although to be blunt NO I DONT. Nobody is gonna pay my bills but me, and nobody is gonna indulge my bad habits and fund my lifestyle but me... My point was, and is, that people are indeed "whiny bitches" If some poor bastard is cut down to $210 K a year while working 76 hours a month, well awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor boy! Must be tough to live on 200 K working half-time. Yet they still complain and complain heartily. What this guy makes working part time for me, is more than what many make full time - yet by god you woud think he was having his asshole rented out for him by the airline cause they cut his pay to 210K. However, no Mike I dont give a fuck about anyone but me and those close to me. If I could find a way to legally get your last dollar I would do it, because thats one more in my pocket and one less in yours. Its called Business and a businesses sole function is to generate the maximum return for the stockholders. As I said elswhere about using the Mexican dayworkers to paint my house instead of a contractor, the money I saved bought me a Waverunner. Whether the painting contractors kids eat or not doesnt matter to me, I got my painting done and a waverunner too! Me Me Me Mine Mine Mine Gimme Gimme Gimme.... [:D] Aynne beautiful post but like most pointed in this direction,ultimately a waste of time

Aynne -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 12:23:30 PM)
Hi Mike, Oh I know darling. I just want to shake him. It is so typical of the attitude of the " I have mine , fuck you " entitled neocons. Makes me nuts. I am not going to dwell tho it is a gorgeous day and I am going out to the North American Blue Fest in about two hours, yay! It is the biggest blues fest in the country, and a gorgeous backdrop of the Atlantic Ocean and 85 degrees? Hell yes, bring on the ice cold brews and the tunes, I am not thinking about DA anymore [:-] quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne DA, You are exactly why I have never and will never vote for a fucking republican in my entire life. That post is sickening and if you believe in karma you better sleep with one eye open for the rest of youor life. Oh and Britt? She'll be be the next sex scandal teacher covered on Fox News with all the salacious details. For fucks sake DA get some empathy would you? quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u DA did You really feel the need to jump right in and prove that You don't care about anyone else as long as Your good...as suggessted in an earlier post by Owner No Mike, I didnt although to be blunt NO I DONT. Nobody is gonna pay my bills but me, and nobody is gonna indulge my bad habits and fund my lifestyle but me... My point was, and is, that people are indeed "whiny bitches" If some poor bastard is cut down to $210 K a year while working 76 hours a month, well awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor boy! Must be tough to live on 200 K working half-time. Yet they still complain and complain heartily. What this guy makes working part time for me, is more than what many make full time - yet by god you woud think he was having his asshole rented out for him by the airline cause they cut his pay to 210K. However, no Mike I dont give a fuck about anyone but me and those close to me. If I could find a way to legally get your last dollar I would do it, because thats one more in my pocket and one less in yours. Its called Business and a businesses sole function is to generate the maximum return for the stockholders. As I said elswhere about using the Mexican dayworkers to paint my house instead of a contractor, the money I saved bought me a Waverunner. Whether the painting contractors kids eat or not doesnt matter to me, I got my painting done and a waverunner too! Me Me Me Mine Mine Mine Gimme Gimme Gimme.... [:D] Aynne beautiful post but like most pointed in this direction,ultimately a waste of time

DomAviator -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 12:31:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne Oh I know darling. I just want to shake him. It is so typical of the attitude of the " I have mine , fuck you " entitled neocons. Makes me nuts. ..... I am not thinking about DA anymore [:-] Sorrry to disappoint but I laughed at it and said, "Wow what lit her tampon string". I especially got a kick out of the Oh and Britt? She'll be be the next sex scandal teacher covered on Fox News with all the salacious details. comment. That really showed some jealousy there, but is pretty unlikely cause shes not much for children - she likes 3 months of paid vacation. Gives more time enjoy all those republican toys... LOL Sorry your plan to "shake me" didnt work but thats pretty hard to do...

Thadius -> RE: McCain Economic Advisor Phil Gramm says We are a nation of whiners ... (7/12/2008 12:31:55 PM)
That attitude goes well beyond the ranks of "neocons". There are just as many on both sides of the political spectrum.

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