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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 4:41:33 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
Does the "worthless lump of dog shit" stay because that is what she actually thinks about herself?

The first thing that comes to mind is… but he’s kissing and fucking dog shit. But I digress..

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
Does the "worthless lump of dog shit" stay because that is what she actually thinks about herself?


Or himself… I knew a man who always looks so full of self-hatred after a scene. I had a hard time pumping up the humiliation with him because I felt he internalised it way too much. And I can dish it out and I have done so successfully and have gained the respect of more then one who was in awe – reducing to worthless, yeah… but to shit, no. But with this submissive, I had a hard time… Eventually I had to end things and I told him why. I think that made him feel worse unfortunately.

Good topic Leonidas. You’ll be surprised I agree with you too this time.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 5:29:41 PM   
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Hmmm...I am going to assume this is a serious inquiry and respond in a very personal way.


M. Taggard-

A brilliant deconstruction of your drives, and one that speaks to me personally. Thank you.

Stay warm,
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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 5:32:24 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		I guess that as with many other aspects of this lifestyle, there is no one way. It could be that this woman enjoys being called a worthless lump of dogshit. She may enjoy being seen that way in her Masters' eyes.
Reading Dreads' post reminded me that I do tell my slave that she is an animal. Especially when she is made to play with herself. I don't think calling her worthless would have the same effect. But in the case of this other slave, that may turn her on immensely.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 5:32:45 PM   
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I am not sure it has anything to do with altruism. I think, perhaps they just simply need/enjoy it as much as I do.


...And perhaps, Mirroring your earlier observations, they need to feel that they CAN be weak and wothless, and still you won't leave...

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 5:50:39 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		It is obvious that You relate one incidence with the whole of the S/M
community and Our kinks and do not like it that a preditor has used
Our Lifestyles kinks to gain a bad ending. That is not Your fault nor
anyones here nor would changing ones desire to be talked to in a way
thats less then normal to society as a whole does not make all of Us whom
do such killers. Many more preditors and killers of Woman are those whom are all to normal looking and speak with tongues of sugar.

hm ethics in practices not accepted
by society as a whole.
NOw that is a Interesting concept.
Whipping is a sadistic action when
done for pleasure. Receiveing such
for same is masocistic. Know Your SnM.

Why ThankYou Taggard
Im surprised anyone noticed.
and wholly agree with most all
You said...except I think My kinks
to be normal and societys blandness
to be abnormal... and by the way
I think My posessions to be of great
value even when I call them shit for brains
Ive never used the dog shit one,Ive gotta
remember it..................giggles
but then again those whom know
Me know this fact......

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 5:56:54 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		Huh? Um, could we get a translator in here? Does anyone speak Dread?

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:07:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have always been amazed at how many different kinks all get lumped into large categories labeld BDSM, or D/s...or in the vanilla world "Pervese" it does make me wonder though when someone who obviously enjoys some of these activities judges someone else who does different ones of them..."Oh my" says the Sadist "I can't believe you could be made to wear womens clothing! how degrading is that!"....replies the cross dresser " Oh how sick it is for you to casue phisical pain to another living person!". Isn;t it just about what two or more people enjoy? The common threads are consentual and whatever else we determine our individual limitations are.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:10:54 PM   
MistressDREAD


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good show!!

Im going to address one quote here I over looked
earlier but I feel I need to address now.....
quote:

if you could make a perfect world by torturing one innocent creature to death, would you?

I did this when I went to war and inocents were killed for the
concept that We were making the world better so if You asked Me
this question I will have to say yes I would on that presept to your question torture the innocent to death to make the world more perfect for the masses. Is not this the concept of sacrificing the few for the many?
But even haveing done this I do not look at those that were tortured
to death as being worthless and I llook at their deaths as having value.
Does that make any sence to You? Or can You not fathom a Sadist whom thinks this way?? Maybe not as I do not seem to hold any value as You would quwibble and state but I think there are others whom would differ, I know I do..

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:14:45 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		Instead we will judge people who can't spell or make a point.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:17:22 PM   
jillwfsub4blkdom


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Status: offline 		Leonidas,
i think there is one thing about humiliation in regards to when it is coming from a sexual context where it could be stimulating. i find it a totally different thing when coming from anything else. Yes i would find it damaging to one's self esteem and extremely hurtful coming from one's Master.

jill

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:46:29 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Wha Leonidas
You dont speak american?
Ill tell You like I told
sub4hire, dont like My
opinions theres a little
red hand in the bottom
left corner where You can
ban a persons comments.
She made a referance to it
on this thread I beleive.


I sure dont come here to
spell right nor make points
Estring but to give My opinons
and express My experiance of
That which is Alternate. Doesent
everyone?


I know there are many who would
like to NOT have to face those of Us
whom seem to be more different then
most or more kinkie then most or really
extreamly weird but all I can say to You is:
TO BAD!!

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:49:16 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		I agree with you jill. I kind of made that distinction above when I talked about "talking dirty" during play, as opposed to saying something like that to a slave, and meaning it. I agree with you too that your master would be just about the ideal person to destroy your self esteem by calling you things like that.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:50:48 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		Dread I know you think we all hang on your every word, but my comments were to Passionate Nights, not you.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:58:18 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		hahaha I do?hmm
hang huh?
actually Your words
came after Mine
hence My thoughts
that they were towards
Me. I dident see any names
mentioned. Look up the
thread and You will see Your
words after Mine which
made Me think they were
towards Me after comments.
That is all. JMO

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 6:59:14 PM   
jillwfsub4blkdom


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Status: offline 		hmmmm, maybe W/we can agree to disagree on things and not make it personal. (in response to the entire thread)

jill

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 7:48:18 PM   
Leonidas


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Or himself… I knew a man who always looks so full of self-hatred after a scene. I had a hard time pumping up the humiliation with him because I felt he internalised it way too much.


A fine example of taking what you do seriously. I wish it was more common.

By the way, I swear I'm not purposely excluding the F/m situation in my posts, and I really don't mean any slight by it. I'm from a male dominanted corner of the D/s galaxy, but I really don't intend to negate or belittle folks who swing the other way. As I said somewhere else, a world full of dominant men would probably make life brutal, and short.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

< Message edited by Leonidas -- 7/28/2004 7:52:10 PM >

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 7:48:27 PM   
MrThorns


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Status: offline 		This doesn't happen very often, but I find myself in agreement with Dread. I don't get into heavy verbal humiliation very often, but I have done it..and we both found it pleasureable. To call a girl a dirty little slut, for many of us, is a term of affection. To call a girl a worthless little lump of shit who is wasting my oxygen...a fat tub of fuckmeat...for some...this is very pleasureable, even though it is degrading and humiliating.

I too, believe in building self esteem and heightening a slave's awareness of her worth, but I also believe that humiliation like this...can assist in a slave realizing her value. I believe that by providing a safe, loving environment and introducing some very harsh humiliation... doors open up for some people. Maybe a long term issue can be resolved. Some may see this as a form of therapy.

As with all edge play...and I believe that this harsh, verbal humiliation is a form of edge play... a lot of communication needs to take place, before engaging.

Bottom line, wether it is done for pleasure...or to dig deep within the psyche and overcome some "block" or another.. people engage in harsh verbal humiliation and like it.

~Thorns

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 7:51:18 PM   
sub4hire


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PassionateNights

I have always been amazed at how many different kinks all get lumped into large categories labeld BDSM, or D/s...or in the vanilla world "Pervese" it does make me wonder though when someone who obviously enjoys some of these activities judges someone else who does different ones of them..."Oh my" says the Sadist "I can't believe you could be made to wear womens clothing! how degrading is that!"....replies the cross dresser " Oh how sick it is for you to casue phisical pain to another living person!". Isn;t it just about what two or more people enjoy? The common threads are consentual and whatever else we determine our individual limitations are.


It is a bit more than judging another person. It is a case of mental health. Same as when Iwill post's his "eat me" article.
It is what is sane vs insane.
Degrading comments that are designed to be hurtful can actually drive a person to suicide especially if it is someone you think loves you.
Rips apart the self esteem.
As Leonodis said once again. Its truly a different story when it is clearly stated it is for fun.
Sad thing is, many do not call names for fun.

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 8:00:11 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		Hi Thorns,

If you are setting up a context for it, and not saying it because that is what you truly think (the premise of this thread), I think that's a different ballgame. "Get up that fucking hill you slimey little piece of tadpole shit" sayeth one of my BUDS instructors on a fine morning in March many moons ago. I was in a context where that kind of abuse hurled my way was absolutely to be expected. I was also a man with a pretty fucking strong self-image to be there in the first place. Did it damage my self-esteem? Not one bit. I got my ass up the hill though. As they say, context is everything.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Worthless - 7/28/2004 8:10:27 PM   
Sinergy


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a world full of dominant men would probably make life brutal, and short.


I suppose this would consist of an abbreviated sense of brutality different than the way the majority of the world currently operates in?

But on the topic at hand. Humiliation play is not something I have much experience or interest in, but I am enjoying reading what other people have posted.

Regards,

Sinergy

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