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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 11:35:10 AM   
CorsetMinx


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Status: offline 		Wow - DesFIP,
Talk about knee jerk response. Your sarcasm in defending him in a situation you know nothing about is hardly productive to discussion or healing. I did not say he was a demon from hell or the worst person in the world, but in this situation, this specific past relationship, misrepresented himself and did things that were unusually cruel and irresponsible for an experienced Dom with a total newbie. Things in my own continued learning of bdsm and him are only now truly becoming clear to me and I'm trying to deal with it so I can move forward and past it.

I'd hardly call hitting him on one occasion, under one set of circumstances (which again, you know nothing of) and stopping of my own volition going "ballistic". And I believe I've stated that I've no wish to resort to violence again. I was venting frustration and anger in my post, most of which has passed with the moment last night. My discussing and communicating my issues with others is hardly "boasting". I believe my being here and being honest when I knew full well that it would provoke flames, proves that I take full "responsibility" for my actions. And case in point, I own two small furry loved ones that absolutely do make my life a joy and provide a wonderful amount of comfort when life as it so often does, disappoints.

I'm sorry to have to write this. I asked for responses and feedback, but that doesn't make me a doormat for sitting idly by as others attack me for my honesty and seeking community.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

How dare he decide he doesn't want to be with you anymore and not be willing to give you another chance? He didn't just disappear, stop answering your calls. He told you in person that it wasn't working for him.

And you went ballistic. You tried to damage and injure him. And two months later you want to do it again.

I have no idea what his problems are, but you've boasted about yours. Get help for your own problems. Take responsibility for your share of the failure of the relationship. Get therapy. Get anger management. But I wouldn't recommend a small and defenseless animal because you're too close to losing it to be trusted with one.


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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 11:49:16 AM   
CorsetMinx


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Status: offline 		You are right about the hate vs anger. Legitimate anger and pain over the situation/broken relationship is simply something I think time will heal. It's the hate that does need to be dealt with. Love and hate are two edges to the same knife, one so easily turning into the other, and even having both towards the same person at the same time. It is that hate, stemming from my injured and humiliated ego, that I need to let go of. Thank you for making that point of distinction.

And yes, we redheads certainly are wild, enigmatic creatures! I love who I am and wouldn't change my journey for anything. I guess I just have to find the Dom (later of course when I'm ready) who needs and appreciates that kind passion in his life.


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ORIGINAL: restlessdreamer
Two, hate keeps you committed. Even when you're finally ready to move on, hate will bring back to square one everytime. If there is but one thing you 'let go' from this experience - let it be hate. (Not to be confused with anger)

(Redheads are such wild, physically emotional, treacherous and beautiful creatures, we are. - Grin - Well worth the effort!)



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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 12:21:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CorsetMinx
I asked for responses and feedback...


And that is precisely what you received.  Whenever you ask for responses and feedback, you may like all of it, none of it or some of it.  If what you wanted was "responses and feedback that supported and encouraged me" then that is what should have been stated in the OP.  Remember, you vented, and that's understandable, but you vented to a vast, unknown public, most of whom do not know you and can only interpret your written words to the best of their ability.

Not that Celeste can't speak for herself here but I wanted to add my own two cents. 

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 12:45:45 PM   
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I'd hardly call hitting him on one occasion, under one set of circumstances (which again, you know nothing of) and stopping of my own volition going "ballistic".


You hit someone in anger...there is no excuse for that period.  That isn't the same as saying you are a monster who should be locked up but it is deeply wrong.

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And I believe I've stated that I've no wish to resort to violence again.


So says every man who has ever beat a woman...

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 I believe my being here and being honest when I knew full well that it would provoke flames, proves that I take full "responsibility" for my actions.


Nobody has flamed you but they did call you on your own shit.  We are not here to make you feel better, most of us post here because people call us on our shit and are insightful enough to see past the lies we tell ourselves.  You chose to allow this man into your life and at least chose to become emotionally attached to him.  We are addressing YOUR actions, not his but nobody has flamed you but it is true that the truth is often painful.

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 1:10:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CorsetMinx
in this situation, this specific past relationship, misrepresented himself and did things that were unusually cruel and irresponsible for an experienced Dom with a total newbie. Things in my own continued learning of bdsm and him are only now truly becoming clear to me and I'm trying to deal with it so I can move forward and past it.


If he had not broken off the relationship with you and you were still together, would you still view what he did as cruel and irresponsible?  Or do you only perceive things this way now because he hurt you and you are angry?

If he was cruel and irresponsible while in the relationship with why were you so pissed that he left you.. pissed to the point of physical violence towards him?

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 1:54:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		CorsetMinx, do you recognize that the submissive women are being "harder" on you than the dominant men?  Also, if I'm not mistaken, almost all the sub women who have posted are currently in relationships.  I would be you a thousand dollars that each of them has been in situations where they would have LOVED to haul off and whale on some guy.

There's no easy, cuddly-wuddly answer here.  You have to do the hard work and DEAL.  Your hair color is no excuse.  Unless your short skirt is an excuse for me to let my own manly-man emotions take over and not be responsible for my own actions.  Do you really want to go there?


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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 3:12:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		oh yeah   -   i would so loved to have beaten my ex - i didn't because i was taught that taking the low road is immature, and because i had minors with him, and in my mind, i needed a semi-civil relationship  with him.  i'm not sure i could actually hit someone. I did however fantasy about shooting him, paying someone to kill him - did i mention killing him?

i didn't though.  I'm not proud that i didn't - but there is a certain satisfaction in not letting him so obviously "get" to me.

It took me 10 years to get past this relationship, and 3 years of therapy, learning why i allowed him to treat me as he did - and why i did what i did.   and it was worth every hour of every day and every tear and every red cent to get to where i am now.   i am the person i am because of what  i learned on the way here. so in the long run, your pain is well worth it.   

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 3:37:21 PM   
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Once, just once, I would like to NOT take the frelling high road! 

But then Juliet would yell at me, and she would be right.... 


lol.. Oh Francine, I would LOVE to have not taken the high road - just once!! But know what? All this talk about what damage might or might not occur because it's a woman hitting a man...is moot. The bottom line is that it's abuse, it's a loss of control and it's illegal. What's worse is that there is this huge stigma attached to a man getting hit by a woman and the presumptions it makes about his manhood, and so he is just as powerless in these situations as women are when they are abused. Except that should he actually report it - as he SHOULD, he will somehow be considered less a man. In actuality, a woman who has to resort to this (and in effect is kind of given permission cause "what could a woman actually do to a man:) is just as out of control as a man who does it to a woman.

But yes, the low road used to be VERY tempting!! But in the end, for me, someone had to have half a brain.

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 3:40:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

How dare he decide he doesn't want to be with you anymore and not be willing to give you another chance? He didn't just disappear, stop answering your calls. He told you in person that it wasn't working for him.

And you went ballistic. You tried to damage and injure him. And two months later you want to do it again.

I have no idea what his problems are, but you've boasted about yours. Get help for your own problems. Take responsibility for your share of the failure of the relationship. Get therapy. Get anger management. But I wouldn't recommend a small and defenseless animal because you're too close to losing it to be trusted with one.


Thanks for saying what I was thinking but ran out of time to comment on this morning. The woman beat a grown man because whatever his "sins" were, he dared to tell her face to face. What the heck is she going to do to a little puppy who happens to pee somewhere he shouldn't?!

juliet

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 3:45:00 PM   
CorsetMinx


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Status: offline 		Well, I thank everyone who responded constructively to the actual questions I asked initially and in the spirit of this thread "Moving past anger and heartbreaks". I've had so many great private emails from people who've shared their own stories with me along with their suggestions for moving forward. No, not all of them have been warm and fuzzy, but all of them were constructive and given with a generous and helpful spirit, without judgment or rudeness.

That is my focus, growing & moving forward, and on that note I think I'll leave this thread I opened that has descended into focusing around the discussion of the hitting issue and people feeling the need to judge rather than talk constructively. I know who I am, where I'm at in my life and that I don't need to justify myself to anyone, nor qualify every word that comes out of my mouth or typed with my hands. I am an optimist and believer who seeks peace and balance above all, and I work at it every day. I'm not perfect, but I'm actively taking steps in my life to address the things I need to. And I know that good things can grow from difficult experiences as long as you keep yourself seeking them. If you still feel you have something constructive and helpful to share please feel free to email me, I'd sincerely love to hear from you. My thanks.

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 3:48:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

CorsetMinx, do you recognize that the submissive women are being "harder" on you than the dominant men?  Also, if I'm not mistaken, almost all the sub women who have posted are currently in relationships.  I would be you a thousand dollars that each of them has been in situations where they would have LOVED to haul off and whale on some guy.

There's no easy, cuddly-wuddly answer here.  You have to do the hard work and DEAL.  Your hair color is no excuse.  Unless your short skirt is an excuse for me to let my own manly-man emotions take over and not be responsible for my own actions.  Do you really want to go there?



RedMagic, desiring to do something that is wrong is a far cry from actually doing it. And my relationship status has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that what she did was wrong. Just as my marital status had nothing to do with the fact that he was wrong back then.

Hitting someone in anger - nonconsensually is wrong. Her profile states that she's come from a pretty dysfunctional background where communication was not encouraged. I understand that. But then, she held her actions up as something to be proud of because wow.... she actually "communicated" her anger this time. I don't happen to think any of that is something to be proud of. I think it's a red flag to her letting her know that she's now operating at the other end of the pendulum of that wall of silence she came from.

SURE, I'd have LOVED to do what she did. There were many times. The point is, that I COMMUNICATED how I felt without using my fists and she could have too. I guarantee you she wouldn't have done that if the person in question had had some authority over her. This means that what she did was a choice - even if she now chooses not to see it that way.

I hope she gets some help - both for her efforts at communicating as well as to deal with the history of silence in her life and the effect that has had on her. But there is absolutely no way, regardless of who is in my life or not, that I will ever think that she was justified in her actions. Period.

juliet

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 4:04:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		You committed a crime; assault and battery with the intention of causing grievious bodily harm. You are fortunate he didn't press charges.

It doesn't matter if he committed a crime first by stealing from you. It doesn't matter if he had wild monkey sex with your sister in your own bed. You did something so unacceptable that you could have gone to prison for it, and you don't even recognize your good fortune in not being there. Moreover you declare blatantly that you have no intention of getting immediate help so that such a thing doesn't ever happen again.

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 7:31:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recognized reality that applied to the situation. At the time I was focused on what she had said she would do, and that she was not following through. I soon realized that that did not matter--what mattered was that she had begun to feel differently. I have been is situations where how I felt about someone changed. It just happens. I cannot be angry at someone for simply not feeling as they once did. No one is obligated to like me--that they can't help but do so anyway is a different matter ;-)

I once read a poem in high school where the poet said something to the effect that if one can see how one might have contributed towards why a lover is acting as she is, it brings relief of knowing that the behavior is a reaction, and not for sake of rejection, which, in the end, is easier for the ego to accept.

I wrote a story based on the scenario. As I wrote the story, I spoke of how the characters felt. This writing was therapeutic in that it helped me vent my feelings. This writing brought insight. As I tried to write about how the woman in the story felt, it helped me see a broader picture and some of the reality and responsibility to which I refer in the two preceding paragraphs.

I realized that part of my hurt came because I was near having a relationship and experiences I had wanted for so long, and for having lost what seemed so hard to have found. This hurt propelled me to change my circumstances so as to not have a dearth of opportunities for such relationships. That new push led to a couple of good things which then made that year my breakaway year with respect to BDSM. So living my life and creating new opportunities helped me move past the one lost.

There was one other point but it now escapes me. I will probably remember it as I am driving somewhere tomorrow. But then I will forget it again by the time I get back to the computer. So I'll just leave it at that.

Cheers,

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/23/2008 7:39:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am glad you see that the violence was not good.

It is my goal to end relationships honorably. I should clarify that it is not my goal to end relationships, but that if one ends, it is my goal to behave honorably ;-)

By honorable behavior I mean that that one can hypothetically tell to a prospective partner one is courting and feel good that this behavior would reflect positively or better one's image in eyes of the prospective partner.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/24/2008 10:26:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CorsetMinx
I'd hardly call hitting him on one occasion, under one set of circumstances (which again, you know nothing of) and stopping of my own volition going "ballistic".


i would.  my first exhusband lost his temper and hit me, stopped of his own violition.  it doesnt matter WHY you did...it was just as damaging as if you had beat him senseless with a baseball bat.  my ex broke ribs, broke my wrist, left bruises on my ribs and thighs so they wouldnt show, broke me emotionally and finished what my father had started.  but he always stopped short of sending me to the hospital...since he worked there.

your damage wasnt as much to him as it has been to yourself.  ok, you only lost your temper once...but its still hurting *you*.  you know you did wrong, and you want to move past it.  all good.  you dont like what you've been told, that you need to let go of the stuff about *him*....and work on you.

well, that's just it.  you *can*.  i cant get rid of my ex husband entirely because there's a 25 year old evil clone of mine, miss satan, and she connects us forever.  same thing with my boy's dad, although my relationship with him isnt as bad.

i used to have a terrible temper, you betcha.  threw things, threw the damned BBQ grill at wolf one time when we were fighting.  (deliberately missed him, no excuses for my behavior)  about 5 years ago something broke within me, and i stopped fighting him.  over anything.  funny, that's when our relationship started to be over, i just didnt have the intelligence to see it. 

you cant do anything about the behavior of others.  it just doesnt work like that.  you can, however, chose to do something about your own behavior.  anger eats at your soul. 

kitten, overtired.

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/24/2008 10:39:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CorsetMinx

I'd hardly call hitting him on one occasion, under one set of circumstances (which again, you know nothing of) and stopping of my own volition going "ballistic". And I believe I've stated that I've no wish to resort to violence again. I'm sorry to have to write this. I asked for responses and feedback, but that doesn't make me a doormat for sitting idly by as others attack me for my honesty and seeking community.



ANY time you lose your temper to the extent that you resort to hitting someone you ARE going ballistic. ANY TIME!

And not one person attacked you for your efforts at "honesty and seeking community." That would be a misdirection of intent on your part. You lost control of yourself and continuing on in that same vein, you attempt to call this an effort to seek community. Well, what you've accessed are some people who have a LOT of experience being on the receiving end of what you consider just a little thing. You've accessed a pretty significant "community" of people who have heard your excuse far too many times to count - most often used against them as an explanation of the behavior by people who have tried to point out that they too stopped "of their own volition." And here's the thing. If you could STOP of your own volition, you could have chosen not to START - of your own volition.

And not one of us is buying the excuse that you're not here to discuss the very thing you began your post with but instead want all sorts of nice friendly people patting you on the back, going "there there honey." Cause honey, we've been there there... and there's no way we're buying those tired rationalizations of behavior from anyone - even if the abuser is female.

juliet

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/24/2008 11:34:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know where the OP is coming from.  The last ex dom broke up with me and 3 weeks later, he was out dating another sub.  He was very honest with me, did not manipulate me, and we just had bad communication as well as each of us wanting to go in different directions. 

I have never hit him or the sub (which out of jealousy, I felt like I wanted to take her head and kick it in the parking lot at that time - lol).  One of the most emotional, somewhat embarrassing things I did was go into a public restaurant and confronted them. 

I was screaming and hollering at him and then took my anger out at her because she was married at the time and living with her husband, yet dating my ex.  I think I must have called her every name in the book to tell her exactly what I thought about her.  Needless to say, she started crying.  For me, that felt like a small victory short of turning around and disregarding that I was at a place of public establishment but I did not care.  They were my targets and part of me felt good of getting my feelings out there.  He asked me to apologize and I did say that I was sorry.  Later on that evening, I called him repeatedly so he can get on the phone and told him I was not serious about my apology earlier in the evening and for them to have a good night while their conscience was still hurting.  I guess that was my way to let them know that I was still present in the hope of making her uneasy, which I succeeded.

That was four years ago, they are married and happy.  I went to anger management because I was questioning myself about these outbursts and if I had the possibility of going a little further, which I know I would have to control my actions.  It could have been worse for my ex and his sub. 

I hope I have grown quite a bit from this incident and OP, there are times in which you just walk away, express your anger in healthier ways, do some boxing, get some exercise, write a poem to maybe make into a song (Alanis Morrissette was famous for doing that and I love that song!).  Believe or not, I am still friends with that dom and his wife.  It took a LOT of time and we all have forgiven ourselves for things we have said or done to each other.  Hitting someone is NOT acceptable no matter how angry you are at that person!!!

I also try to be very cautious in the future about having any contact with potential doms, with most of them not meeting me passed this site or IM because of what I want, and I will take my time.  Before, I used to want to quickly replace the ex-dom with another dom, which provided short-term release but this is not what I want today.
Take time and work on yourself. 


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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/24/2008 11:47:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CorsetMinx

What I do want to throw out there to all the other subs/slaves who have lived through betrayal, hypocrisy and abuse from a Dom, is this:

How did you move forward and let go of the pain, the confusion, the anger?

And how did you get over still feeling emotionally attached/in love with the person who hurt you?

Finally, how long did it take you to trust a man/Dom again - or to trust yourself and your own judgement/intuition?


I had an almost exact anger experience a year and some months ago, over the same issue. Although, I knew him so very well I could tell exactly when he was being a liar and how he was being an hypocrit, even though he would still deny his mistakes and the truth behind it.

The anger is so overwhelming and impulsive... in reality you lose complete sanity for a short period of time, until you are no longer in the same room, breathing the same air. It almost feels like pulling you're hair may pull the bitter memories away. So, instead of pulling your hair, you scream, you kick, you punch... you do whatever it takes to release that insanity. A few months later, it's almost impossible to remember in detail what exactly did you say or how exactly did you move.

I try to remember what was my own reaction nowadays... I think I insulted him and probably tried to punch him in the stomach... I do remember I thought of slapping him... but I didn't dare, and controlled my hands.

How did you move forward and let go of the pain, the confusion, the anger?

Honestly, I haven't been able to remove the anger 100% yet. The memories are still there, hence the depth of the wounds and the fact that I still discover new things about him, accidentally, that reveal more betrayals. Only after being tested by a psychiatrist (which revealed I have severe depression as long as I live), and therapy I could ease the pain and the confusion.

And how did you get over still feeling emotionally attached/in love with the person who hurt you?

Again, only after therapy... and the always helpful mental excersise of remember horrible details in his personality and aspects that you didn't like in the first place.

Finally, how long did it take you to trust a man/Dom again - or to trust yourself and your own judgement/intuition?

I have always trust my judgment and intuition (sadly, that's how I know when I'm being lied to). But I haven't being able to restore my trust enough to look for a Dom again. Hence, I'm happy with my kinky vanilla boyfriend.

This is my own experience on the very same issue. As you can see, it takes more than just two months and lots of therapy, even if you feel you're moving on...

Right now you're in an emotional cycle. You can feel great today, but I assure you, the memories will be back and you might end up depressed. Get help, it's important.

Good luck.

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/24/2008 2:28:27 PM   
CruelDesires


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Status: offline 		Have any of you people who are having anger issues ever considered that most of your anger was misplaced and should have been directed at yourself? That as a defense mechanism, you may have directed that anger at another person because that type of inwards directed rage at ones self might have been totally self destructive? I think these thoughts because some of these responses have a few things in common. Especially where the person says "I ignored all the bad things about the person" and then looked back later and realized it after the fact. Have you continued to enter into the same type of relationship over and over? .Why be angry at the other person when they are doing what they consider normal  for them. Even if they lie, cheat and steal. That is who they are. Rather, be angry at your self for ignoring the red flags and ignoring the incompatibilities and do not allow yourself to do that again. And.. move on. CD

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RE: Moving past anger and heartbreaks - 7/24/2008 2:34:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Had your positions been reversed, how would you have felt about him assaulting YOU? Would you have pressed charges? Do you think he would have been justified in doing the same to you for yours?
 
 You use your anger as an excuse-that is a coward's way.
 
 And it speaks very poorly of your personal code of ethics.

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