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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 8:19:02 AM   
opposingtwilight


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OK the OP -said- she wasn't wearing a bra. Did he spot check? Touch her in some way? Some bras, esp. cheap ones that let your nips show, can't be -seen- under clothing. Because they're thin ... N stuff.

Honestly, it doesn't matter what she was wearing; he was still rude and out of line. If she bothered him that much he had every right to request a different therapist. There was no need for a personal attack.

As for 'treating her like a wench' because of what she was wearing, thats almost as bad as saying its ok to assault a woman because she was wearing suggestive clothing. After all, she was asking for it right?

There is no excuse for a lack of self control.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 2:45:02 PM   
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Opposingtwilight, I have been asking, repeatedly for another therapist.

As for knowing she wasnt wearing a bra, well, silk that is in the form of a tight shirt would betray the signiture lines of a bra, and in the light of the office, IF you had been reading, were thin enough to also make out if she had tan lines, which she did not.

Funny thing about silk, some weaves are rather thin, and leaves nothing to the imagination.  She prefers just those shirts.

As I admitted in at least two earlier posts, I had tried diplomacy, I had tried going over her head, nothing worked.

During her periods of vacation, I had been seen by another female therapist in the practice who was quite professional, and I got along with very well.

My major problem with this particular therapist is her lack of belief that I am actually doing what I need to outside the office, the fact that in the last year she has maxed out my medication dosage, right after my mother passed away,  and seems to believe that the best thing to do is throw a pill at something.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 4:17:29 PM   
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jlf1961> I am not poking fun at your issues. Please don't mistake this post for that.

But damn. If I ever need to see a therapist.. Short skirts and braless nipple showing see thru silk shirts ?.. Wow. That is hot. Throw in some high heel shoes with exposed painted toenails and I want to know where to sign up.

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 8:46:28 PM   
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CruelDesires,
I make light of my problems, half the time it is the only way to get people to relax.

My favorite line is, "I am crazy and have the paperwork to prove it."

Truth be told, no matter who I asked, there was no move to change therapists.  I have had sessions with three others in the practice, all women and do not have problem with any of them.

Now, what strikes me as absolutely insane is that some of the coldest responses to this thread have been from some people I have exchanged cmails with, or even supported in some debates.

One of the first critical individuals as soon as I explained a bit more about the issues at hand even cmailed me advice.  Which I had already did, but the thought was appreciated.

CruelDesires, the funny thing is that I have tried to commit suicide I dont know how many times, landed in ICU wards twice, was told that one of my chosen careers was clearly suicidal, but it was the last attempt 3 years ago that landed me in a padded cell.

The nice thing is that I am not psychotic, just anti social, well with certian individuals.  I have been known to give my last dollar to someone who needed it more than I did, take care of an acquantence during her recovery from some very serious surgery because her family had disowned her, and did it with no concern for compensation.

While I cant donate blood, I do volunteer during blood drives so that people who are trained to poke veins can do that and not have to pass out juice and cookies afterwords.   I donate 3 days a week to habitat for humanity, even donated two computers to their office after a storm relocated the roof a half block away.  (for some strange reason, once the wind moved the roof, it stopped keeping the rain out of the office, go figure)

Since they cant get enough donated storage space for materials, I have let them use my barn rent free.

I have managed to get building materials from companies locally that used to only donate 2nd rate material.  On saturdays I can be found working with autistic kids (purely on selfish grounds, I have an autistic nephew living in Houston) at a local stable.  Strangely enough, a few of those kids have shown remarkable progress since they have been interacting with the horses.

Every labor day, you can find me at the world's largest chili pot helping raise money for the West Texas Rehab Center.  Again, that is for purely selfish reasons, one of these years I want to win the chili cook off, just to get a plaque... the first place check goes back to the Rehab center.  (Granted, I have a roof that leaks, but the people the rehab center helps need the money more.)

By march I hope to have a hand made saddle ready for the Rehab telethon and auction, I have already gotten 5 leather rifle cases ready, all hand tooled, and 5 holsters and belts as well.

I dont make a dime doing any of this, and according to the people handling my disability case, none of this will hurt my case since I am doing no more than the doctors that Social Security AND the Insurance company have sent me to has said that is my physical limits.  (someone care to explain how the Social Security Administration and the Insurance company can say THEIR doctor's opinions  have no probative value?)




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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 9:05:26 PM   
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I am curious. You say you are crazy. That can mean that you have no control over your emotions. Threads like this tend to support that fact. Do you really think you should be actively seeking a submissive?

Edit> Fixed spelling error.

C-D

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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 9:51:31 PM   
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Bipolar disorder is not as rare as many would think.  As long as I am on my meds, I am a fairly stable individual. 

Another myth is that all bipolar people are violent, which is not true.  I tend to get angry at myself, rather than those around me.

I have maintained healthy Dom/sub relationships since I quit the dope and booze and actively sought professional help, the present therapist is not my first.

The last time I was in a relationship, I left Key West and she did not want to leave because she wished to stay close to her family.  I understood, had no bad emotions, i.e depression etc, and we are still close friends.

There seems to be two schools of thought about bipolar disorder, medicate the patiant to the gills so they are unable to experience emotions, OR, everytime they give the impression they are on the verge of a crisis, stick em in a ward somewhere.

Personally, I always thought that therapy was supposed to help you cope with problems.   Last year I made it through the death of my mother, I have actually begun talking to my younger sister, (without fighting) and am attempting (if dad will stop changing his damn number) to mend fences with my father who disowned me when I enlisted in the army rather than following his plan for my life.

I have some emotional problems that are being treated by medication, and hopefully a therapist I can relate to easier in the near future.  One of the primary ways I keep myself from stewing in my own problems is working with 3 organizations here that, in my opinion need all the help they can get.   The rehab center needs volunteers to work with autistic and physically impaired kids, habitat for humanity needs people to arrange donations and professional volunteers, and the local SPCA needs someone that understands horses.

I also help out during blood drives... I cant donate, due to the meds I am taking.

The very worst thing, IMO that someone who has any impairment can do is sit around and stare at four walls.  I have tried talking to the dogs, but they just look at me funny. 

Now, it is said that insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.  Well, it is just as insane to do nothing.

Besides, what is insane, really?  Is it running around trying to earn a dollar and putting off the dreams you still have from when you were a kid, and being miserable?

Personally, when you think about it, understanding I have a problem, dealing with that problem in ways that keep me from dwelling on ALL my problems seems to be a much more sane way of living than robbing peter to pay paul and praying that you can make ends meet in a world that seldom makes any sense.

I cant change the fact that I am going to be taking medication the rest of my life.  That really doesnt bother me.

However, I know schizophrenics  that you would never know had a problem since they are on meds,  at least six people that have suffered violent psychotic breakdowns, who are stable, as long as they take their meds, people you would never realize ever spent a minute in an institution, until they told you.

My saying I am crazy is my way of saying I have a problem and I am dealing with it in a constructive way other than harming myself or others.

Insanity would be if I refused to deal with the problem and ended up harming myself or someone else.  

Now, if having bipolar disorder is some reason for me not to live a full life, in a lifestyle that does not conform to the norm, I have not been told.

I do know that a) I have never found it satisfying to inflict injuries that leave scars, cause injuries requiring hospital care, draw blood, play with knives to mark someone, or some of the more extreme forms of the lifestyle, and b) One of the first rules I give a sub is that she has full permission to make damn sure I take my medications and if I seem to be pushing to hard and appears to be heading for a manic or depressive episode, she is to contact my sister immediately.

Funny thing is that the successful relationships with in the lifestyle I had after seeking treatment has had that rule, and I have yet to find a sub that will not follow it.

As I said, it would be insane for me to deny the problem and not deal with it, but, the fact that I do accept and deal with the problem and showed me a way that leads to a new level of trust on both sides of the relationship has actually been a lot more rewarding.

Trust is something that a bipolar individual must practice in order to survive.  It would be worse to hide the problem which cant be done very well, considering the medication and the therapy sessions.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 10:03:05 PM   
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Dear jlf,

Many hugs to you for being so open about your trials with this condition.  Thing 1 has juvenile BPD, my ex/his father has it, and 2 of my good friends have it.  You're doing what you need to be doing, taking meds as needed, talk therapy, and all the rest.  I applaud you for being pro-active.  I wish Thing 1's father would do what he needs to do to control his mood swings as an example to him, but he doesn't.  It's very hard to keep reminding Thing 1 that having a disorder does not define him in his entirety.  It's hard to hear when you're not an adult yet and blending in with your peers is all you want to do, so no one thinks you're "different."

All the best to you.
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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/27/2008 10:41:51 PM   
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Red,
I doubt if wearing a tiger striped cammie boonie hat in west texas is blending in, niether are the deck shoes, shorts, Atlanta Braves shirts or
the "I Hate the Dallas Cowboys" Sweatshirt, is blending in.

While I do own justin ropers, a black stetson, and numerous pairs of blue jeans, in temps that exceed 90 degrees, I am not going to wear them.

As for the person in your life that does not take a proactive role in his own stability, my advice is dont let him drag you into his world.  Sooner or later he will wake up, or he will do what I tried to do.  Either way, it will end the confusion, I do hope he choses a positive way though.


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RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. - 7/28/2008 4:20:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


Another myth is that all bipolar people are violent, which is not true.  I tend to get angry at myself, rather than those around me.




Jlf...the most basic way to define depression is anger turned inward. It seems to me you have a few  issues other than Bipolar disorder.
However...you will not be a sucess at treating these issues until you get the mania under control. Sleep deprivation is going to just add to the problems...


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