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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 11:49:41 AM   
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That's pure true: the term transsexual refers to all individuals who want to live a life of gender opposite to their biological.

To the discrimination topic i might add that very lucky are those who are born in places where being different doesn't mean getting a lynch ticket on every corner in case you show off, and being discriminated by whole groups of people who just got few signs that you might be *it*. i am a transwoman who at early age had to learn to live up in such environment, playing role of a male most of the day. Here, nobody knows, not my closest family members, except a closest friend. i will mention that two 'closest friends' actually ran away from me after i in confidence told them about *it*. How do i know i'm not just a very very kinky boy: if i leave all my kinks and BDSM drive by side, i will still feel my real gender is Female. If you open my closet, you can find pretty assortments of just usual Female clothes and things, that you can see in closet of just any other girl. i don't keep them for any kink or arousal purposes.

Now to this one:
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ORIGINAL: Madame4a
He's not straight

Call it a wordplay, but it shall require a good definition of what is 'gay' referring to with a transsexual: to the biological or to the wanted gender? If your friend is a transwoman (man who actually feels like a woman) and if there was some magical staff to transform him, he'd be just okay. But i think i read somewhere that most of transgenders keep their biologically-supposed-to-be sexual orientation (please check). i personally am attracted to women.

Still i fail to understand the term 'passable', perhaps it is a language barrier.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:15:52 PM   
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Still i fail to understand the term 'passable', perhaps it is a language barrier.


Passable: To be seen as your precieved gender,  without flaw. e.g. if your precieved gender is female, noone can see any male resembalence, only that of female, in every way....body, manners, dress, ect. You can walk out into public and "pass" (Not be seen for your biological sex in any way shape or form.)


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:17:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sillyslaveboy

Still i fail to understand the term 'passable', perhaps it is a language barrier.


Passable: To be seen as your precieved gender,  without flaw. e.g. if your precieved gender is female, noone can see any male resembalence, only that of female, in every way....body, manners, dress, ect. You can walk out into public and "pass" (Not be seen for your biological sex in any way shape or form.)



Ie, you do not resemble a gorilla in a tut tu.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:20:23 PM   
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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:22:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		And anyone who is trans, can without doubt, define "passable" as it is a universal term in the trans community

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:29:49 PM   
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quote:

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Ie, you do not resemble a gorilla in a tut tu.
ORIGINAL: samaraqzetax
Correct! NOONE can see through your "costume" so to speak

Yeah, i got it, thanks. Now i'm actually called to express sympathy even towards the gorilla ;) that feels as his clothes say BE-CAUSE <a bit arguing stuff cut off />. But since it's been asked not to taint the topic, now i'll pass to observers. :)

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:47:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am just as supportive of them as I would be of anyone else. I don't know any transgendered people but that would not be an issue as to whether we were friends or not. I would not pursue an intimate relationship with a M2F transgendered person, however. I prefer my mate to be the gender that she was born.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:50:31 PM   
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I'm wondering at the distinction "passable" .. what does that mean? 

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 12:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very interesting topic.

I am for the most part a Cross dresser who leans to the TG side. Now let me explain.  Due to certain circumstances in my life, i am unable at this time to become full TG.  If I had my choice, I wolud live each day as a female, because that is who I am deep inside, and what i relate to.  I consider myself female in all aspects of my life.  But I do wear mens clothes to work as that is what i need to do to survive.

I am a life style submissive and have belonged to a few BDSM clubs. Several of those clubs are not keen on TG's.  When asked about it, I never got a really good answer that satisfied me.  Shortly after that I left the club. I di dbelong to a BDSM group in Syracuse, and found them to be very accepting of CD's, and TG's.  They are to be commended.

Even as a Cross dresser, it is very difficult to meet others who are interested in playing or having a session.  For some reason, there is a stigma that attaches itself to you when someone learns of your likes.  Automatically, they percieve you to be gay.  Part of this is from society as a whole and the things we have learned growing up.  I am a strait male submissive CD.  although, I have on many occasions have been a normal male sub.  I have had better luck getting sessions with play partners because i presented as a male.

I see no reason why a TG, or TS for that matter should not be welcome in the BDSM world.  They are people just like us, and have submissive needs as well.

Thank you

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 1:03:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't answer about weather or not the bdsm community would accept transgendereds or not,it's diffrent for every single community out there. and it's about as individual a question as they come, because communities are built up of individuals.

However, As to the question would I be interested in them an friends with them or more, depends on them and their attitutde. I actually did have a friend who was male to female, she had breasts and was on hormones and got elctrolosis to get rid of her facial hair, still had a penis, but didn't use it. Other than being taller and broader build than most females, she was cute nobody'd really supsect anything.

None of that mattered to me, What mattered to me, was she was always putting down my choice to date men. telling me men were stupid men were useless. why would you ever want anything to do with men. you should be a lesbian, lesbianism is the ONLY way to go.

It got old very quickly. I do not hate on people based on what gender or race they are, and I certaintly do not tell others who they should want to date based on gender. And any one who's that negative about a whole group of people just don't interest me, not even to be friends only.

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ORIGINAL: samaraqzetax

Question I have is, is this: How supporting is the BDSM community towards, PASSABLE transgendered individuals? I'm not talking about those individuals who call themselves "cross dressers", "sissy boys", or anything else of the like, only true trans individuals, taking hormones and living and passing as their perceived gender full time, whether it be female or male. Secondly, would you be willing to develop a relationship with such a passable trans individual whether beyond simply "friends?
Please don't flame this post, as it is a ligitment question.


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 1:12:00 PM   
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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 1:22:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Madame4a
lives his life as male, he's legally male actually.
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He's kinda a gay man, but he likes women, but not straight women. He's a leather guy so that matters to him, he's mostly a bottom. He's got very little place in the straight community (he's not straight and he doesn't relate at all); gay men generally (although there are a very very few exceptions) don't want him and many in the lesbian community treat transmen as pariahs -- although we are getting better.


I'm confused....
If he's a FTM, then why would he want a lesbian (or expect that a lesbian would want someone who identifies as male?)


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 1:41:43 PM   
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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 1:46:19 PM   
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I am TG however am very new to this and as such really have no contact with any sort of TG communities.   However I can say that for the most part I have felt welcome in the BDSM community at least as it is in regards to collarme :)
I sometimes get rejects because I'm TG however for the most part people will accept that part of me even if we can just be friends, and that is all anyone can really ask.   So far I haven't received any negative reactions or messages as a direct result of Identifying myself as female which is very encouraging and so I would say that anyone else that is unsure how to proceed my advice would be just be yourself  :)

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 1:56:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get that there are women who are attracted to other women, etc.

But... if you're a lesbian... then become a man... why would you expect to still date lesbians? (Since lesbians like women.)

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 2:01:10 PM   
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I support a person's right to live as he/she pleases.  But I have ZERO interest in any non platonic relations with anyone who is not a biological woman.


i love when i read this in profiles...i always say...so then...you would date me... a person who is biologically female....but is intersexed....and then i get asked wtf is intersexed...and they reply...ewwww hell no!!!

wooo SCARY fear the XY biological female who was born female (another term i hear that i find funny) with both genitalia..and gets the female issues...but the id says male due to gov't laws...even though we are the same as an xx woman....woo thats scary.

edit to add: not to mention when you hear them say this you know they want a pure sexual relationship.


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 2:08:45 PM   
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I agree in terms of acceptance by the bdsm community, it depends on the people in that community. I have myself been shunned just for hanging out with people who have these interests.

On a plus note I have to say some of the most accepting people I have ever met have been transexuals.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 2:08:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: samaraqzetax

Question I have is, is this: How supporting is the BDSM community towards, PASSABLE transgendered individuals? I'm not talking about those individuals who call themselves "cross dressers", "sissy boys", or anything else of the like, only true trans individuals, taking hormones and living and passing as their perceived gender full time, whether it be female or male. Secondly, would you be willing to develop a relationship with such a passable trans individual whether beyond simply "friends?
Please don't flame this post, as it is a ligitment question.


This isn't flaming but why passable? What's that got to do with anything? All my relationships with trans individuals are beyond friendship....meaning deeper than most relationships....as they have broken down a wall inside their heads.........
PS am i passable? and where's the exam?


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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 2:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, passable...I have only ONCE ever been called out (by a 12 year old on the bus), I am so very passable my boss and co-workers didn't even know (I work about 75 hours a week) until I told them after 2 years! I really started this post, because I am going to Denver Bound ( http://www.denverbound.org ) this October. It will be my first such event. I am going with my part-time Mistress and very good friend. But I still have reservations about playing in such an open environment being trans, as you cant "pass" when your stripped, bound, and being beaten. I am tring to get a feel for my acceptence.

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RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... - 8/1/2008 2:25:05 PM   
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