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Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/23/2008 11:10:02 PM   
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I've always had a bit of a problem figuring out exactly how to go about searching for the right person. 

On the one hand, if I were in a LTR with a woman who had no interest in BDSM at all...it wouldn't work.

On the other hand, advertising on conventional dating sites and mentioning that kink is important, just gets you marked as a freak to be avoided.

On the third hand, it seems as though few women (and probably few men, but I seldom look at their ads) are looking for a well-rounded, committed relationship.  While I might well enjoy meeting a Lifestyle Dominant to play with, maybe even serve on an ongoing basis, what I am really looking for in the long run is a mate who happens to also be kinky.  I'm flexible on how much of a role it would play in our relationship, but it would be nice to find someone with whom I could also watch movies, sing along with the car stereo, go to Disneyland, and generally share life. 

So...is this something it's really feasible to search for?  Here, or anywhere?  Or is it just something you have to find by sheer luck?
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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/24/2008 2:27:58 AM   
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Many here are looking for 'it all'.  I would not be interested in anything less.  I want a relationship that includes, life, love and kink.  Finding someone here is just like finding someone anywhere.  You are just more likly to find someone with some kink here. lol  Searching can be the actual problem the way I see it.  If you want to quickly find the right one for you... that can be a problem.  If you are willing to get to know people and let the relationship find you, it tends to work best.  You never know what will appear before you when you least expect it!  lol... Have fun!

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/24/2008 3:15:19 AM   
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I think that Lockit put it very well.

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/24/2008 3:24:07 AM   
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Search for what you need. Me I never claimed to be searching for my “one” that always seemed narrow sighted to me. I was however, searching to meet locals who had the same interests as me and if we hit it off and more became of it of wonderful - if not no harm no foul because I wasn’t expecting more. The key though is to decide if your willing to settle for less and if your not simply don’t that may mean it’s a long and lonely journey but if your true to yourself it is worth it in my opinion.


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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/24/2008 4:00:29 AM   
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I think whatever one is looking for is going to be scarce until you come across it.

From my perspective, everyone is looking for "the one" and I am not.  That does not mean, however, that I am not looking for a committed relationship -- I am.  People define those relationships differently.

I suppose its best to make sure you know precisely what you want, it seems you do, and simply be clear about it.

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/24/2008 4:30:12 AM   
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I'm only looking for subs that don't go *poof*!  I have a husband and a family.  I don't want a one on one, all encompassing relationship.  I'm just looking for someone (or several someones) to fill in the gaps of what I am not getting from my current relationship.  No one is going to replace my husband.  Period.  My Westie does a great job of fulfilling my other needs.  But I still need a 'no strings' houseboy... or 2 or 6...

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 8:10:57 AM   
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A BDSM Personal site such as the one we’re on should be a help to finding that elusive quality yet kink relationship; after all, besides the pros most members profess they are here to meet people living the lifestyle, therefore the soil should be fertile. However, the hustler, like elsewhere, has long found this lifestyle and sees sites such as this as a target rich environment. But they, like sincere individuals, are everywhere thus discretion is a byword commonly exercised by the prudent whether here or the ATM. Personally I have been in three committed 24/7 D/s relationships with Mistresses, a Lawyer, Police Officer and Nurse. All were met in the course of daily routine such as career, vanilla social groups etc. My experience here, and on others sites, sadly has not been so productive. Thus, too answer your question, I’m going with fate….yet feasible or not the search is on.

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 8:15:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinnipedster


On the third hand, it seems as though few women (and probably few men, but I seldom look at their ads) are looking for a well-rounded, committed relationship.  While I might well enjoy meeting a Lifestyle Dominant to play with, maybe even serve on an ongoing basis, what I am really looking for in the long run is a mate who happens to also be kinky. 



You have three hands?

From my experience here, I agree with you. Very very few dommes here are single and searching for a LTR. A lot seem to be just looking for play. I'm in your same situation as far as that goes -- I'm not really even that interested in casual play if I know it's not going anywhere. 

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 9:13:13 AM   
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I think it depends, in our case, on what you call a "relationship". My companion and I have a wonderful relationship. I'm not romantic, though, and she really needs someone who can do those little romantic touches and take them in her direction. Over time, we definitely would develop a strong 'relationship' with any of our servants... for me, though, it wouldn't be romantic. Service and kink are sufficient for me. However (and this is a dealbreaker for many), even though this person would be a cherished part of our household, he wouldn't be a solo act. He'd have to be able to deal with having other servants around, and he might even have to deal with a servant who provided other services who ended up, over time, being 'alpha' to him. I don't know if we'll end up going back to that type model again, but we had it once, and frankly, it would work out great with as much intensity and as complex as our needs can be... of course, if you're looking for the "one and ONLY", that's not going to fly, right?

It is crucial, when looking, to know what you -must- have, what you -prefer- to have, and what you -would rather not- have, as well as what you simply -refuse to- have.

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 9:16:37 AM   
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I'm only looking for subs that don't go *poof*!  I have a husband and a family.  I don't want a one on one, all encompassing relationship.  I'm just looking for someone (or several someones) to fill in the gaps of what I am not getting from my current relationship.  No one is going to replace my husband.  Period.  My Westie does a great job of fulfilling my other needs.  But I still need a 'no strings' houseboy... or 2 or 6...
And just how many times must a boy apply for such a "position"Ma'am

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 9:52:10 AM   
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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 9:56:12 AM   
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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 10:22:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinnipedster

So...is this something it's really feasible to search for?  Here, or anywhere?  Or is it just something you have to find by sheer luck?


It was a must for me. I found it with both boys, though in vastly different ways. Angel is my baby and yet we still play video games, go to movies and amusement parks together. We go to church, have outting with friends in social groups and still go home to humiliation and age play.

Fox is my romantic partner and my slave. I am taking him to disney world in sept along with my parents. We go to movies, host board game nights at home and he asks his usual permission in front of friends.

It isnt impossible to find, but clicking for that is a bit harder than just clicking for sex or service.

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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 10:47:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinnipedster

So...is this something it's really feasible to search for?  Here, or anywhere?  Or is it just something you have to find by sheer luck?



Yes, in my experience here and elsewhere it is genuinely feasible to search for an LTR both here and elsewhere.  Being open to possibilities and not rigid in your expectations is probably one of the keys.  I think Ms. Lockit was  very adept at explaining much of the process.  Since you want a relationship that's based more on the overall package than kink, you really need to focus on getting to know the woman as a person before you go there.  I've found that once the commonality is established, the kink usually seems to have a way of working itself out on it's own. 
 
Being willing to be flexible is essential.  Know what you Must have, what you'd Like to have, and what you'd consider a Bonus if you found it.  Also know what you Can't have or won't tolerate.  That allows you to really know what's most important to you in a relationship; thus opening many doors and possibilities for you that you may not have previously seen before.  You'll then begin to see far more opportunities than you ever realized existed.
 
Having read your profile, personally, I think it could use some work and that may be some of what might be causing you some difficulties in finding the woman you seek.  First, it's unclear to me what you feel you have to offer the woman you'd like to meet.  If you know that, I suggest you state it up front.  Remember, you're promoting yourself and trying to advertise what you have to offer in the most appealing manner.  You seem to do a good job of sharing your interests and revealing something of your personality.  Where I think you're biggest difficulty is going to exist is that you're a crossdresser, which is clearly something that's important to you as I read your profile, although it's apparently not a daily or perhaps even a weekly need.  Crossdressers have a reputation among many dommes for things needing to be "all about the crossdresser" and not the domme, which creates an inherent conflict within a typical D/s dynamic.  Strike one against you so to speak.  That said, there are many dommes who also enjoy that kind of play in moderation.  In that sense, you'd clearly fit the bill.
 
Where things really seemed to fall apart for me though, was that your profile got very "wishy washy" near the end as to what you were actually looking for.  On one hand you're here posting that you want an LTR, yet in your profile you mention your openess to trying spending time with a switch, dominant couples, or even single men!  I strongly suspect, that's going to be a turn-off to the vast majority of dommes who are also looking for a LTR!  So, in posting that as part of you're profile, you've just put off perhaps 75% of your potential audience.  As such, it doesn't seem to me as though you're being clear on exactly what it is that you really want!  If I were a domme and I read your profile, I'd likely walk away and say "this guy seems rather confused and I don't know that I'd want to get involved!"
 
There are many threads if you use the search function that have been written with suggestions on how to write a good profile.  You may want to spend some time reading some of them.  It's generally clear to me that the majority of women here, are indeed looking for a compatible partner for an LTR!  They all just seem to approach it in different ways.
 
Although you didn't ask for a profile review, I hope you find this feedback helpful to you.
 
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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 11:48:43 AM   
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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 3:01:02 PM   
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I played around a fair bit while consciously and knowingly looking for a life partner. It wasn't a bad way to go, and I  recommend it, with some reservations, e.g., don't let your expectations get out of hand in the early stages.

I've been with my sub for 2 years almost to the day, and he's moving in with me next month. I recommend that you go out and start kissing frogs. That way you can have some fun while you look for your princess.

From pixelslave's post:

"Where I think you're biggest difficulty is going to exist is that you're a crossdresser ... Crossdressers have a reputation among many dommes for things needing to be "all about the crossdresser" and not the domme, which creates an inherent conflict within a typical D/s dynamic."

To be clear, this type of conflict isn't limited to those in D/s. It'a a problem for any human being who wants equal time in a relationship.

That said, there are many dommes who also enjoy that kind of play in moderation. 


Define moderation. I likes me some sissy.

Pixelslave continues:
 
On one hand you're here posting that you want an LTR, yet in your profile you mention your openess to trying spending time with a switch, dominant couples, or even single men!  I strongly suspect, that's going to be a turn-off to the vast majority of dommes who are also looking for a LTR! 

This is correct not only in general, but also is particularly on point as related to crossdressers. Because I am not the least bit interested in sharing; and because I know a little about the experiences of women who've been involved with crossdressers and other trans folk, I am extremely cautious whenever I run across one who isn't absolutely clear about being both monogamous and straight.


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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 3:03:39 PM   
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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 3:35:29 PM   
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And just how many times must a boy apply for such a "position"Ma'am


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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 4:12:56 PM   
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From pixelslave's post:

"Where I think you're biggest difficulty is going to exist is that you're a crossdresser ... Crossdressers have a reputation among many dommes for things needing to be "all about the crossdresser" and not the domme, which creates an inherent conflict within a typical D/s dynamic."

To be clear, this type of conflict isn't limited to those in D/s. It'a a problem for any human being who wants equal time in a relationship.



I totally agree.  It's how many subs feel when they read profiles written by Dommes who state that the relationship will be entirely about them and the sub shall have no needs.
 
 
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That said, there are many dommes who also enjoy that kind of play in moderation. 


Define moderation. I likes me some sissy.

 


LOL! My definition of moderation doesn't matter in the least.  The only definition that's of importance is the one held by the Domme he's trying to capture the attention of!
 
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RE: Are you looking for a relationship, or just a sub? - 7/25/2008 5:33:46 PM   
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First of all, I'm a little confused by your terminology.  Why wouldn't there be a relationship involved with a sub?  I don't know many Dominants who say, "Oh, he's just a sub" when it is someone that they care about.  Are you asking about a primary relationship vrs a D/s dynamic?  Are you wondering if they are interchangeable?    Who says a sub who isn't the primary, isn't also a long term relationship?

If you're asking about primary or monogamous relationships, some of the answers are going to be different depending on who you ask.  Case in point, I have a primary relationship with My husband, who is not submissive, but does have a Top side.  The only time our kinks mix, so to speak, is when we both go to the same events, play parties, etc.  He does happen to be kinky, it's just that we don't match each other.

My sub, while not My primary, is most certainly My secondary relationship  While D/s is a major component of it, that's not the only way we interact.  We also match movies, sing together, go shopping (which he loves) and do other things just for fun and to share each other's company. 

So, in a sense, I do look for relationships when I look for a sub.  If there's no relationship, other than friends, I term that person in connection to Me as a bottom.  There's quite a bit of fun to be had out there while waiting for the right match.


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