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Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 2:12:59 AM   
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Not that I mind older doms; I'm 19 and my current one is 41.  Something sexy about that imbalance, in fact.  But I'm still scratching my head.  This is the time we should have more people entering the community than ever.

My generation was the first to have access to the internet when we hit puberty, hence an availability of pornography.  Now, I'm not saying that looking at this sort of porn will turn you into a dom or a sub, but it will certainly make you aware of your own desires, and probably stoke them so you're more likely to pursue them.  I can say for sure that I wouldn't be in the lifestyle if it wasn't for collarme.  Moreover, I'd expect an influx of young people hitting puberty, wondering WTF is going on with their sexuality, and joining forums like this one for advice; lord knows the gay forums are full of teenagers coming to grips with their sexuality.

So why isn't it happening here?
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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 2:26:12 AM   
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Not sure if we are allowed to talk about people going through puberty (ie: under 18) you might want to edit your post a little? But hey, not sure.

And..... I find young people frequently. Maybe some less at munches because it just takes some time to feel comfortable enough in your own skin to meet people who are like minded, but strangers. As you get older it can get easier to have a "meh, take it or leave it" attitude.


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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 3:09:49 AM   
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It's not talked about here because under-18s aren't allowed under the TOS. That said, there are plenty of other places where young people like us can find things that intrigue them, be it in the abstract ("Hm, really..? Cool.") or as specifically applied to them ("I didn't know *that* really existed; I thought I was the only person who thought about _______."). My road into this is probably more peculiar than some, as I was introduced to the existance of BDSM via reading fanfiction, and slowly came to realize that it interested me so much because it appeals to me on a deep level.

Also, something to think about is that youngsters are being more and more sheltered (I've heard of *college students* being shocked by the fact that deaths happened in certain things..I don't remember the specifics, sorry), so they're much less likely to be self-aware at a young age. *shrug*

Just a couple cents thrown into the pot... ;D

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 3:14:59 AM   
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Im here, and 22

Im still young :)


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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 5:53:39 AM   
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 I'm also pretty young. As to where all the other young ladies are, they're where they typically are: not on dating sites. Like with even vanilla sites, it tends to be easier for younger people to meet folks in real-life, so they turn less and less to internet websites than older folks might. Plus, for some people, it takes them a while to realize that they're actually kinky all the way through, not that they just like a few bedroom games now and again. Like any other fine taste in life, it takes time to develop. Most young people haven't achieved much level of sexual sophistication....they're still just happy to be having sex, never mind getting into wild, kinky sex.

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 5:56:31 AM   
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Younger people, much like older people, get told "shut up" or "you can't possibly know anything" or "you just are too X" constantly in the BDSM world.... I've seen it over and over and over again.

When that happens often enough, folks withdraw or found their own communities.

Then everyone will lose because we have less experiences to share and less knowledge to circulate.

Age does not equal knowledge or desire and it may or may not reflect experience in BDSM.

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 7:52:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gorgias

My generation was the first to have access to the internet when we hit puberty, hence an availability of pornography.  Now, I'm not saying that looking at this sort of porn will turn you into a dom or a sub, but it will certainly make you aware of your own desires, and probably stoke them so you're more likely to pursue them.  I can say for sure that I wouldn't be in the lifestyle if it wasn't for collarme.  Moreover, I'd expect an influx of young people hitting puberty, wondering WTF is going on with their sexuality, and joining forums like this one for advice; lord knows the gay forums are full of teenagers coming to grips with their sexuality.

So why isn't it happening here?



though I think people are more in touch with their desires, I don't think that bdsm is a known outlet. when I was younger and looking at porn, bdsm always cameup as very, very strange. it was always females doming men, which was an immediate turnoff, or it was balls to the wall full latex pony girls suspended from the ceiling. there wasn't an easy route into bdsm through pornography.


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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 8:03:27 AM   
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Alpha and I are pretty young too, and we don't go to munches or anything (too young for the local group) but we do like meeting people one-on-one (or two at a time) for dinners and such.

I found bdsm through pornography in my early years as well, though I learned of it through literotica.com's stories about it. Then I went on a search for more. Only recently did we dive in headfirst.

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 8:18:30 AM   
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Younger people, much like older people, get told "shut up" or "you can't possibly know anything" or "you just are too X" constantly in the BDSM world.... I've seen it over and over and over again.


And that's why I am here to make fun of those people.

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 8:57:04 AM   
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And that's why I am here to make fun of those people.


i thought you were here to steal our carrots?



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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 9:11:10 AM   
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looking at this sort of porn will turn you into a dom or a sub, but it will certainly make you aware of your own desires, and probably stoke them so you're more likely to pursue them.  I can say for sure that I wouldn't be in the lifestyle if it wasn't for collarme.


Collarme has nothing to do with you being in the lifestyle; your mind would be in it with or without collarme; witness your own argument that every other generation on the planet grew up without collarme, and, uh ... well ... they're into the lifestyle ... aren't they?

That statement that porn-causes-things is absoloutely idiotic in my opinion, by the way. It's like the one that argues guns-kill-people. It's like saying the devil made me do it, as if you have no choice or free will on the matter. It's a lesson in cause and effect. Porn is the effect, not the cause.

Likewise, collarme is the effect ... not the cause.

As for the AGE of the participants, I'd wager that the main reasons have been stated ... i.e., the under-18 crowd is deprecated ... plus the fact that it takes TIME to sort our your sensuality. That time could be five, ten, or twenty years from today for you.

Good luck!
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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 9:13:56 AM   
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BTW, if you're looking for the cause, I'd wager our God-given hormones are the cause. That, and social interactivity imprinting at an impressionable age; hormones being something like 98% and the imprinting merely tempering the overall direction (gay, crossdresser, dike, kinky, 'nilla, frigid, etc.)

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 9:16:54 AM   
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quote:

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looking at this sort of porn will turn you into a dom or a sub, but it will certainly make you aware of your own desires, and probably stoke them so you're more likely to pursue them.  I can say for sure that I wouldn't be in the lifestyle if it wasn't for collarme.


Collarme has nothing to do with you being in the lifestyle; your mind would be in it with or without collarme; witness your own argument that every other generation on the planet grew up without collarme, and, uh ... well ... they're into the lifestyle ... aren't they?

That statement that porn-causes-things is absoloutely idiotic in my opinion, by the way. It's like the one that argues guns-kill-people. It's like saying the devil made me do it, as if you have no choice or free will on the matter. It's a lesson in cause and effect. Porn is the effect, not the cause.

Likewise, collarme is the effect ... not the cause.

As for the AGE of the participants, I'd wager that the main reasons have been stated ... i.e., the under-18 crowd is deprecated ... plus the fact that it takes TIME to sort our your sensuality. That time could be five, ten, or twenty years from today for you.

Good luck!
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Not saying that the porn is a causitive agent, but I might not have discovered that whips and ropes are fun if it wasn't for pornography.  Again, obviously lots of people discover it on their own, but I would imagine that porn wouldn't hurt for people discovering it.

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 11:42:20 AM   
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19 here. I guess BDSM is a specific type of relationship that people want. It takes most people a long time to figure out what type of relationship they want, so I count myself lucky that I realised what I want early on.

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 1:22:23 PM   
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There is a group for 18-35 year olds.  Its called The Next Generation, or TNG, usually.  It's a social group for younger kinksters, so they CAN learn and discuss about BDSM without the usual BS of 'You're too young to be a Top/Dom/Domme/bottom/sub/slave/etc.!'.  In fact, there's a group RIGHT by you, Gorgias!  http://www.freewebs.com/nmtng/index.htm  Enjoy!

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 1:24:21 PM   
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I'm guessing that younger people are involved in social communities and networks that cater specifically to their age groups?

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 1:51:37 PM   
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Hummm, maybe it's cause they dont want to run into their parents here!  snicker...........  

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 2:01:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Daddystouch

19 here. I guess BDSM is a specific type of relationship that people want. It takes most people a long time to figure out what type of relationship they want, so I count myself lucky that I realised what I want early on.


Indeed; you nicely expounded on my observation that younger folks like us aren't as likely to be self-aware.

Another point I realized should be brought up after reading what you said is that it *is* a journey; I started reading about semi-explicit sex around ten or so (rote paperback romances = crack to preteens, IMO xD), and for the next few years that was about the extent of it; such reading was Terribly Naughty and hush-hush to my young mind. I started reading alternate lifestyle (gay) fanfiction around 14; I'd place my first encounter with light kink sometime over the year after that. Heavy kink and stuff actually labeled as BDSM or D/s (or M/s) was 16-18 age range. Actual slavefic, as well as original BDSM writing (both the reading and writing of), has been 18-present. Realization that it appealed to me *because* it spoke deeply to me came earlier this year. Maybe I just started the journey earlier than most. *shrug* (That said, I hope I didn't just grossly violate TOS by explaining this...)

Relatedly, just how many people, of any age range, are going to look at the average representation of BDSM (porn, literotica) and think "That's so me"? Most likely, to the average person, it will be so far off their perception of the norm as to make them back off, or even label it as sick, wrong, and/or abusive. I know that if I had come across some of the fictions that I think of as "tame" now when I was younger, I wouldn't've read them. Or if I had, I would've clicked away and not delved into it again for quite some time. (Or wouldn't have considered them "tame" at all! ;D) Everyone has triggers, and coming on strong vs. their perceptions is definitely one of them, for many. So if they brush against it when young, a person might think, "Woah, does anyone actually DO that? Scary!" and then steadfastly ignore it. But after x amount of actual life experience, they might look at the same thing, and be thinking, "Now that's interesting..."

A lot of people on these boards have said that it takes self-knowledge to live this life; to outsiders, this may seem hard or impossible, or perhaps just be a scary level of said awareness. The fact that it also takes strength on both sides of the coin, whether Dom, sub, slave, or a freaking pet starfish (...ew. I should delete that part...) may also be a factor because they'll look and say "I'm not that strong." (Alternately, the generic bullshit call that submitting doesn't take strength.)

Those of us that are already aware of what we want despite being young are, I guess you could say, incredibly lucky. :)

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 2:15:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Daddystouch

19 here. I guess BDSM is a specific type of relationship that people want. It takes most people a long time to figure out what type of relationship they want, so I count myself lucky that I realised what I want early on.


Indeed; you nicely expounded on my observation that younger folks like us aren't as likely to be self-aware.

Another point I realized should be brought up after reading what you said is that it *is* a journey; I started reading about semi-explicit sex around ten or so (rote paperback romances = crack to preteens, IMO xD), and for the next few years that was about the extent of it; such reading was Terribly Naughty and hush-hush to my young mind. I started reading alternate lifestyle (gay) fanfiction around 14; I'd place my first encounter with light kink sometime over the year after that. Heavy kink and stuff actually labeled as BDSM or D/s (or M/s) was 16-18 age range. Actual slavefic, as well as original BDSM writing (both the reading and writing of), has been 18-present. Realization that it appealed to me *because* it spoke deeply to me came earlier this year. Maybe I just started the journey earlier than most. *shrug* (That said, I hope I didn't just grossly violate TOS by explaining this...)

Relatedly, just how many people, of any age range, are going to look at the average representation of BDSM (porn, literotica) and think "That's so me"? Most likely, to the average person, it will be so far off their perception of the norm as to make them back off, or even label it as sick, wrong, and/or abusive. I know that if I had come across some of the fictions that I think of as "tame" now when I was younger, I wouldn't've read them. Or if I had, I would've clicked away and not delved into it again for quite some time. (Or wouldn't have considered them "tame" at all! ;D) Everyone has triggers, and coming on strong vs. their perceptions is definitely one of them, for many. So if they brush against it when young, a person might think, "Woah, does anyone actually DO that? Scary!" and then steadfastly ignore it. But after x amount of actual life experience, they might look at the same thing, and be thinking, "Now that's interesting..."

A lot of people on these boards have said that it takes self-knowledge to live this life; to outsiders, this may seem hard or impossible, or perhaps just be a scary level of said awareness. The fact that it also takes strength on both sides of the coin, whether Dom, sub, slave, or a freaking pet starfish (...ew. I should delete that part...) may also be a factor because they'll look and say "I'm not that strong." (Alternately, the generic bullshit call that submitting doesn't take strength.)

Those of us that are already aware of what we want despite being young are, I guess you could say, incredibly lucky. :)


You make great points.  I think the most overlooked thing by many kinky people is that even those of us that "grew up kinky" probably early on found that many adult acts of consensual BDSM were weird, too crazy, or disgusting.  That exploration is an evolution, so you can't say a woman, for example, can "never be a femdom" if she wrinkles her nose at the BDSM porn you so gently push her way to read.  I have to remind submissive men that I was tying up boys as soon as I was old enough to date, but I wrinkled my nose at that stuff too.  Let's face it, a great deal of it is GROSS!

There is something to be said for the tame, slow, "boring" evolution of bdsm desires in youth concurrent with normal sexual activity.  When I was in my early 20s and the Internet was new and I found little kinky communities only, mostly men in their 30s and 40s, I was highly grossed out (to use the term of the time) by their come ons and overt sexuality and very stereotypical view of "dominatrix" style domination.  At 21 I would have been entirely GROSSED OUT to know what 30something Akasha engaged in regularly, let alone what almost-40 Akasha finds hot.  But I never would have gotten to THIS point if I had been presented female domination as a "take it or leave it" lifestyle complete with dildos, strapons, vibrating butt plugs, head harnesses and milking machines.  In fact, I was happy to say "I just like to tie guys up, you keep that kinky stuff to yourself" because at that age, let's face it, my experience with assholes (of the anatomy type, not personality type), ejaculate, and other advanced forms of sexuality were still limited because I was still growing.

There's nothing wrong with light bondage, roleplay, cuddling and communication as the foundation for what may later evolve into full blown kinky sex.  My guess is that many 19-21 year olds are peeking over here and going, "Eww gross" and going back to their own level of experimentation, only to return here in 10 years with a more open mind.

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RE: Where are all the young people at? - 7/12/2008 2:39:17 PM   
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I'm 21 and go to a local munch everyone month. I'm the youngest person there. I've been inviting younger people to come though. Why not take some action to get the younger crowd out?  The local club here in Nashville is 19 and up, and for a while they were talking about making it into 18 and up..not quite sure whats going on with that. Also, a younger crowd mostly likes to get out and have fun/drink/dance/ect. I figure if I can get enough people interested it would be nothing for a group of us to go to a dance club once a month or meet every couple of months.  You also have to take into fact that 18 - early 20's are in college and having a ball with their friends, as to where the older crowd is more calm and relaxed. Also, it might be hard for some younger people to get along with an older group. Different places in life, ect.  I tend to do quite well being I dont act like I know it all and luckly neither does anyone at the munch I go to. 

Why not start messaging younger people around your area, so you can start a younger munch?

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