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Aynne -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 2:48:32 PM)

Thank you mike....but I really meant that not in a bitchy way. I think Alumbrado is actually very intelligent, I just have this wierd thing that I want to get into his mind and dig around......I am a curious kitty. [;)] 


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Alumbrado, I am genuinely curious. You seem to play devil's advocate in ohhhh 99.99999% of posts. I cannot figure out who you support, what side you are on, and what trips your trigger. Just my teeny little two cents. Feel free to snark or ignore, or answer if you wish.[&:] .

Well once again the Lady has asked the right question...I think I will kick back and await an answer...though I won't hold my breath...




Aynne -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 2:51:56 PM)

lol....I love you two. [:)]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

That is the order of things




slvemike4u -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:02:03 PM)

Aynne he is intelligent,but I question what he believes in...it would seem for all his intelligence the only lesson he has learned is to trust nothing and no one ....sad




Aynne -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:08:59 PM)

I know what you mean Mike. I think that even though we are all *realists* to a point, you have to believe in something, even if it is clouded with doubt a bit. I hope that I never become so jaded that I don't.  




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:09:19 PM)

What i dont understand is this. How did Obama "Up the stakes" in replying to a personal attack, surely the stakes had already been "Upped"

Im also curious as to why any politicians main platform seems to be to attack his opponent. Dont worry though, it seems to be heading that way here in the UK as well.




Alumbrado -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:14:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Alumbrado, I am genuinely curious. You seem to play devil's advocate in ohhhh 99.99999% of posts. I cannot figure out who you support, what side you are on, and what trips your trigger. Just my teeny little two cents. Feel free to snark or ignore, or answer if you wish.[&:] 





When it comes to politics, I am anti-politician.  That means I can't really have a 'side', and good luck finding someone I could support who has a snowball's chance.

That doesn't mean I have to accept business as usual without bitching about it. And it doesn't mean that any suggestion I may have for improvement has to be simplistic, or convenient.


I react badly and usually sarcastically to things that are fomenting ignorance and devisiveness, or which use appeals to the lowest common denominator.

I'm not joking when I keep telling people that it is a survival skill for me to be suspicious of the way certain notions are expressed and spread.  

As somone who's family was firebombed because we were the wrong color for the neighborhood, and who's grandmother was knifed to death in her sleep because she trusted someone, I have an intense dislike for people who think it is a knee jerk joke to accuse minorities of playing the race card when attacked.  Those are the ones who goad the bombers and lynchers into action.

As someone who was brought up in an ultra-liberal household, between angry campus radical prototype father and Jeffersonian freethinker mother and grandfather, I  have it ingrained in me to mistrust anyone with power. When I took part in protest actions, I really thought that the world was going to become a better place, because people would see the difference and move to embrace it...When I went into the military during Vietnam, it was because I didn't want someone else being taken in my place, since I had already debunked all the politicians claims of it being a good war...

As an adult, I found out quickly that liberals were just as bad as conservatives in their hypocrisy on power..and on race, liberty, dogma,  and so forth...remind me to tell you the story of the ACLU board member college professor who found out that a black prowler had been in her home, and screeched at the police who caught the guy to beat him up in front of her. 

I also have honed the 'what's wrong with this picture?' instinct to a higher level than most people.
As a social scientist by training and an avid student of history by avocation, it is my nature to suspiciously look for the reality behind the appearances of anything..especially anything popular.

I realize full well that for some people it is part of the online 'community', to recycle banter and soundbites, and accept that sort of stuff as discourse.

I'm skeptical, I place great value on things I can trust based on critical analysis, not mere labels... and I'm an iconoclast, I'm not drinking anyone's Koolaid, I find debunking a very worthwhile pursuit, and until the Mods get tired of it, I'll keep making sarcastic comments about a lot of things..




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:28:56 PM)

Alumbrado, sadly some people do play the race card whenever it suits them. It saddens me when they do, as it makes it harder to actually fight racism, by giving people the chance to say " See "  But it doesnt automatically mean that everyone who mentions it is a racist, some just see things as they are.




Aynne -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:30:31 PM)

Alumbrado that was a great post, thank you very much, it was above and beyond what I expected and very well done. Gave me a lot to think about.   

"As somone who's family was firebombed because we were the wrong color for the neighborhood, and who's grandmother was knifed to death in her sleep because she trusted someone, I have an intense dislike for people who think it is a knee jerk joke to accuse minorities of playing the race card when attacked.  Those are the ones who goad the bombers and lynchers into action. "

Especially this part. I am truly sorry to hear that A. How absolutely horrifying.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:42:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Firm,

Replace Republican with Dem, Maker's Mark with Tanqueray Sterling, and Fries with Obama, and we are in 100% agreement.

It sucks to do the lesser evil vote. [:-]    


Hmmm, rolling around in my head, there's something about offering you fries to go with that shake ... *scratches head*

Maybe on election day, we can drown our respective sorrows and see what Tanqueray and Makers tastes like mixed together? [8D][:D]

Firm






slvemike4u -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:44:04 PM)

Al my sympathies to your family.




Aynne -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:53:10 PM)

You know Firm, I post on a local message board too, and my very favorite people are the ones like you...don't go getting a big head[:)] but seriously, for people that have so many "percieved" differences, it is nice to be able to still be friendly..

Tanqueray and Maker's? You go first![;)]

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Firm,

Replace Republican with Dem, Maker's Mark with Tanqueray Sterling, and Fries with Obama, and we are in 100% agreement.

It sucks to do the lesser evil vote. [:-]    


Hmmm, rolling around in my head, there's something about offering you fries to go with that shake ... *scratches head*

Maybe on election day, we can drown our respective sorrows and see what Tanqueray and Makers tastes like mixed together? [8D][:D]

Firm







atursvcMaam -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:53:31 PM)

Obama: Because he can "hoodwink" so many at once.




Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:54:09 PM)

Now when it suits you, you claim that Bush is irrelevent?

Whatever happened to "McSame..."

Usually the Left is claiming that because he's "just like Bush" in so many ways, Obama's a great candidate. Now his one great achievement, kinda like Bush, is that he won his party's nomination?

Say... ever notice that Bush and Obama both kind of have that Alfred E. Neuman thing goin' on with the ears...

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Hmmm... I thought Bush was irrelevant, because he isn't running. Just quoting clord here.




philosophy -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 3:56:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Now when it suits you, you claim that Bush is irrelevent?



...nope, she's quoting the august CelticLord........do try to keep up......




Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 4:00:42 PM)


Quoting another or not, she's still mouthing the words.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Now when it suits you, you claim that Bush is irrelevent?



...nope, she's quoting the august CelticLord........do try to keep up......




philosophy -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 4:03:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Quoting another or not, she's still laying claim to the words.



...i went back to the original post to check......and guess what? You're wrong. Apparently all those suggestions that Americans don't understand irony are true....at least as far as you're concerned.




slvemike4u -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 4:04:18 PM)

So by quoting someone we lay claim to there words...hmmm,I have said some awful wise things in that case.




philosophy -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 4:08:50 PM)

In a rare appearance as a 'straight man', Oscar Wilde complimented James Whistler on a quip with the words, 'I wish I'd said that.' Whistler devastatingly replied, 'You will, Oscar, you will.'.................




Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 4:14:57 PM)

Doesn't matter how much you try to obfuscate the point. The chosen one, Obama, his greatest accomplishment to date is... winning his party's nomination?

Oh, I get the irony. That's okay, because... he's just like Bush...

And Bush is irrelevant.

Irony doesn't get any thicker than that, in my estimation!




slvemike4u -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (7/31/2008 4:21:31 PM)

And again Sanity you seem to miss the point,whether intentionally or not I have no idea.Let me try to make it clearer for you...CL(from your side of th aisle)made a statement that Obama is a man of no accomplishment ,Philo and myself pointed out that winning his party's nomination was in and of itself an accomplishment see how that was a rebuttal ....clear enough now?




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