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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:37:31 AM   
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NASCAR is a sport born from criminal activity: the 'shine runners of the prohibition era. It attracts some of the most disreputable examples of humanity you can find.  



Hey!! My family hails from the hills along the Ohio River just across from West Virginia. My great grandfather had a still  - until my grandfather moved him to Detroit. When I was young, my grandfather would tell me all about how to make whiskey and all that. They were great family stories. My grandfather tended to go "pick up a few" during prohibition by going to Canada through the St. Clair Straits. Oh yea... he was also a bookie for a while.

However, he wasn't disreputable. He was opportunistic and like so many people of that era, didn't follow a law they didn't understand. In fact, history in this part of the world shows that most people with a boat during those times tended to go "pick up a few" from across the lake and rivers.

The folks who were disreputable were the ones who thought they'd take it over. Most of the families around here though have in their family history, a rum runner or two...it was just the way things were back then on the lake here in MI.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:42:24 AM   
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Don't think I really have to say this but I am still madly in love with You ...enjoy your lunch with the Kittin,if your people can work it out with her people

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:46:08 AM   
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One of us *must* get a private plane or something mike, so we can all hang....maybe kittin is holding out on us and she has one?
Cuz you just know she is a first class kind of girl.  *and probably a member of the mile high club..shhhhh. she is around here somewhere. 



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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:47:29 AM   
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Good Morning.  I was in a chat room a few minutes ago, and someone compared a driver to the legondaru Dale Earnhardt.  For those of you who are not aware of late Dale Earnhardt, beware that if you come down South, you may still see people flying the #3 flag.  His contribution to stock car racing is legondary.
If you ever mention that name down South in a negative manner, it could cause you some embarrasement.
I believe at one time he was on Forbes top 100 list and only made it to the seventh grade.
The man could drive a stock car.
Just some thoughts.
 
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now see whatcha gone and done..... you opened up a big can o worms given credit to a man that was an excellent race car driver. your mistake was ropin all southerners in the same catagory as lovin' racing.  it is a southern tradition but as you can see, most here aren't proud of what sets us a little apart from the rest of the nation. 

i guess i missed the part where you said he contributed much to the world as others seem to be believins you said!   i read it as racin' just like you meant it!    sheesh... and don't you know baby that the northerners are even more proud of their racing teams and racing, that's why they hold 'em so often.  oops sorry... i think they are more into hockey.  not that i know a flip about that except that i always enjoyed Gretsky (sp?). 

i've always enjoyed watching the "greats" but not necessarily the sports themselves. just to name a couple, Pele was awesome.  Jordan was awesome.  Even the Golden Bear got my attention.  i love to watch greatness.  i love to watch people excel.  most people aren't like me, apparently.

people need to get a grip.  racing did start in the south.  yes, it started when prohibition reared it's ugly  head.  a much better tradition by far and one to be so proud of apparently.

blues, is a southern tradition.... let's jump shit about that as well, shall we, i know not everyone likes that either! 

  

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:49:33 AM   
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I was talking about the passion that drove him to achieve his goals. Say what you will...i admire that.


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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:55:06 AM   
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NASCAR is a sport born from criminal activity: the 'shine runners of the prohibition era. It attracts some of the most disreputable examples of humanity you can find.  


Bipolarber, You are a poster I like and admire and respect, however, your bigotry is showing right now, Sir.
Prohibition was such a popular, well recieved 'law-of-the-land' that it is the only case in history of an amendment to the constitution of the United States being overturned by the people.
It was illegeal. Since it was illegeal, there were certainly going to be some disreputable or oertunistic people involved. That does not, however, mean that shine runners, in general, were any of those things.
Sex work is illegeal in our society now. I have some good friends, wonderful people, who are sex workers. Being illegeal does not in and of itself make something wrong - the law can also be wrong. Much of what we do is illegeal. That does not make you a disreputable example of humanity - although the country is full of people who would disagree with that.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:55:38 AM   
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oh for fucks sake!  i live in the south and another southern tradition seems to be being afraid of uttering anything negative about president bush,  the bandido's and things as silly as grits...



How dare you!  How DARE YOU!!!  I'm from Canada, and I feel very, very strongly about grits 
Mmmmm, boiled buttered shards of corn ...
;-)

As to Earnhardt, as you wait at the pumps, think that each Nascar event only from flag to flag burns 3000 gallons of gas [40 cars per field, 5 miles/gallon].
Imagine explaining that to aliens visiting us.  'Um, he . . . drove too fast on the same little oval track over and over and over, and one day he went splat, so now he's a demigod.'  
As slaveboy said, it's the guy who spends his life saving babies from polio or woman who risks her life teaching girls to read who are the true messiahs, not a wanker with a big toy. 
Besides, anything that depends on a machine isn't a true sport, anyway. 
But at least Nascar is a phase, like polo, or cock-fighting.  What's next?  I'm still waiting for jai alai to catch on internationally; now THERE's speed, and a real southern sport.  Or is that too far south for them?

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 10:00:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Although I don't share SB's disdain for NASCAR, I cannot disagree with his position.

I don't see what the big deal is when a celebrity dies. You didn't know them, they were not your kinfolk. People cried when JFK got shot, why ?

But FYI NASCAR is about alot more than driving around in a circle. They are comstantly doing research about every aspect of driving machines, from the suspension, steering geometry, gear ratios and of course the engine. Racing professionals have done more to make your car safer, faster and handle better than the auto manufacturers.

But all you generally see is the driver. There is some skill involved. It is more than just driving around in a circle, it takes stategy and balls to win a race. It is like getting ahead of a traffic jam, and the other drivers are worse than drivers on the highway who won't let you pass, that is their job. You have to see the opening and take it, and put it right in their face, or fender as it were. You crash me, you might crash too, so get the fuck out of the way. It is a contest, and like any other there are risks.

But what you don't see is the hundreds of professionals who built the car, the implement used in the competition. There are so many restrictions on displacement, weight and other things that when those engineers get a few more HP out of it, or improve the suspension/steering system ever so slightly, that can help win a race. That is if the driver is able to pull it off.

They are a team, but not all of them actually take the risk. Therefore they don't get the headlines. I knew a guy (now deceased) who worked for big daddy Don Garlitz. That was no clain to fame in my book. Interesting to note, but that's all. The things he told me about it, the driver is somewhat like the quarterback in football. He can't play the game alone. And when the new camshaft comes in from the heat treater at nine PM you work at night. You have that engine torn down by the time the truck arrives, and you work until the new cam is in, then it gets put on the dynomometer and if the cam outperforms the old one you get to go home. Otherwise you stay and put the old one back in.

And I know that a stock car is anything but. It is a fiberglass shell on top of the frame, but it must meet the design specifications of whatever body style is chosen. Nothing underneath bears any resemblence to a "stock" car.

I have no love for celebrities. Even George Carlin. But NASCAR and the other racing organisations have contributed alot to modern automobile technology. You have them to thank when you punch your car and pass that truck just in time to not be a spot on the wall. When you come up on something stranded in the road and steer clear of it just barely in time to avoid an accident, same people.

If you're old enough to remember how cars were you can appreciate this alot more. I was born in 1960, but I did get a chance to drive a 1950 Chevy. It's a pain in the fucking ass. Crankomatic steering, not properly compensated for any tilt in the road, and wind blowing it all over the place. And then you are dealing with an unsynchronized transmission which means you either double clutch or you really have to know what you're doing. Back then you didn't let the kids drive simply because they couldn't do it.

But now you get in the car at zero degrees, it flick starts and you can drive right away. You put your coffee or beer in the cupholder and rock out of the pile of snow. When you get on the main road it is all wet, but you can have some measure of confidence because technology makes it so the steering is right, and if you lose some traction it is usually easily regained. This is all technology folks, and a bunch of it comes from the research done for racing.

I am not a fan of NASCAR, or actually of anything else. I give reverence to nothing, it is just what they do. They do it for money. But I do give credit where credit is due. We would not have what we have without NASCAR and a few others.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 10:05:13 AM   
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How dare you!  How DARE YOU!!!  I'm from Canada, and I feel very, very strongly about grits  Mmmmm, boiled buttered shards of corn ... ;-)


typical Yank. Boiled buttered shards of DRIED corn which has had its husks removed and been softened in an alinline bath before being either rehydrated into Hominy or grated into tiny dots of Grits...
Amazing to me, the Yank friends I have who HATE HATE HATE will not touch with a ten foot pole Grits, but just LOVE Risotto. I like Risotto, too... but grits are more bettererer. And can be made in just as many configurations....
Cheese Grits
Jalopino Grits
Sundried Tomato Grits
Counrty Ham Grits
Shrimp Grits....

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 10:22:50 AM   
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First a disclaimer I have never liked Nascar and will never spend my time watching race cars speeding around an oval.....But all the same this is a rather wide brush you are painting with here.As a recent transplant to the south,I for one have met many a Nascar fan that would not fit into your rather narrow minded viewpoint.


He said "go to a NASCAR event". I had a passing interest in NASCAR up until Richard Petty retired. I've attended races at Atlanta, Talladega and Bristol. The Atlanta crowds were pretty mild but since there are only about seven remaining native Atlantans (I am an 'immigrant', aslo) that didn't surprise me. Talladega was sort of middle of the road. Bristol was another story. I expected to hear banjo music at any time. We left the event early due to the nature of the crowd and watched the end of the race from the hotel. The demographics might be different at Dover, Pocono or Brookyn, Michigan but bipolarber's description - while over the top - is not entirely without merit.




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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:02:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe I'm not entitled to comment having only grown up in the south and having ancestors in the deep south for more than 200 years but here goes, Nascar bores me to tears. Every time I've been around people watching it either live or on TV it became depressingly apparent that the 'serious' fans mostly were watching to see the crashes. I'm sure there are fans who really follow the strategy but I've never met one.


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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:04:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I don't see what the big deal is when a celebrity dies. You didn't know them, they were not your kinfolk. People cried when JFK got shot, why "quote by termyn8or
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Am I to understand you do not see reason to mourn when the Elected President of your country is removed from office by a bullit fired from a whacko's gun.Putting aside the personal tragedy of father ,husband,son,brother sort of thing or the relative youth of the man.Strictly has an Ameican it did not offend you that the judgement of the ballot-box was supplanted by a bullit....You have my sympathy,for you seem to have misplaced your humanity

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:26:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Besides, if you want a REAL race, one that pushes the limits of engineering, and the driver's skills... try the Grand Prix. Those cars are as engineered as a space probe. If you are a regular viewer of the BBC's Top Gear, you'll remember the episode where Richard Hammond attempted to get a GP car around the track twice... First, they had to heat the engine... because they are made to such close tolerances, that the motor is essentially seized until you do so... then, the tires had to be heated, because at the speeds this car travels, if you don't, they fly apart from being too stiff for the tremendous forces being applied to them. It took Hammond (no slouch behind the wheel) several tries just to get the thing out of the pit without the onboard computer shutting things down because of relatively poor driving skills.

Dale was a nice guy. I'd bet I wouldn't have minded hanging' around him. It was a terrible shame that he died so early. But I'm still of the opinion that his sport of choice, NASCAR, is rubbish. (As I've just said, it's not even the tops in rubbish... which is my opinion of auto racing in general.)  I don't much care for any kind of auto racing... but it seems to me that one where there are both left and right turns, and the average speed is in the 270 to 280 MPH range beats the hell out of clunky, slower than hell, turn in one direction only NASCAR. 

I guess I just don't have the "southern gene" that lets me get all lathered up about this sort of thing. I'll never BE a southerner. I don't like deep fried food, and I don't like being racist. I celebrate MLK day, and not Robert E. Lee Day. Although I know how to hunt, I just don't get all excited about that either...(to me, it's something to do when you don't have the money to buy meat)... fishing is nice though, really peaceful... and I love bluegrass music. I don't like beer, and I don't slap women around (nonconsentually). So I just dont fit in down here all that well.



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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:39:18 AM   
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I guess I just don't have the "southern gene" that lets me get all lathered up about this sort of thing. I'll never BE a southerner. I don't like deep fried food, and I don't like being racist. I celebrate MLK day, and not Robert E. Lee Day. Although I know how to hunt, I just don't get all excited about that either...(to me, it's something to do when you don't have the money to buy meat)... fishing is nice though, really peaceful... and I love bluegrass music. I don't like beer, and I don't slap women around (nonconsentually). So I just dont fit in down here all that well.


You know bipolar I was agreeing with you for awhile, until you wrote the above.  I hate to break it to you but men all over the country drink beer and smack their old ladies around.  I've also never been in any state in the country where people weren't eating deep fried food.  Racism is pretty universal too, it exists everywhere. 

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:42:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		And again with the generlizations,do you really believe the men down here in general are slapping their woman around on commercial breaks.(from the race of course)Bipolerber you really need to get a grip....you not only insult every man south of the Mason-Dixon line but Southern Lady's en masse...who apparently stand around and wait for their smack

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:46:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I never understood why we hold so high stars and people of sports. The real heroes are the men and women that fight for our nation and for others freedom. The real heroes are their families the scrimp and save and don't get to see them everyday. The real heroes are the men and women that put on a badge every day and lay their lives on the line. What about the firefighters and what they do? Heroes are the people that deserve my respect and admiration. They are everyday Heroes that don't get the pay they deserve or the pat on the back for what they do.

In case you were wondering i don't have the above job nor do i have any family in the above profession.

Hero in my book is the person that unselfishly puts themselves on the line or does something to impact the lives of others by helping them get out of the situation they are in. For example: teach somebody to read, build a schoolhouse in a different country, helps feed the poor. There are many Heroes out there.

A Hero can even be somebody that mentors you and helps you when you are down. It can be a parent or teacher or anybody, even a stranger.

For those that are Heroes: the men and women in uniform (as mentioned above) they deserve more pay and respect.

No offense to those that did what they did well i just feel sometimes our outlook at things are skewered.  IMHO


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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:53:56 AM   
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Now PGA on the other hand....now that's an exciting sport to watch. 

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 12:13:41 PM   
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......i know sod all about NASCAR, i know precisely one thing about it and that's from a joke....

(how do you run away from a NASCAR fan? turn right.)

......nevertheless, a couple of posters have not seen the point of respecting this departed race car driver. Yup, driving a car round a track wont cure any diseases or create world peace, but....so what?
There are millions and millions of us. We all have our gifts and skills. All we can ask of ourselves if that we use those gifts and skills in the most positive way we can. Giving people pleasure is a laudable aim. What's wrong with honouring the man as a great entertainer?

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 1:18:06 PM   
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......i know sod all about NASCAR, i know precisely one thing about it and that's from a joke....

(how do you run away from a NASCAR fan? turn right.)

......nevertheless, a couple of posters have not seen the point of respecting this departed race car driver. Yup, driving a car round a track wont cure any diseases or create world peace, but....so what?
There are millions and millions of us. We all have our gifts and skills. All we can ask of ourselves if that we use those gifts and skills in the most positive way we can. Giving people pleasure is a laudable aim. What's wrong with honouring the man as a great entertainer?


Not a darn thing.. but when you start to get up in arms with someone else for NOT thinking the way you do about that entertainer, it's about time to put into perspective what you're getting all angry about.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 1:23:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		My youngest son is a NASCAR fan. I understand the strategy part pretty well.... drive really, really fast, turn left. Repeat. Got it.

He may have our predilications, I don't know yet, He got caught on some of our kind of websites as a teen. Other than that, He treats women with respect, opens doors and such. Drives too fast. Eats his steak well done, with ranch dressing on it. Enjoys Thia food, Ethopian food, Vietnamese food, Brazilian food. REads a lot, plays a lot of Wii. Does not exhibit a prejudiced bone in his body, towards religion, race, color, creed, gender, sexual prefrence, or anything else I can see. Shows respect for his Elders. Cuts the grass for his grandparents, says 'Yes, Ma'am' and 'No, Sir'. Currently, is off serving his counrty as an Active Duty Marine. Plans to be Career Marine. Dresses neatly, doesn't mind getting dirty. His attitude towards nutrition is 'Eat what you want and burn it off.' Plays a mean game of basketball, runs as a hobby.
Does he fit the NASCAR sterotype or not? What good are sterotypes, exactly?

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