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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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I believe Senator Obama would spend more of our money here at home, as opposed to President Bush's plan of spending it rebuilding countries we demolished in the first place.

I don't want Obama spending more of my money period.  I want government to keep its greedy paws away from my business and from my bank account.

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Way too late for that CL,someone has to pay for bushie's wars

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
So you believe that Obama would blow the budget wide open?

Worse than Bush?

I believe Senator Obama would spend more of our money here at home, as opposed to President Bush's plan of spending it rebuilding countries we demolished in the first place.
 
I have no illusions about the "goodness" of Senator Obama. I'm not a fanatic, and have become imune to the pretty speeches and boyish charm. This has become about the focus of agenda, and what can be reasonably done by the two candidates. I was somewhat on-board with Senator McCain's straight talk express, until it became the straight neo-con express. I'm willing to accept that he took that path, in order to get the nomination ... but he has had it for quite some time, and has chosed to move further in that direction ever since. I'm not afraid of the neo-con agenda, I just feel that it will get nothing done for our nation.
 
In Senator Obama, I see someone has has a chance to get a very narrow window of things accomplished. In short, I'm making the choice between not enough, and nothing at all.
 
Not enough, is better than nothing. 

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405 



He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."

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The bill institutes the United Nations Millennium Summit goals as the benchmarks for U.S. spending.
"It is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day," a statement issued by supporters, including Obama, said.
Specifically, it would "declare" that the official U.S. policy is to eliminate global poverty, that the president is "required" to "develop and implement" a strategy to reach that goal and requires that the U.S. efforts be "specific and measurable."
Kincaid said that after cutting through all of the honorable-sounding goals in the plan, the bottom line is that the legislation would mandate the 0.7 percent of the U.S. GNP as "official development assistance."
"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child," he said.
Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims.
Kincaid also reported Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the "Millennium Project," confirms a U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP would add about $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas.

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2 wars and tax cuts for your rich friends = bigassed deficit...thats logic 101

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I note that celticlord wrote 'Obama's taxes will take my money'.

Does this mean he has conceded victory to the democratic candidate  ?

If he's scared, I know a few cool people in the Swiss banking system  .

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I disagree given the history of the Civil Rights Movement; pursuing equality in employment, housing, education, service in the Armed Forces, health care, etc. Race relations in America are both political and social.

When discrimination was enshrined in law, there was need for political action and political solution.  That need has passed.

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2 wars and tax cuts for your rich friends = bigassed deficit...thats logic 101

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Grand Caymans, Luxembourg, and Lichtenstein are where the cool bankers are these days.

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Heinrich Kieber, a former computer technician for the Bank of Liechtenstein has come forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there. Yesterday he testified via video, from an undisclosed location, before the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, during which he likely disclosed the names of the account holders. Thus exposing them to the scrutinizing of the IRS and the banks alleged efforts to help the wealthy Americans to hide their money from the IRS.

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There are still wide discrepencies between economic opportunity, quality of education and access to health care for middle class white folks and working class or working poor people of color.

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Opportunity does exist in this country.  I've seen it, I've lived it, and I know with certainty that it exists regardless of skin color.  Opportunity does not come cheap, but it most assuredly does come.

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You obviously need some updating. Lichtenstein just got engulfed in one of the biggest financial scandals: those American citizens who thought they could bypass the IRS are in it up to their eyeballs.

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Opportunity does exist in this country.  I've seen it, I've lived it, and I know with certainty that it exists regardless of skin color.  Opportunity does not come cheap, but it most assuredly does come.

Sure it does, it's just that opportunity comes in larger slices to those that don't have suspicious skin colour (such as yourself, if you do look like your photograph).

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Sure it does, it's just that opportunity comes in larger slices to those that don't have suspicious skin colour (such as yourself, if you do look like your photograph).

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

2 wars and tax cuts for your rich friends = bigassed deficit...thats logic 101

What rich friends?  All my friends actually work for a living.  We all turn in an honest day's work in order to make an honest day's wage (revenue in my case, being self-employed).  Which is why we all were happy to see our taxes decline under Bush, and which is why we don't want Obamaconomics taxing us more, taking our money, and misspending it on government handouts.

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Someone will have to pay for the wars, as Steiglitz said, if you fight a war you should be prepared to pay for it and not leave it to the next generation. Someone is going to have to pay for the war and the deficit. The idea that tax cuts will make the economy grow enough to pay for the war and deficit is voodoo economics. One thing for sure, Bush has proved himself to be an economic retard and Americans will have to pay for his idiocy at some point. The chances are taxes will have to go up one way or another, whoever gets in, just pay for standing still. Bush's imperialism is proving as flawed as Soviet imperialism. The imperialists are supposed to earn money from their adventures, not lose it on a foreseeable howlers and not hand it out like conffetti to keep malcontents quiet. At least Obama is planning to spend at home and not on foreign jollies. That makes sense.

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http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0708/0708unbarack.htm
 
July 21, 2008
Senator Barack Obama has introduced a dangerous bill and it's on the fast track to Senate passage, probably because of his high profile position as the expected Democrat presidential nominee. Obama hasn't done much legislatively in his freshman Senate term, but this one is very telling about what we can expect from a President Obama.

The bill is the "Global Poverty Act" (S.2433) and is not just a compassionate bit of fluff that Obama dreamed up to help the poor of the world. This bill is directly tied to the United Nations and serves as little more than a shakedown of American taxpayers in a massive wealth redistribution scheme. In fact, if passed, The Global Poverty Act will provide the United Nations with 0.7% of the United States gross national product. Estimates are that it will add up to at least $845 billion of taxpayer money for welfare to third world countries, in addition to the $300 billion Americans spent for the same thing in 2006.