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leakylee -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 2:40:37 AM)
you know not to throw the uber card, but for those that enjoy the mind fucks, and those that crave someone that can crawl inside thier heads. something like this isnt such a bad domiance test for the 'D' of the paddle either. in someways it isnt such a bad way to see if the two are compatible on that sort of level. here again just playing devil's advocate. smooches lee

LaTigresse -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 4:42:20 AM)
using fast reply....... One thing thread has taught me, I'd rather be thought of as a guppy than a blowfish. (Thank you Marty)

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 4:53:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist …this thread has not only sorted out the sharks from the guppies but it has unearthed many worms as well. You do realize, however, that people respond to what is communicated to them. Sure, some will misunderstand, and some will project their own feelings, but when you are communicating and the majority walk away with an incorrect understanding or draw incorrect conclusions, perhaps the issue isn't that everyone is wrong, but that what has been communicated to them has not been communicated clearly. Did you preface the story by saying these were highly respected, caring individuals? Did you leave that out accidentally or intentionally? Did you write the story, leaving pertinent information out for shock value? If so, don't be surprised when people respond negatively. Did you tell the story with clarity, so as not to give the wrong idea? If so, then everyone misinterpreted you. Did you tell the story off the cuff, without much thought? If so, then people walk away with what they understand of it, so you should not be offended when their understanding reflect negativity on your friends. As someone who has had to prepare numerous presentations for executive groups, I have learned it is mostly up to the me (the communicator) to be sureI am understood, and if everyone walks away with misconceptions or misunderstanding, then it reflects on how well I presented. It would be silly of me to simply decide "their all low thinking idiots" in such a case (although at times, I am prone to think they are!). Instead, I reflect on why everyone walked away with misinformation, and I pay more attention the next time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear NuevaVida, The only point of the Damocles OP was that it is an amazing story and I hoped others would tell theirs as asked. There were no sides to take as the story wasn’t told with a moral or emotional purpose. You’re just supposed to go “wow, nice mind fuck!” then tell us yours “There was this one time in band camp…etc” It is just a classic BDSM mind fuck that is part of our world like the one John Warren told and he got attacked too. I even guided the replies and asked for people to share mind fuck stories. It was not told poorly and neither was John’s. It was told the same way I usually tell it and get good reactions as everyone proceeds to exchange mind fuck stories. I don’t think anyone walked away with “misinformation”. Prefacing a story by making claims about all the people involved, telling histories in more detail than I did wasn’t required to get to the point of the story. The point was the mind fuck itself. Even if everyone was evil and laughed, and he got very cheap dirty thrills, and the poor girl ended up in therapy for the rest of her life… that wasn’t the point of the story. Only a few asked questions that were inline with the story like “how did the accomplice sneak up unnoticed”. Those are sound writing guidelines you proffer and I am quite familiar with them. I am a writer. I wonder why you offer them? Did my OP leave you confused in someway? Did you presume evil hordes trolling the streets for complete noobs to hangover swords against their will for our cheap thrills? It is not writing I need to be taught but rather how to type. This voice recognition software spits out a pretty wild sentence sometimes and I have left more than a few of people wondering if I have Tourettes syndrome. I have been telling that story for 8 years. As the first reply indicates, it is a popular and well received story here in Florida and I am not the only one telling it. So either the people in Florida are all ‘sharks’ and the “majority” of people in CollarMe are ‘guppies’ gobbling misinformation or something else is afoot. I suggest to you that there are other politics at work here by people that are troll baiting you guys as they try to sell SSC in this thread because they failed in the choking thread and the gun thread. I used to be a mod (not here) and these type of patterns are obvious to me if not to you as well. Also, adding to that frenzy, a few not-so-submissives that would normally flirt with me over in Polls & Randomly Stupidity have been unsuccessfully clamoring for my attention in the General BDSM forums. I do not want to correct or embarrass my not-so-subby friends so I ignored them. It wasn’t until poor not-so-sunshine was stamping her bratty foot demanding I reply to her reply, that I did finally. So there is more afoot here than meets the eye. Perhaps as Mercnbeth pointed out, there was no way to avoid this or "win" as he put it, no matter how the story was written. Best Wishes, Kalon Eric

NuevaVida -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 7:17:07 AM)
RS, I only offered what I did because there seemed to be pertinent clarification provided after the story: Not really a test of submission but a test of faith, Unsure if it's a first "date" or second or third..., the guy is really a handsom philanthropist, etc. I'm just saying if the story was set up differently to begin with, there may not have been so much reaction over it. Does that mean CMer's are guppies or your buds in Florida don't need details to be amused, or something else? We don't really know, except for some reason your story didn't have the effect you desired here, and your response was to criticize your readers. I think that's what most people were taking issue with. "Here's a story. Don't like it? Well fuck you!" I don't think that's on the list of How to Win Friends and Influence People. [8D] I can't speak about flirty submissives who didn't like the story. Your criticisms seemed to be directed at everyone who didn't like it, and, as far as I can tell, I've never flirted with you. Sure you had intended to just put a fun mind fuck out there and enjoy the mind fucks of others. But it didn't turn out that way. That happens from time to time - someone will submit something they think is cool and it will flop, for whatever reason. You concluded we're all idiots. I submit that's a knee jerk and incorrect conclusion. For what it's worth, I'm not offended by such criticisms because I know better about myself. Without intending to slap an "uber" label on myself, I've done a lot more risky stuff than what you described in the OP, only they weren't mind fucks, they were reality. But they were done with someone who wanted me to trust him, and who chose to invest the effort building that trust. Because of that perspective, I didn't find the story to be particularly alluring. That makes me a guppy in your eyes, but that's OK with me. And hell, maybe I am a guppy!! But that would be OK with me, because I am the only me I have so I may as well love who I am. As for troll baiting and such...I don't know. I didn't read the threads you cited, nor do I subscribe to living by a set of accronyms. And Merc was right - there was no way to win with this, and, in my personal opinion, it was just made worse by your reaction of lashing out at everyone. Kinda like when Michael Richards started screaming at his hecklers...ya know it ruined his career... Thanks for your reply...

sunshinemiss -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 10:18:38 AM)
Hi RS, You got us! I finally figured out that this whole thread is a mind fuck to all of us. It being so out of character this has got to be you pulling the wool over our eyes (not to mention the place is crawling with black sheepgiggles). hits myself on the head* I can't believe it took me so long to figure this out. You've always been so funny and admirable this couldn't be anything but a mind fuck. You're good. sunshine

lronitulstahp -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 10:42:45 AM)
quote: I have been telling that story for 8 years. As the first reply indicates, it is a popular and well received story here in Florida and I am not the only one telling it. So either the people in Florida are all ‘sharks’ and the “majority” of people in CollarMe are ‘guppies’ gobbling misinformation or something else is afoot. Hmmmm...i dunno RS. i love You and respect You to death...but this "mindfuck" or maybe the lack of information regarding the sub or "hardcore slave" but still new girl makes me feel a bit icky. i think for those of us not privy to intimate details of the players, it's hard to gain a proper perspective, without seeing some red flags. If You were the Dom particpating in the scene....knowing You, and more about Your ways of thinking and conducting life in general...there wouldn't be the same response, but perhaps hearing about it as a story You heard, and not first or even secondhand...the imagination kicks in. The visceral responses i've seen expressed, i took as less about You or Your group, but more about naturally empathetic reactions. Of course, as an honorable operson, You feel obligated to defend Your group and friends. The sense of honor is one of the reasons i'm glad to call You "friend". As a friend, i am asking You to perhaps consider the posts made here from a less informed perspective. Respectfully and Lovingly, ~tulip

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 4:09:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida ...I don't think that's on the list of How to Win Friends and Influence People. Fortunately it wasn’t a beauty contest and my morals, manners and loyalty to my friends is more important than your obvious misinterpretation of my ego structure by making this statement or the tone of your reply in the first place.

tammystarm -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 5:21:13 PM)
all in the eye of the beholder i guess. Man ive been in some serious situations envolving bd/sm in the last 5 years, things that could drive most people insane, and yet i still think, man i better know You really damn well. First of all maybe im nieve but i think that being in a dungeon with others looking on, that its already a pretty safe bet im coming out of there. But still, that is the ultimate test, ummm can i have foreplay first. (what kind of foreplay would that be.....) WOW.......

catize -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 5:33:38 PM)
quote: or the tone of your reply Would that be the “tone” where she reasonably and politely expresses an opinion about your poor behavior on this thread? Perhaps you will appreciate my “tone” better: Get a Grip!

HornyToadsMI -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 5:35:34 PM)
Damn...that is cold! I have heard of one where a Dom acts as tho He is branding his sub. I can't remember the particulars.....but it was a good one.

DesFIP -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 5:38:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedingMore220 Yep, I dunno about that one. Sounds rather cruel to do that to someone he's just met. Everyone has a great laugh at her expense, but that would be my last date with him. Bingo. But I'd have yelled red the second he described it to me. I wouldn't trust some guy I was playing with for the first time to do any kind of edge play.

GreedyTop -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 5:41:17 PM)
once again.. he didnt say that this was the first time they'd MET. Just the first time they'd PLAYED. MIT.. the use of visuals of heating the branding implement and then blindfold, followed by ice cubes or a frozen implement?

HornyToadsMI -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 6:00:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop once again.. he didnt say that this was the first time they'd MET. Just the first time they'd PLAYED. MIT.. the use of visuals of heating the branding implement and then blindfold, followed by ice cubes or a frozen implement? There were visuals...she had to set them out. Then she was tied and blindfolded. I think there was a frypan in the room (something to make the smell and sounds) brought in after she was blindfolded, and the implements were laid on her skin as tho she was being "branded" while the 2nd person made the sounds with the fry pan. Again, my memory is foggy. BTW - GT - you need to just keep copying the same response over and over and over and over and over and over......... Some of us got it the 1st time.....LOL

beargonewild -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 7:03:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HornyToadsMI quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop once again.. he didnt say that this was the first time they'd MET. Just the first time they'd PLAYED. MIT.. the use of visuals of heating the branding implement and then blindfold, followed by ice cubes or a frozen implement? There were visuals...she had to set them out. Then she was tied and blindfolded. I think there was a frypan in the room (something to make the smell and sounds) brought in after she was blindfolded, and the implements were laid on her skin as tho she was being "branded" while the 2nd person made the sounds with the fry pan. Again, my memory is foggy. BTW - GT - you need to just keep copying the same response over and over and over and over and over and over......... Some of us got it the 1st time.....LOL [sm=chug.gif][sm=popcorn.gif]

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 7:30:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HornyToadsMI There were visuals...she had to set them out. Then she was tied and blindfolded. I think there was a frypan in the room (something to make the smell and sounds) brought in after she was blindfolded, and the implements were laid on her skin as tho she was being "branded" while the 2nd person made the sounds with the fry pan. Again, my memory is foggy. BTW - GT - you need to just keep copying the same response over and over and over and over and over and over......... Some of us got it the 1st time.....LOL Dear friends from my old home state, Nice story. I like the frying pan effect. I have seen ice make a blindfolded person think they were burning. I have seen alcohol dipped blades create the illusion of cutting/bleeding that was pretty cool too. I started this mind fuck thread because I was testing these waters and hoping to get a atory exchange going so I could tell some more stories too. Thanks for joining in. Do you know much about Hellfire West in Detroit, back in the 80s? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To the rest of you, Although greedy is correct, it is besides the point. Even if they had never met and this was a blind date, the people and their histories were as incidental as the people in Mr. John Warren's cargo net story. The point is the mechanics of it and the illusion, not the people in it.

NuevaVida -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 9:54:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida ...I don't think that's on the list of How to Win Friends and Influence People. Fortunately it wasn’t a beauty contest and my morals, manners and loyalty to my friends is more important than your obvious misinterpretation of my ego structure by making this statement or the tone of your reply in the first place. Aww, RS, lighten up. The "How to Win Friends and Influence People" (a well known book authored by Dale Carnegie) was a joke, as indicated by the little smiley guy with his tongue sticking out. While most of your comment makes no sense to me as it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I wrote (beauty contest? loyalty? ego structure?), I will sincerely say that the "tone" of my post was completely neutral, as was my frame of mind when I wrote it. And here I thought we were just having conversation. But, tell ya what. I'll leave you with this final thought, and you can take it in any "tone" you wish - Would you say your overall discourse in this thread reflects that of a conversational guppy or shark? Because at this point, RS, I'm thinking guppy.

spanklette -> RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- (8/17/2008 10:51:30 PM)
I tend to go for the longer, more intricate mindfucks but I've seen and enjoyed ones similar to the one you described...and I have a few points to make, in general, before I tell a very short story. The first thing...people get hurt in public places. I, personally, have been injured in a public Dungeon. It was accidental, but it didn't make me need less stitches. I say that because some seem to think that playing in public would breed good sense or have someone intervene. When I'm out in a public play area, it is with the inwardly held tenet that everyone is there on purpose. They aren't lost...mapquest didn't give them funky directions to the zoo...they arrived with the intention of being in a dungeon setting and with, at least, a vague idea of what goes on there. Once they are there, they are responsible for themselves. If they choose to participate, then it is on their heads. I hope none of them ever waited on me to help. Mostly, because I'm not paying attention and if I am, I assume that I must be missing some vital piece of information that makes the scene make sense. If they were dumb enough to lie about experience and comfort level...whoops. I'm not sure I'd use this as a method to judge anything, but then again...she has every chance to use a safeword and the rest is just a good time. I don't play much in public anymore, but having people come in and lie about experience and capabilities gets old. And, I've seen people take drastic measures that do have the "shock value" of the mind fuck you described. Anywho, onwards and upwards... I am terrified of heights. There was a pool on the roof of his home. He had me serve brandy to a group of friends poolside while wearing one earplug and an eye patch. The vertigo was ridiculous. He made me look down and freak out...all very ho hum as far as mind fucks are concerned. He told me how wonderful I'd been to trust him, and that I was going to be rewarded by being able to choose which implement he primarily used. Well, I was overjoyed at having pleased him so easily. I should have known the man wasn't through. We get down to his playspace and there were a couple of people already using it. Now, at this point, I should mention that the only thing that is scarier than heights are snakes. He's getting me all trussed up and just before the blindfod drops down, I see someone walk in with this ginormous snake. I was caught totally off guard because of the roof thing...no one schedules two mindfucks in one evening, unless it's all one big mindfuck which I didn't figure out until later when I could quit babbling and they could explain to me that it was a rubber snake. I think he took 2 or 3 really good years off the end of my life. But, once it was over...we had one of the most intense scenes that I've ever experienced. I don't want to do it again, but it sure makes a warm memory.

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