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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 4:14:49 PM   
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we all are, LaT...
It is human nature that we isolate even though so many try to deny it. Think of what i dub "wounded animal syndrome". An animal that is wounded will isolate. Our wounds, either physical or emotional cause the same reaction. And a "wound" can be something as simple as feeling overwhelmed, needing down time, etc.



I always thought humans were social animals, mostly needing others to thrive, though to various degrees.  Though down-time and quiet time is definitely healing at times. 



i should have said "isolate at times".


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 4:57:04 PM   
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OP...it is your right to change Drs. if the relationship is not working for you. You mentioned it to her and got no results but i have to wonder why you stopped there. There is, i assume, a social worker involved in your case whom you could have gone to?
As it is i would think your behavior is going to have reprocussions.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 5:47:11 PM   
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I always thought humans were social animals, mostly needing others to thrive, though to various degrees. Though down-time and quiet time is definitely healing at times.



I never was a social animal, I participated in football and junior high more out of the desire to win my father's approval than the desire to play the sport.  I did play baseball in highschool becuase I did enjoy that sport considerably.

The more people around, the more pressure there is to fit into the 'norm' for society, all of which, in my honest opinion is a facade, an attempt to hide the fact that most people are just going through the motions of living, thus only existing.

When you consider that every time a trend or fashion change comes along, the majority of the population immediately take it up as the proper mode of dress, lifestyle or whatever.  Individualists are considered strange, weird, or worse.

And while the peace corp is a worth while calling, as is any volunteer organization, many of which I do support in one way or another, the majority of people would rather look out for number one than do something for their fellow man.

Besides, what has happened to those people who stood up and demanded a change?  People like Ghandi, Martin Luther King jr, Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, John Lennon?  Civil rights workers from the sixties in the south? 

Ever notice when someone steps up to stress peace, equality, goodwill they seem to end up dead?

The majority of the hippies of the sixties who were singing the praises of peace, love etc have evolved into capitalist fanatics.  In the late seventies, a group of physicists from the soviet union and the west stood up and openly spoke out against nuclear weapons, the arms race and Mutally Assured Distruction.  In the US the physicists lost any government grants, in the Soviet Union the physicists were imprisoned.

After seeing combat first hand, I have basically come to the conclusion that it is the most insane undertaking of man, and even though millions of people argue against it, countries still send troops to places where we are not wanted.  And the millions that screamed out against war suddenly find reasons to justify using force.

Of course, the United States is much better, here the government denies people the right to decide what happens on land the government deeded to them in treaties.

The federal government could stop wasting money subsidizing the railroad industry to the tune of 12.9 billion a year for improving the railroad infrastructure to handle high speed rail traffic, so that high speed interstate passenger service can be put into operation, which would mean more subsidizing of AMTRAK which hasnt shown a profit since it was created, and put the money where it would do more good, the inner cities.

Of course, since big money ELECTS politicians, that will never happen, and projects like the bridge to nowhere in alaska will still get more attention than the school in some inner city neighborhood that is in such disrepair, it should be condemned.

And for the record, I have voiced that opinion in group, in private sessions, in sessions with the case review team which includes yet another shrink, and also pointed out that I would like a different therapists simply because I really didnt like having someone that keeps pushing an issue that I have already tried to resolve on countless occasions and explained that EVERY time my sister gives me Dad's phone number and I call him, he changes his god damn fucking number. 

As I stated before, when diplomacy and tact hasnt worked, what should I have done, Kiss her ass and sit down and be told once again I am not doing everything I should be doing concerning my father, the fact I never truly grieved for my mother (in her opinion,) have unresolved issues with my sister in houston (we are talking once a week which is more than we were when I started with the shrink lady) and that I should be more agreeable to compromise than I am.

I compromised when I agreed to let my half sister move into the house mom left me, I compromised when I quit self medicating and sought professional help.

However, I refuse to change the core person I have always been to conform to someone's standards who really seems to think that there way is the only right way to do something.   Psychology is NOT an exact science.  If it was, we wouldnt need insane asylums.  The human mind is not made up the same way in everyone, what works for Joe Smith may not work for Jane Doe, or me for that matter.

If my comfort zone is on two acres of land 5 miles outside of town or a boat 30 miles offshore, what is wrong with that?  If I wish to limit my interactions with large numbers of people, that is my right under the constitution.  As long as I am not harming anyone or myself, then there is not a damn thing wrong with the situation.

I was ordered to go to therapy twice a week and attend a group session once a week as a condition for release from a state mental hospital after I had a suicidal breakdown.  I have one more year to go on that order, and while I do see the possible benifits of therapy, and even agree that it would do me good, I also think I have a better chance at progress with a therapist that at least dresses in a manner that is more in conformity with the medical profession than some high priced prostitute.

Now, if asking for another therapist didnt work, then perhaps this will.  Of course, I could face another stay at the rubber wall hotel, but at this point, I really dont give a shit.

I am normally not a rude person, nor do I really enjoy rattling people's chains in that fashion.  I do believe in speaking bluntly on a subject, without being insulting.  But I also expect to be listened to and not told I am not trying to do something when clearly I am.   There are just somethings I refuse to change, and a dislike for a society that places more value on making a buck than being themselves and actually practicing what they preach on sunday.

Now, I am going to ask this, considering the need of volunteers in the world today, the number of places that habitat for humanity or the peace corp could do some good, why is it that there is still a lack of enough support for those programs that the only time people care is after some disaster like katrina, or the tsunami in the indian ocean?  Why isnt the support there ALL of the time?

If I was wrong about the majority of the human race, then those programs and every other program that is trying to better the lives of people here and around the country would have more than enough support and projects that have been put on hold to improve neighborhoods or projects to improve the health and welfare of people in third world countries would have been done, and the need for such groups would only happen after a natural disaster.

And for the record, I volunteer three times a week to help the local habitate for humanity group with record keeping, ordering supplies, and lining up companies that are willing to donate material.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 5:57:31 PM   
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jlf...you have mail

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 6:02:33 PM   
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sirsholly, I have mentioned it to my case worker, the review team, the med review doctor, and even the social worker from the court that set this condition.

Since my breakdown was during a depressive cycle that followed the departure of my wife who was sleeping with someone she worked with, and had been prior to our getting married, it was assumed it was due to trust issues with women.

What was not considered was that a company I was working for went bankrupt and out of business and I had a worthless pay check for 3 grand, a friend I had since elementary school had also died that week after being hit by a car that had run a traffic light.... and missed the dogleg in the street so the person actually hit my friend who was standing in his own yard.

Does the term Overwhelmed cover this three day period in my life?  I saw two choices, get drunk, and as a recovering booze hound and dope fiend, I knew where that would go, or putting a pistol to my mouth.  A friend of mine in florida happened to call while I was tearing the house apart looking for some ammo for the 45 and used her cell phone to call the local sheriff's department.

For the record, I do not now or ever have had trust issues with women.  I do have an sarcastic streak that defies definition, and I will admit to being an opinionated asshole at times.

The worst that could happen would be a 'refresher' stay at the state mental hospital which would probably accelerate my disability claim with both social security and the insurance company who insists I can do manual labor even though every specialist I have seen between here and Dallas has made it clear that my lumbar spine would not tolerate such work.

At least two of these specialist have suggested a morphine pump implant for the chronic pain, but agree there is a risk factor with my history of drug abuse... I really dont understand that, but wont argue, if the stuff is being injected into the spinal column above the damaged area, in such small doses, how would my system even recognize it?


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 6:19:18 PM   
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morphine works on the pain receptors in the brain. Where in your body they put the pump has no bearing on the issue. The pump will effect you dispite the low doses of the drug. Saying your past history of addiction will not be an issue is not going to work. You might as well be saying a low dose of alcohol will not bother you.

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 6:34:52 PM   
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Thank you for explaining that.  I didnt understand since it was to be injected into the spine itself.  

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 6:40:14 PM   
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I dunno, jlf ... that just seems way outta line and rude to me.  Why do you have to shit all over her day?  She did nothing but try and do her job.   I don't find rudeness bold or attractive in any way, no matter how proud you may be of spewing it.  Did it make you feel good to dump on her?


Geez, no kidding. JLF what you said was just plain rude and in my opinion more than a little bit mean. Especially that last bit about her being a tease. You have no idea why she goes braless and frankly I doubt it has anything to do with teasing the likes of you.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 6:43:10 PM   
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op...go to bed. I mean it. What ever you feel is more important than sleep IS NOT.

You are making things worse for yourself.

Please...go to bed.

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 6:43:35 PM   
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Cry me a river JLF. Having a bad time with things doesn't give you permission to take it out on someone else.

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 6:56:38 PM   
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I dunno, jlf ... that just seems way outta line and rude to me.  Why do you have to shit all over her day?  She did nothing but try and do her job.   I don't find rudeness bold or attractive in any way, no matter how proud you may be of spewing it.  Did it make you feel good to dump on her?


Geez, no kidding. JLF what you said was just plain rude and in my opinion more than a little bit mean. Especially that last bit about her being a tease. You have no idea why she goes braless and frankly I doubt it has anything to do with teasing the likes of you.



Not to excuse the rudeness but I would be interested to know why a therapist felt it necessary to show her nipples at the office.  I've little to no experience with therapy, but it does strike my as a bit unprofessional.

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 7:17:09 PM   
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It would seem that many have taken your original question as a way to show how they like to rattle the chains of other posters here.

I wish you well,
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P.S. I still stand by what I said in my original response... I would have stuck around to see what her reactiion was, both physically and verbally.  If nothing else you gave her something to think about when it comes to how she is presenting herself.  I may have even been tempted to follow up your statement with ... "Since I will no longer be a patient, want to grab a bite when you get off?"

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 7:20:07 PM   
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If nothing else you gave her something to think about when it comes to how she is presenting herself. 



Yeah, put that wench in her place, and show her the kind of reward that's in store for her for not wearing a bra, little prickteaser that she is .

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 7:29:15 PM   
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If nothing else you gave her something to think about when it comes to how she is presenting herself. 



Yeah, put that wench in her place, and show her the kind of reward that's in store for her for not wearing a bra, little prickteaser that she is .


Amen.  After three years of providing him with therapy, the ungrateful wench.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 8:26:00 PM   
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I dunno, jlf ... that just seems way outta line and rude to me.  Why do you have to shit all over her day?  She did nothing but try and do her job.   I don't find rudeness bold or attractive in any way, no matter how proud you may be of spewing it.  Did it make you feel good to dump on her?


Geez, no kidding. JLF what you said was just plain rude and in my opinion more than a little bit mean. Especially that last bit about her being a tease. You have no idea why she goes braless and frankly I doubt it has anything to do with teasing the likes of you.



Not to excuse the rudeness but I would be interested to know why a therapist felt it necessary to show her nipples at the office.  I've little to no experience with therapy, but it does strike my as a bit unprofessional.


Sometimes my nipples show when I don't realize it. All bras are not created equal. Point is, she likely wasn't showing them off to be a tease.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 8:56:41 PM   
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If nothing else you gave her something to think about when it comes to how she is presenting herself. 



Yeah, put that wench in her place, and show her the kind of reward that's in store for her for not wearing a bra, little prickteaser that she is .


Is it wrong to believe that some folks should dress appropriately for their jobs...  Although it could lead to some seriously interesting moments if they didn't...

The lawyer that appears in court wearing a vest and assless chaps... a female doctor doing hernia exams wearing nothing but a string bikini.  I said nothing about the woman deserving to be treated like a wench, only that perhaps she will think about the way her clothing choices are presenting her to patients (whether warranted or not).


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 9:19:53 PM   
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You know, I'd agree with you about folks dressing appropriately for their jobs, but it wasn't until post #39 that the OP mentions he'd been going to her for THREE YEARS and now he's decided to blow up and exclaim how much it bothers him.

I'm going to take a wild guess (and my opinion) that he's projected anger and frustration onto her and this is just one of the excuses to get his therapist changed.  I hope for both their sakes he does.

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 9:30:20 PM   
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I can accept that explanation. 

Though I could also see how the therapist's thoughts on him having female trust issues could be correct, and that prevented him from mentioning it prior to finally breaking.

Either way getting a new therapist would probably be in both of their best interests, and perhaps they both have learned something from each other.

Just my opinions,
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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/26/2008 9:38:32 PM   
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Either way getting a new therapist would probably be in both of their best interests, and perhaps they both have learned something from each other.


Agree!

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 5:33:58 AM   
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I dunno, jlf ... that just seems way outta line and rude to me.  Why do you have to shit all over her day?  She did nothing but try and do her job.   I don't find rudeness bold or attractive in any way, no matter how proud you may be of spewing it.  Did it make you feel good to dump on her?


Geez, no kidding. JLF what you said was just plain rude and in my opinion more than a little bit mean. Especially that last bit about her being a tease. You have no idea why she goes braless and frankly I doubt it has anything to do with teasing the likes of you.



Not to excuse the rudeness but I would be interested to know why a therapist felt it necessary to show her nipples at the office.  I've little to no experience with therapy, but it does strike my as a bit unprofessional.


Sometimes my nipples show when I don't realize it. All bras are not created equal. Point is, she likely wasn't showing them off to be a tease.



While I agree with Thadius that an new therapist is definitely in order for both their sakes', the OP did say that she wasn't wearing a bra.  When i'm not wearing a bra I fully expect my nipples to show.  Why wouldn't they?  Good rule of thumb...wear a bra to the office. 

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