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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 5:45:24 PM

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Rhi,

Correct. (That, and the "History of NASCAR" that was on the History channel last year. It was a slow, boring, Sunday afternnon, when there was nothing else on, when I caught it.) At Thad will tell you, I love playing fast and loose with my facts... :)

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 5:53:06 PM

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Rhi,

Correct. (That, and the "History of NASCAR" that was on the History channel last year. It was a slow, boring, Sunday afternnon, when there was nothing else on, when I caught it.) At Thad will tell you, I love playing fast and loose with my facts... :)

Sometimes... Though when you are in your right state of mind

, you are more than willing to admit mistakes. Which I respect.

Just to touch on your point about the statistics of domestic violence... The last map I saw that broke it down state by state, did show higher levels of homicides down south and out west. http://www.silentwitness.net/assets/2000_gifs/USA_out_GA.gif There may be update info, but I am too lazy to look for it.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 6:00:45 PM

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Increased homicides out west I can believe! One of the reasons my wife and I moved here from Denver was the fact that the crime rate in that city jumped massively in the last 5 years we were living there... murders went from 30 or so each year citywide... to almost 20 in our own little neighborhood! When a next door neighbor was violently raped, that was when we decided to move...

It was disconcerting to go from living with that, (and being within a few miles of Columbine HS), to moving out here where we see kids walking down the road with rifles slung on their shoulders during hunting season.... a bit of a freaky disconnect.

I'd really like to see figures on non-gun related violence though... It just seems to me that people like getting into fights more here than back in the west. I'd like to know if that feeling is something real, or if I'm just seeing things.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 6:05:35 PM

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I believe that site also keeps track of state by state statitistics on domestic violence... If not I think there is a federal website that would have the info.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 6:47:26 PM

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( and how in the fuck did they get associated with Nascar.. boy that jumped the shark in logic. )

Because that is the history of Nascar. The first Stockcar racers were runners who would race each other in their free time, betting on it, showing off their skill and their tricked out cars. It is not a shameful history, it is a proud one. Many sports have closet histories like this, and I for one think it is fascinating and they should be proud of it.
I am from KY. In the 'sport of kings', the first and best jockeys were often slaves. There is a long history of wonderfully talented Black jockeys.

Bipolarber, I was all prepared to go on defending my beloved south - here I am set for a good arguement -

that has really been my idea of fun, l8ly, for some reason - and you want to go and get all reasonable on me! Damn!

You do know that I am bipolar as all hell, too, right?

so, I feel for ya'. Hope you are feeling more level soon.

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(I do hope people that know me, know that I am kidding, but just in case I am putting in this disclaimer IT WAS A JOKE).

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What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?
Nothing, you already told the bitch twice.
(repeating Thadius's disclaimer....)

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 6:57:13 PM

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I think that is part of the reason we keep the big screen away from the kitchen, that way she doesn't have an excuse for getting in the way.

Or how do you turn a dishwasher into a snow thrower?

Hand the her a shovel.

To the side topic at hand though, there have been no studies showing that watching sports is directly responsible for domestic violence. Although some "interesting" groups have attempted to imply there is. Remember the claims about higher incidents of domestic violence occuring during the Super Bowl, a few years back...

Sipping a beer, watching the race replay, and beating the slave, (just doing my part to help propagate the stereotype)

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 8:08:37 PM

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I think it's more of a case of testosterone poisoned men being attracted to highly competative sports... and, going hand in hand with the increased hormone levels, is the increased agression, and violence prone behaviors... short temper, irrationality, etc.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 8:13:27 PM

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I think it's more of a case of testosterone poisoned men being attracted to highly competative sports... and, going hand in hand with the increased hormone levels, is the increased agression, and violence prone behaviors... short temper, irrationality, etc.

I am the exception that proves the rule then... I am anything but violent (unless required). I love all sports (yes I will even watch tennis), hunting, and have participated in many contact sports.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 8:16:27 PM

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Don't know if I can buy this with out some solid evidence,I know my own father had no time for sports but sure did like smacking mom around,on the other hand I rarely miss a big sport's event...yet I would rather cut my hand off than raise it in anger torwards a woman or a child...just me and obviously disproves nothing

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:32:09 PM

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I appreciate everyone's comment on this subject that was respectful. In order to understand and appreciate the incredible talent he had, you would need to study the sport and its effect on the South.
Some people in the South would do some unpleasant things to you if you said something about the man named Dale.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 9:35:32 PM

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I still like The King better, and no I am not referring to Elvis.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 10:51:37 PM

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BTW if you're going to bash NASCAR for starting out with illegal booze, I'm waiting for the equal time for the Rum Running Kenedy Clan bashing to come. LOL
(Not a NASCAR fan myself seems I'm the only one in my birth family that's not.)
Which leads me to the busting of the demografic information again 5 people One Master's degree in social work, an Electrical Engineer, a BS, and 2 Associates between the 5 of us. and I'm the biggest beer lover (micro brewery lover).
Although little brother's love of the sport is understandable most of all, he's a dealership mechanic transmission specialist.

As to spousal abuse I would look for a correlation between per capita poverty and abuse, before I looked at region the event happened.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/27/2008 11:02:39 PM

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How dare you! How DARE YOU!!! I'm from Canada, and I feel very, very strongly about grits Mmmmm, boiled buttered shards of corn ... ;-)

typical Yank. Boiled buttered shards of DRIED corn which has had its husks removed and been softened in an alinline bath before being either rehydrated into Hominy or grated into tiny dots of Grits...
Amazing to me, the Yank friends I have who HATE HATE HATE will not touch with a ten foot pole Grits, but just LOVE Risotto. I like Risotto, too... but grits are more bettererer. And can be made in just as many configurations....
Cheese Grits
Jalopino Grits
Sundried Tomato Grits
Counrty Ham Grits
Shrimp Grits....

(Imagine Forest Gump's friends Bubba's voice here....)

I Meant: I luuuuurve grits. Discovered them in pre-deluvian New Orleans.
I buy the Quaker ones when I can find it up here, and as I attempted to communicate, like 'em just with milk, salt and butter.

And that's Uber-yank, being even more northerer.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/28/2008 9:27:05 PM

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I always appreciated the way that DE treated his fans. NASCAR bores me to tears most days but I always liked DE. He knew that the fans were what put him on that track and that without them the tracks would close.
Most high profile sports stars could learn from his example. Too often you see guys out on that field who don't give a damn about anything but the money. That attitude is what tends to kill most sports for me. If I want to watch a bunch of snobbish rich assholes playing games, I can sit close to the country club golf course and watch the doctors and lawyers play with their balls.

If I get the chance to watch someone play with passion and show respect to their fans, I can enjoy nearly any sporting event.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/28/2008 11:41:33 PM

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Good Morning. I was in a chat room a few minutes ago, and someone compared a driver to the legondaru Dale Earnhardt. For those of you who are not aware of late Dale Earnhardt, beware that if you come down South, you may still see people flying the #3 flag. His contribution to stock car racing is legondary.
If you ever mention that name down South in a negative manner, it could cause you some embarrasement.
I believe at one time he was on Forbes top 100 list and only made it to the seventh grade.
The man could drive a stock car.
Just some thoughts.

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Being from Boston I enjoyed car racing every summer weekend at Norwood, Mass.
I've never been a big fan of Nascar but I'll watch it if Golf or Soccer is putting me to sleep on the t.v.
Dieing doing something you love is the way to go!
Sure, running into a burning building and dieing is more "noble" and selfless but none of us get to choose do we?
Nascar is uniquiely "American."
Sir Edmund Hillary was a wealthy aristcratic spoiled person but he climbed mount Everist. Some thought him a "hero."
Now "WRESTLING" is another matter entirely!

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/28/2008 11:43:13 PM

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Talk about hijacks, but this one is very subtle. We went from Earnhart to smacking your olady. That is a pretty good stretch.

You don't smack your olady for the same reason you don't smack your friends around, and anyone who doesn't understand that must be really dumb.

Want to know about someone else who was involved in the evelution of cars into what they are today ? Ross Perot. And without Henry Ford it is doubtful that any of it wopuld ever work. But someone else would have figured it out and then they would be credited with what he got.

Speaking of which, Ford would be no more dead now if he never achieved what he did. Remember that if you find yourself neglecting family for financial goals.

Some adore, others villify. Why ? They did what they did. This was instrumental in my growing up. I know the traits of alot of different races, and I just chalk it up to what they do. That is what they do. Same with celebrities. They do what they do.They got their break and got a crack at being rich. What would you do ?

Dale was good, I woulda raced him, and probably lost. But so what. Jealousy begets hate, and I do not participate.

Some people seem to have a hatred for others that is based on the fact that they happen to have a job that puts them in the public's eye. Of course others have a love for the same people, and it boils down to this, I see no reason for either.

Why do you have to have an emotion for every goddamn thing in the world ? Let it be, it is how it is, why do people invoke their love or hate over stupid shit like this ?

Maybe I am more different than I thought, because I doubt I have even felt anger five times in the last decade. Maybe I am that different. Maybe I need to be beamed up. Scotty, ENERGIZE.

Earnhart did his job well, and did it in the public eye, there will be at the very least some notoreity because of that. He was not a hero, nor even a leader of any sort that I know of. Yeah, JFK died, people cried, well my Grandma died, are you in mouning ? In other words who the fuck cares. I don't.

What I am saying is that I didn't know him. If he hadn't got himself on the TV screen I would never know who he was. So he died, big deal. What is going to happen to people when Steven Seagall dies, or them other people who people love so much ? The whole subject makes me want to puke.

Misplace your love, or even your affection, you might lose it.

The closest I have ever in my life come to having a hero, it was Mr Spock in the original Star Trek. With calm and cool collected thoughts, he saved the day again and again. What pro racers do, to meit is just what they do. It's their job, nothing more nothing less. Football, baseball players and shit like that, I could not care less.

And don't accuse me of this hijack.you made it happen. If Bush showed up at my house right now I would not be nice. I would give him a beer and address him just like I do anyone. His position means nothing to me. I have actually known a couple of people over the years who were "something" and they appreciated how I was, how up front and fuck you I was. Everybody else in their life was a yesman.

And the fact that we have a show called American Idol incenses me to no end. Fuck them all. Earnhart, what the fuck do I care ? Apparently his family is alright, and if they are not, too bad. Find somebody else. You didn't care about me decades ago when I was living under a bush in frint of a church, why should I care about you ?

I don't hate them, hate does not exist for me, but I do not care about them, not in the least. Anyone famous, you enjoyed the ride up, now enjoy the ride down. And if they die, they are lucky if they died when they were on top.

I definitely agree with SB here, sympathy level, none. None needed. He died as one of the leaders in his field, I could not ask for more. He was respected in hid field of endevor and did well. What the rest of us think does not mean shit really. He excelled in his field, but I know a guy who can build you a brick house in about two fucking days.

So who is better ? My bricklayer or your celebrity ?

I could go on all night, but I will stop now.

T

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/28/2008 11:45:36 PM

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BTW if you're going to bash NASCAR for starting out with illegal booze, I'm waiting for the equal time for the Rum Running Kenedy Clan bashing to come. LOL
(Not a NASCAR fan myself seems I'm the only one in my birth family that's not.)
Which leads me to the busting of the demografic information again 5 people One Master's degree in social work, an Electrical Engineer, a BS, and 2 Associates between the 5 of us. and I'm the biggest beer lover (micro brewery lover).
Although little brother's love of the sport is understandable most of all, he's a dealership mechanic transmission specialist.

As to spousal abuse I would look for a correlation between per capita poverty and abuse, before I looked at region the event happened.

LOL! And they're still drinking "the product" that made old Joe rich!
"Patches! Get Daddy another drink!"
"What do you think you're doing here!"

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/28/2008 11:45:57 PM

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Bigoted are we?

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People who die from masturbatory self strangulation also die from their passion...

NASCAR is a sport born from criminal activity: the 'shine runners of the prohibition era. It attracts some of the most disreputable examples of humanity you can find.

How does the old sayin' go? As rare as hen's teeth? Here's something even more rare: go to a NASCAR event, and try to pick out the woman in the stands who DOESN'T have a black eye... Or the guy who isn't drunk on beer, and looks like some "townie" character from a Stephen King novel...

Thanks, but no thanks. You're welcome to your gasoline and testosterone powered bread and circuses.

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RE: A Southern Tradition! - 7/29/2008 2:04:05 AM

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My primary boy's father is absolutely NASCAR obsessed. We're talkin model cars in boxes on shelves, mounted on the walls, packed into storage containers, etc. He knows all about the different drivers and their stats. And spends every weekend with a race on the TV parked in front of the screen.

I just don't get it. But hey, it is his hobby and makes him happy.

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