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Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:38:38 AM   
samaraqzetax


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Status: offline 		Question I have is, is this: How supporting is the BDSM community towards, PASSABLE transgendered individuals? I'm not talking about those individuals who call themselves "cross dressers", "sissy boys", or anything else of the like, only true trans individuals, taking hormones and living and passing as their perceived gender full time, whether it be female or male. Secondly, would you be willing to develop a relationship with such a passable trans individual whether beyond simply "friends?
Please don't flame this post, as it is a ligitment question.


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:41:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fantastic thread here.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:44:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, I read through that one when I was searching prior to posting this topic. I simply wanted a more specific thread than the ones I saw in my search.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:47:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my experience,  Trans Gendered people are quite welcome in the life.  

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:50:54 AM   
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Fantastic thread here.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1860110



thats a shemale thread..shemales are NOT transgendered... they are men who get implants and sell their bodies in the sex biz.


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:51:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have had many trans friends during my life.  Some were BDSMers, some were not.  I see them purely as they present themselves, nothing more and nothing less.

I currently have one very dear friend that was born genetic male but is clearly female in all respects.  She is pre-op and has undergone hormone therapy for a few years now with now natural breasts, less body hair, higher pitched voice and less of an adam's apple.  She is not attracted to females so there would never be any reason for us to move beyond friendship.... altho, ocassional BDSM play is possible.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:51:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have met a few Transgendered people in this lifestyle,i see no reason not to accept them ,, judge not yet thee be judged

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:53:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm wondering at the distinction "passable" .. what does that mean?  I have many transgendered friends, including a roommate.  He lives his life as male, he's legally male actually.

In his experience, transgendered people are not generally welcome in leather or anywhere else.

We had a very in depth conversation about this last night.  There is no real place for him, in BDSM or otherwise.  He's not straight, although if anyone were to meet him, they'd think he was a straight man (he defines passable).  But he's queer, or as he says... "I'm just [insert his name here]."  He's kinda a gay man, but he likes women, but not straight women.  He's a leather guy so that matters to him, he's mostly a bottom.  He's got very little place in the straight community (he's not straight and he doesn't relate at all); gay men generally (although there are a very very few exceptions) don't want him and many in the lesbian community treat transmen as pariahs -- although we are getting better.  I know personally my views have changed a great deal over the last ten years.

Would I?  yes.. and passable doesn't matter at all to me... I'm not likely however to hookup with a transwoman.. but yes, to a transman...

why passable?  why not simply someone who is transgendered?

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:56:54 AM   
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why passable? why not simply someone who is transgendered?


i agree..i tend to notice the term passable as being associated with crossdressers and transvestites..but not transgendered.  a transgendered person doesnt generally care about being passable only about being themselves.


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:58:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Fantastic thread here.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1860110



thats a shemale thread..shemales are NOT transgendered... they are men who get implants and sell their bodies in the sex biz.



THANK YOU! "she-males" are not only a derogatory label used by uneducated individuals upon us TRUE trans individuals, but is also discriminatory! Most trans individuals, for the most part have dislike towards cross-dressers, sissy boys, ect of that type, as we are bunched into the same box as they are, which is incorrect.


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:58:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		i'm not getting the point of the OP i guess.  transgendered, bi, gay, straight, male, female, passable, not passable...who cares?  i've found that i like and accept a person into my life for who they are, not their sexual orientation or their gender.  as far as wanting a person for more than friendship, that depends on preferences and compatibility...it's going to be different for every person. 

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 9:58:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		good point.. you're right I think about that...

I find the term passable kind of negative

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 10:01:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can agree with that regarding "passable", however there are trans individuals who, no matter how hard they try, will never "pass". I simply mean to narrow down to a specific portion of the trans population in this post.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 10:02:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		actually shemale came about thru the porn industry way back in the 50's.
shemales also called lady boys usually exist in places like japan, china, thailand..etc

but there are a few in north america...


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 10:06:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Depends on the kind of person they are.

But not specifically thier physicality.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 10:10:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I am very accepting of others in this regard.  They see something they want, they set their mind to it, and they accomplish it!
I admire those that can and will go after their goals, instead of sitting back and crying and whining about how they can't do something.

Since I don't operate, nor do I think like the common female, I find myself eagerly curious about the M2F TG.
I have had the opportunity to see some very alluring specimens of this variety and I am very interested.



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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 10:12:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's been my experience that transgenders are treated pretty well in the BDSM community -- of course, that has to be taken with a grain of salt, as I'm not transgendered myself, and so am not intimately involved in the TG process, and with the understanding that sometimes (just like in any other community) there are flares of unwelcoming and judgemental behaviors that could make for some discomfort.

My sense of things (as someone who provides pastoral care in both communities) is that it's not any more nor less uncomfortable here than in a large family where the core of the family is accepting.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 10:13:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: samaraqzetax
Question I have is, is this: How supporting is the BDSM community towards, PASSABLE transgendered individuals? I'm not talking about those individuals who call themselves "cross dressers", "sissy boys", or anything else of the like, only true trans individuals, taking hormones and living and passing as their perceived gender full time, whether it be female or male. Secondly, would you be willing to develop a relationship with such a passable trans individual whether beyond simply "friends?
Please don't flame this post, as it is a ligitment question.


I don't see why they wouldn't be as welcome as anyone else. They're human right? As long as the blood is red an not green...no problem. I have friends who are transgendered...I know what it's like to feel trapped in the wrong body. As for developing a relationship?? Not sure. I have been approached by a lady here who is trnasgendered..well, born male but you know...anyway...as I told her...it's something i'd have to think about. I have no problems starting as just friends. Wether something would come out of it, that's still left to be seen. I'm not gonna say no to the idea because noone knows what the future holds. There is that chance it will. SO we'll see.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 10:30:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: samaraqzetax

Question I have is, is this: How supporting is the BDSM community towards, PASSABLE transgendered individuals? I'm not talking about those individuals who call themselves "cross dressers", "sissy boys", or anything else of the like, only true trans individuals, taking hormones and living and passing as their perceived gender full time, whether it be female or male. Secondly, would you be willing to develop a relationship with such a passable trans individual whether beyond simply "friends?
Please don't flame this post, as it is a ligitment question.



First, while I think you were just trying to indicate you were talking about transgendered persons rather than crossdressers, genderfuckers, etc who are a gender aligned with their sex, being a "true trans(gender)" person does not have anything to do with being passable or even being transsexual. 

There are more transgender categories than transsexual, and a transsexual is transsexual whether or not they've started transitioning to their correct sex... and whether or not they pass well as that sex.

Second, from what I've seen it's as a varied as anywhere else in society:  Some are fine with such things, some are not.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 11:19:49 AM   
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