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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 10:25:56 AM

MistressDREAD

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Ohhh but wait I just
cannot resist One more
.............................
But still she remained standing before me, looking down at me, I suppose. Then HE said, “She is only an ignorant Earth slut.”
~Witness of GOR,page 131~
.............................
ahhh such words of endearment!!
~giggles~

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 10:48:01 AM

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Well, since you can't resist. Dread, quoting things out of the fantasy novels about Gor as if they were the Gospel according to St. Norman to prove anyting is usually outgrown by folks in the life (not including the online role-play Goreans who never seem to outgrow it) after about three months. If you've been in the life 27 years, you are way, way behind the curve, precious. We don't live in a set of fantasy novels. When I talk about what Goreans do, I am talking about Goreans that I know, and have known, who live it every day. I don't happen to know the characters in "Witness of Gor".

I'm responding to you here, not because I think it'll do any good in your case, but because you are reinforcing just about every negative stereotype that serious folks in the general BDSM community have about Goreans. You are making an ass of yourself, and the people in the community that you claim to be a part of. I wish you'd stop.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 11:26:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

"Worthless lump of dog shit", she said. "That is what my master has decided to call me, and that is what I am". I found myself profoundly saddened just reading it. I can honestly say that I have never even thought that about a slave, much less said it. I can say without hesitation that if I ever had thought something like that, it would have been shortly before the door slammed behind the slave. If words like that are meant, why would a slave be kept? If words like that aren't meant, and it is understood between the master and the slave that they aren't meant, why would they have any effect on the hearer at all?

My general impression of folks who speak to others in this way is that it is to salve a wanting self-image by degrading those around them. Is that why the "worthless lump of dog shit" is kept? To make the man feel better about himself? Does the "worthless lump of dog shit" stay because that is what she actually thinks about herself?

Don't get me wrong, I have been known to be a no-nonsense master that accepts precious little bullshit from a slave, and will remind them of their place in no uncertain terms, but, in terms, I'd like to think, that I have chosen carefully to enhance self-esteem, not destroy it. As I have said before, I think it is important for the wise owner of a slave to enhance the value of his property.

I'm probably going to get some grief here about not dissing someone else's "kink" but I'm having a hard time not seeing the scenario above as simply co-dependant and dysfunctional. I'd love to hear why it isn't.

Take care of yourselves.

Leonidas

What is pleasing to your ear? What makes your heart beat a little faster, makes you breathe a little deeper, and just send that elllllecccctricccity through every cell of you....when it caresses your ear?
Or maybe it isn't what is being said at all. Maybe it's the whole scene...the attitude, the temperature, and the tone. The words are really unimportant.

I knew someone who told his slave that she was "lower than whale shit at the bottom of the ocean". I was a lot younger then, and when I heard it, it made me sad. I even entertained the thought that perhaps he didn't deserve to have slaves if this was how he was going to treat them! Ha ha, we live and learn. Of course they are still together, of course he still says THAT, and other things equal to THAT, to her. She has a very successful business, and he is retired. It's their "kink". I do not speak to my subs in that way, and I most certainly would not accept it well at all if spoken to in that tone or language. But it isn't my "kink".

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We are Living Alternate Lifestyles not that which is * normal*

I am going to disagree with Dread on this. I believe I'm *normal*, and those who claim to be *vanilla* are in denial. lol

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 11:35:44 AM

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HMMMM
Now who is embarring whom?
You would not know what GOR
is with out the 26 Cronicles of
Gor to have told You how to know
what GOR is.... Your tempt to
devalue John Normans writings
and mindful vision of what He
enjoyed as His fantasy shared
to the world says alot about what
Your GOR is as well. But then again
just as John Normans World is always
tempted to be taken out of context
so is the BDSM community as a whole.
Or any Fantasy that becomes sumones
reality.
Do You really feel that Your words are
more right then Mine? I have many
Many Gorean freinds in real life. Ive
been standing in a line of Protesters
whom fought for John Normans right
not to have His books banned in the first
place and be given to the world His writings.
Now I know as everyone they are not
literary Genius as sum writings are but they
are cherished none the less and Your words
stink of just the kind of Watering down that
Sum whom would address their selfs as Gorean
have come to do. I will not deface nor devalue
The Cronicles of GOR for they are like the bible
is to Christianity and it is what GOR is based off
of for real life applications in a Alternate way of
living Life. Really now such defilement of John
Norman is what I see to be quite the shame.
Regardless of how You think of Me and Your opinon
of My Opinions. Your Gor is not My Gor but My Gor is
not of any less value then Yours but My MOST DEFINATLY
IS NOT YOUR GOR.

Lady Beckett He is not a vanilla but sumone whom procrests to be an
experianced BDSMer hence I would take His words not as that of a vanilla
and that is why I stated what I did the way I did.
I am aware that a vanilla sum body or sumone whom had never faced
BDSM or GOR would take the words any derogitory words to mean as much but for those of Us with in the Lifestyle such should not be a issue
if one is accepting of others differances and tolerance is learned and shown for all those Alternates and differances. JMO

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 11:38:31 AM

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Ok, your kink isn't my kink again. Same questions for you, since you probably have more context than what you offered here. Did he say it as if he meant it? Do you think he meant it? Did you get the impression that she thinks he means it? If so, why the hell would he keep her around? Does he think he deserves no better than whale shit in the bottom of the ocean? Other than utter lack of self-esteem, why the hell would she stay?

I have heard a man say, with a twinkle in his eye "you are a vicious little cunt" to his significant other, to which she responded, "the absolute worst". He wasn't serious, of course, and she knew it. Is this the kind of exchange that you are talking about? If so, I don't see anything wrong with that. It's almost like an inside joke. I didn't get the impression, though, that in the example I sited it was a joke. I think he meant it, and I think she believed it.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 11:43:56 AM

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Ohhh yes Beckett
I always love the way
You disagree with Me!

HAHAHAH!
You have a excitingly
delightful day! Iknow
I am.......

{thinks about the
position of a Certain
Gorean at the moment.
And nope it aint standin
either.....~wink~

}

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 11:46:51 AM

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I'm sorry Dread. If I cared a little more (which wouldn't have to be much), I might try to decifer this bable. I don't, so I won't. It was a crap shoot responding to you in the first place. Ah well. Back to the subject of the thread.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 11:47:59 AM

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There is always sum truth to Our Words and
always sum Lies in Our Actions.....
I hope I havent raised Your pressure to much.
Im sure there are many whom have enjoyed
Our differing values of Our Lifestyle and its
Opinions and all tho You give Mine no value
nor Me
I do Yours even if I do not agree with it.
You have a hard and sweaty day too!!
You deserve it!! ~giggles~

{ throws kisses to the audiance as I walk out to finish a job }

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 12:15:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Did he say it as if he meant it? Do you think he meant it? Did you get the impression that she thinks he means it? If so, why the hell would he keep her around? Does he think he deserves no better than whale shit in the bottom of the ocean? Other than utter lack of self-esteem, why the hell would she stay?

Hmmm...I am going to assume this is a serious inquiry and respond in a very personal way.

I feel that I am drawn to this lifestyle in a large part by a number of very real psychological issues I have. One of them is a very real fear of never being really loved for myself, but rather for the things I can do. (I have always been smart and handy and able to please those I love, and I think this created some sense that I am loved because I can make people feel good, instead of for "me." Whatever that means.)

This leads me to "test" relationships I am in. I think the thought process goes something like this: "If I do something horrible, and she stays, that means she really loves me." Probably not very healthy, but it's me and I let all those who I think I may get involved with know this about me.

So how does all this answer your question? Basically, if one does something so "hurtful" and "degrading" as calling someone "no better than a steaming plie of shit" and really mean it, yet, the object of their scorn replies "Yes, Sir...I am that and probably much worse", it might just fill a need that nothing else on earth can.

Personally, I don't use words like those above to degrade my slaves. My style of dominance is, I think, much more painful than mere words can deliver...

Hope that helps.

Yours,
Taggard

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 12:33:04 PM

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That's a very interesting perspective Taggard. I would say that your example, though, assumes a tremendous amount of self-esteem and altruism on the part of the slave. She is, in effect, "taking one for the team". What about the woman who, despite what she might say, isn't that strong? The one who would believe you. The one whose self-esteem you could destroy with those words (and bear in mind that you might not know until you have said them). She might stay with you, but because you have made her believe that she deserves no better. Would you destroy the slave to get what you need? To paraphrase my old buddy, Dostoyevsky, if you could make a perfect world by torturing one innocent creature to death, would you?

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 12:52:24 PM

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My personal tastes do not run in that direction, yes I do humiliation, but not to that extent. The only justification I can see is if that is what the sub/slave accepts or enjoys. I do not even use "worm" or "dirt" when referring to my males. As I think they are worth something much more than that. Why would I want someone that I thought of as something you would scrap off your shoes? Sundew

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 1:25:27 PM

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if you could make a perfect world by torturing one innocent creature to death, would you?

My Idea of perfect is not Yours there for to ask Me if I would is moot.
I do not see those whom have come to the Lifestyle of Alternates as being
a inocent. If they were they would not be here seeking and living a part of.

those whom have * chose * to be a slave are no where near inocent and
have done great indepth research in to their selfs to know they are slave at heart and with in their belly. Your idea that a slave is a inocent that must be protected from humiliating words that are deemed by You to be
not right is hilarious especially when it is them whom usually seek out such useage and desires with in their worlds of need. My slaves are My posessions and each have a number they are called by in value to their
position with in the Home as well as names they are refered to by Me. If
I am in the humiliation mood or scene or with a slave whom desires such
then it is My Duty as a Dominant to provide what the slave seeks to gain
its servitude and give its desires.( I care not what the out side world likes or does not like or thinks in My actions or words for the outside world does nothing for Me or Mine and I do not play by the Outside Worlds rules.) You have let Your personal regress for humiliation get the best of You Free Man and in such tempted to make Others feel worthless in the same fashion with Your vain attempts at a practice You cannot fathom. Leave the Humiliating to those of Us whom
practice it and enjoy it if You do not like it. Calling Me any thing but My name and Role in My Opinion carries the same weight as dogshit in Your eyes. Understand that fact precious.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 1:33:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

That's a very interesting perspective Taggard. I would say that your example, though, assumes a tremendous amount of self-esteem and altruism on the part of the slave.

I am not sure it has anything to do with altruism. I think, perhaps they just simply need/enjoy it as much as I do.

So if you now ask why the ones who need to be (enjoy being) called "a worthless pile of shit", have that kink, I am afraid I will have to defer to the ones who do, as I am about as able to answer that question as I am able to answer why anyone would want to submit in any fashion at all.

I really don't get submission on any kind of personal level. For me, it is merely the physical energy I need to come from my partner to thrive. I know, logically, that they do need/enjoy it, so I don't really try to understand it on any deeper level. I have enough issues of my own to work out (for now, at least).

quote:

Would you destroy the slave to get what you need? To paraphrase my old buddy, Dostoyevsky, if you could make a perfect world by torturing one innocent creature to death, would you?

Maybe now my need for a lengthy negotiation process filled with many safeguards and a very slow process of decreasing limits makes more sense? As we have discussed before, the no-limits slave style you enjoy does not really allow for the kind of rough play that many S&M practitioners enjoy. My style, while not physically painful, can be rather damaging psychologically and requires many of the same safeguards.

I need to know that the slave is in a position to not be destroyed by my desires and tests. I need to know that if I begin to really hurt her, she will have tools to express her pain. I need to know, through the lengthy negotiation process, that I will not destroy her with what I need.

It is all about the pots and the lids...and matching them up.

One more thing I would like to say, and it is along the lines of your reaction to the "your kink is not my kink" line of thought. I don't mean this as any kind of insult, but you seem to be a rather mainstream kind of kinkster. From what I understand of you (and that, admittedly isn't very much) you are into the kind of M/s relationship that would pass as vanilla in many countries around the world, with a bit of the approved S&M activities (floggings, bondage, etc.) sprinkled in. Women sub, men dom...natural order kind of thing. All very common things.

I think, perhaps, you have trouble with the "your kink is not my kink" because you don't have many kinks that aren't common. I can be a rather extreme psychological player, and I have a bizzare paperwork fetish. When I realized these things about myself, and that these weren't very common, or particularly accepted aspects of BDSM, it really opened my eyes to what "your kink is not my kink" is all about.

When I defend a practice I don't share or even understand, I am really defending my own right to practice things others don't share or even understand. So when you say:

quote:

OK, I figured I'd hear the "your kink isn't my kink" thing. Just a simple question though.

you raise a very defensive reaction in those of us who fear those simple questions will turn into simple demands that we stop practicing what the inquisitor doesn't understand. (I am not saying that you mean to do this, it is just the natural reaction of those who have been called sick and perverted by others who did not understand.)

Thought provoking as always...

Yours,
Taggard

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 2:28:49 PM

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Leonida's,
I'm only responding to your comment. I noticed there were a lot of threads. Frankly I don't care to read certain ones so I'm not.

Anyway, your question is intelligent. A breath of fresh air. Of course you already knew that.

Anyway my two cents on the question are:

Most people who humiliate and degrade in the manner you are speaking of quite frankly they don't think too highly of themselves. Misery loves company.
You've lived in the lifestyle long enough to make an assesment on it. Self esteem is lacking in Doms/subs alike. Is it not?
If abused as a child we tend to gravitate towards abusers as adults. Yep, verbal abuse is just as bad if not worse than physical.
It's also easy to be attacked and take it to heart by someone you assume loves you. Even if you did have self esteem before they decided to rip it away shred by shred. Someone who loves you must be telling you the truth right? If only they could be adult enough to realized they have an issue and taking it out on the innocent may not always be the best idea in the world.

I think you are 100% correct in your assumption. That is why the worthless piece of crap is kept so the abuser can feel a little bit better about themselves for a little bit of time each day. Much cheaper than therapy.

Although on a side note.
When we are playing my Dom also calls me certain names. Although outside of play he would never utter them. Its an understanding between the two of us. We've talked about it and certain words and things excites him.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 2:48:24 PM

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quote:

So if you now ask why the ones who need to be (enjoy being) called "a worthless pile of shit", have that kink, I am afraid I will have to defer to the ones who do, as I am about as able to answer that question as I am able to answer why anyone would want to submit in any fashion at all.

I don't have to personally identify with their motives to know (or at least think) that there are a couple of possibilities. The woman enjoys "talking dirty" and gets the same kind of thrill from being told that she's a worthless pile of shit as she would from the usual "you little cunt/whore/bitch/slut/<epithet of your choice here>". It's just talkin' dirty. Naughty play time. No harm, no foul, just people doin' the nasty, as they say. The other possibility is that she is in a co-dependant relationship, as I said in the beginning, where she really does experience herself as worthless, and is engaged with someone who needs to think so too, for reasons all his own. It might be their "kink", but to this observer, an unhealthy one. In fact, the kind that I have seen end badly (really badly) from time to time. People do tragic things to those that they find worthless and sub-human sometimes. People who think that they are worthless and sub-human let it happen sometimes, too.

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I don't mean this as any kind of insult, but you seem to be a rather mainstream kind of kinkster. From what I understand of you (and that, admittedly isn't very much) you are into the kind of M/s relationship that would pass as vanilla in many countries around the world, with a bit of the approved S&M activities (floggings, bondage, etc.) sprinkled in. Women sub, men dom...natural order kind of thing. All very common things.

No insult taken at all. An ancient Greek or Roman would look at me and say "oh, he keeps slaves", and think no more of it. The only thing that I might take issue with in this statement is that when I whip a slave I'm doing SM. I'm not.

quote:

I think, perhaps, you have trouble with the "your kink is not my kink" because you don't have many kinks that aren't common. I can be a rather extreme psychological player, and I have a bizzare paperwork fetish. When I realized these things about myself, and that these weren't very common, or particularly accepted aspects of BDSM, it really opened my eyes to what "your kink is not my kink" is all about.

I think that my problem with "your kink isn't my kink" is that it is applied in this community as a pantacea that precludes the examination of the ethics of any action that can be claimed as someone's "kink". There were a few folks here who kind of "groked" what I was talking about on this thread. The knee-jerk reaction of the others, though, was "your kink isn't my kink".

The bottom line here is that I really need to shut up and go away. You are right, this really does need to be an inquisitor free zone where critical thinking is checked at the door, and everyone can live and let live, and do what they wanna do.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 3:13:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas
People who think that they are worthless and sub-human let it happen sometimes, too.

And here is the part that I know you will really have trouble "groking"...sometimes they even enjoy it and want it to happen again and again. Sometimes those "unhealthy" relationships and really bad and nasty things are what they live for.

(BTW, Stranger in a Strange Land is on by list of 50 books Berlin must read when I kidnap her and drag her to Spain.)

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No insult taken at all. An ancient Greek or Roman would look at me and say "oh, he keeps slaves", and think no more of it. The only thing that I might take issue with in this statement is that when I whip a slave I'm doing SM. I'm not.

I wasn't implying that you were, simply that the things you dabble in that are outside of the "vanilla in many other countries" are on the S&M "commonplace and officially approved as SSC" list.

quote:

I think that my problem with "your kink isn't my kink" is that it is applied in this community as a pantacea that precludes the examination of the ethics of any action that can be claimed as someone's "kink".

Who is doing the examining? Who's code of ethics are they using? What kind of force will they have to put a stop to "unethical" practices? It is quite easy to be confident that you are "ethical" if you play how you and, for the most part, I do. Yet I still fear the slippery slope...

quote:

The bottom line here is that I really need to shut up and go away. You are right, this really does need to be an inquisitor free zone where critical thinking is checked at the door, and everyone can live and let live, and do what they wanna do.

(Ignoring the straw man.)

I certainly hope nothing I have written has led to this reaction. I think your comments and questions have been recieved more than warmly by the regulars on this board. (And yes, that is a warm welcome from our beloved Mistress DREAD, you should see one of her cold ones. :-)

As far as doing what they wanna do...that's what they're gonna do...do you really want to be the one policing them?

Yours,
Taggard

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 3:34:09 PM

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Leonidas,

Lots of "guests" read the boards. Plenty of collarme members read the boards, but don't post. Who knows how many people do grok you and your ideas silently, secretly? Or at least consider what you say. Don't discount the importance of a Gorean amabassador on a bdsm board.

Remember when you said, "Be strong and do as you will, the swords of others will set you your limits."

Lack of critical thinking in a forum like this is like a dull sword. Frustrating and irritating, but not especially damaging. Forge ahead, man.

January

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 3:39:55 PM

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quote:

And here is the part that I know you will really have trouble "groking"...sometimes they even enjoy it and want it to happen again and again. Sometimes those "unhealthy" relationships and really bad and nasty things are what they live for.

I guess I wasn't explicit enough for you. I knew a woman once. Well actually she was a friend of one of my slaves, I barely knew her. She met a man online who was very much into telling her that she was just a fuck hole and a worthless little cunt for his use. That was his "kink". She believed it. She ended up in a 55 gallon drum in a storage locker. I don't think that's what she lived for, or what she died for. That is what I meant by people doing something tragic to people that they see as nothing more than a worthless pile of dog shit, or piece of meat, take your choice.

quote:

Who is doing the examining?

I thought that we were. Yanno, discussion board.

quote:

Who's code of ethics are they using?

It's strictly BYOB (Bring Your Own Brain)

quote:

What kind of force will they have to put a stop to "unethical" practices?

Enough people saying, "hey dude, that ain't cool" generally works.

quote:

It is quite easy to be confident that you are "ethical" if you play how you and, for the most part, I do. Yet I still fear the slippery slope...

Society in general has this nasty habit of drawing the lines for people who can't seem to draw them themselves. I don't think we'd like where the general public would draw them for us.

Beyond that, I don't have to want to do something, or even understand it, to think it's just fine. Pony girls? I don't get it. Never will get it. Don't care to get it. I think it's not only absolutely harmless, but seems, for reasons absolutely unfathomable to me, to instill pride and a sense of accomplishment in women who undergo the training. Here is an example where "your kink isn't my kink" fits just fine, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think that we have to decide that we are going to be completely amoral as a community in order to allow for diversity. Ethical arguments can be made by thinking people. I would contend that critical thinking about these things is more important here than in the "vanilla" world, where one can rely on the bright lines of what their parents taught them.

quote:

I certainly hope nothing I have written has led to this reaction. I think your comments and questions have been recieved more than warmly by the regulars on this board. (And yes, that is a warm welcome from our beloved Mistress DREAD, you should see one of her cold ones. :-)

No worries. I was really only talking about ending this thread.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 3:42:03 PM

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I've read profiles of women who ask "inisignificant worms" to write them. One wrote me because in my journal I say I'm not a worm. (She wrote to tell me I really am, like that'd make me fly into her arms or something

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How could I respect a woman who wanted a worm not a man? (Yes, I know there are plenty of male subs that think differently.)

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When the Lady smiles i can't resist her call. As a matter of fact, i don't resist at all. Well that depends if it is a smile or a grimmace.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 4:01:26 PM

Leonidas

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Holy shit, Iwill. We agree about something? Has CNN been alerted?

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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