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LaTigresse -> Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 7:49:11 AM)

Something has been bugging me.

Yesterday a friend of mine from here and I were exchanging emails over a few of the threads we were reading. She linked me to another thread that I had not seen. It was a soap opera hell of a mess that, combined with some other things, really got me thinking.

All the time we see the age card played, and then we see the "years in the lifestyle" card played, and one would think that the two together would created a magnificent dominant/master/mistress. Someone that had some small measure of respect due them. Kinda like the whole, career military service, line of thinking. However, human nature being what it is, and me being the avid observer of human nature, I've come to the conclusion that is it certainly no guarantee. At least not from where I sit.

Now, some of you well sit there and think "Well DUHHHHH, you dense broad!! You just NOW figured that out?!?!?" Well no, I am a pessimestic bitch and never assume anyone is worthy of respect. What I am talking about is the overall collective persepction that if someone says "I am 55 years old, I've been swinging a paddle/crop/whatever for 35 years and had a dozen slaves. I am a great and skilled Master/Mistress, so I am OWED respect!!" ...there is a certain perceived validity in the first part of that statement so we (collectively) tend to agree with the respect part. (even if it annoys some of us pessimistic bitches....)

But here's the thing, when I see or hear someone say, in some way, to a general population that they are "owed" something I tend to get my back up a bit. I am reminding of a tagline that, I think, MissTress has. (forgive me I am sure I am going to mutilate it) "If they have to tell you they are a lady, chances are they are not." And I love that, because it really is pretty accurate.

So, when I hear someone toot their own horn by saying "I am a Great Master/Mistress!!!" I kinda think,"yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....." And if I see/hear someone getting their ass up because they are not getting respect and they "deserve" it because of their age or experience, I have to wonder why they are not getting it and do they really deserve it.........hmmmmmm? I mean, if you are so great, experienced, and respect worthy, odds are, you'd be getting it from the greater percentile of people around you. And if you are not getting it and are so wonderful, you'd probably be a mature enough person to not throw a tantrum about it.

For myself, I don't see alot of value in having anything of that sort that I got, simply because I demanded it. I kinda want to earn it, and keep earning it based upon my actions. Not because I built up muscles swinging a flogger and a whip or gave myself a title then demanded the world respect me because of it.

The online indication of this issue yesterday was watching, through words, another dominant/master/mistress, lose control and mastery of themself. They behaved again and again in a very immature and emotional way rather than taking a high road that, to me, would have shown maturity and self control. Yet stated that they were not given the respect they were due. Then proclaimed themself later on, to be a great master/mistress/dominant. I was really kind of sad and disappointed.

If you want to be a great master/mistress/dominant and be respected, then do so by actions and deeds, in addition to your words. Don't try to weasel out of taking responsibility, don't let your over inflated ego get in the way of seeing that you may be less than perfect. If you want to be a mentor, an example to young people, they behave like it.

Lord knows I am not there, I would never say I am a Great Mistress because I know I am human and fallible. Most of my years of experience, are not in BDSM practices, just life and living. I fall off the snark wagon and make a fool of myself a good bit of the time. I am glad that I get an occasional love letter from Madame Eleven to remind me I really am not "All That" (at least not all the time......) But I do feel I need to be always aware of how I am perceived, not because I really care what the world thinks of me personally, but because I am beginning to realized that I have qualities, like my advanced age of, FREAKIN FORTY SIX!! (too weird to think of) that might lead some of these adorable youngsters to assume I might have a clue.

I am reminded of a bit of stink a famous basket ball player caused, some years back, when he stated he was not a role model for kids just because he was famous. Like he didn't have to behave in a certain way just because he was an over payed, skilled professional athlete. People were pissed because they feel that kinda goes with the territory.

Sooooooooooo, that's my deep thoughts for today. Bludgeon at will!!




Leatherist -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 7:53:55 AM)

Likeable person have admiration for = respect.

years of experience coupled with an attitude of entitlement = blowfish. [:D]




DomMeinCT -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 7:55:13 AM)

What I think you're describing is an inflated sense of entitlement.  :)   I always think it's something you'd see more often online (because it's safer to act entitled online and there's anonymity); most of those folks acting that way wouldn't do it in person or in front of a live crowd.

For me, respect begets respect, irrespective of someone's age and claimed experience.




DomDolf -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:08:20 AM)

Respect must be earned over and over and over again. Every person has a right and a responsibility to evaluate you as a person and determine whether to give you respect. Anyone that feels they are immediately entitled to it has already lost it.

Dolf




UR2Badored -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:21:13 AM)

Some people think "their" extremes are impressive while others may view it as not so impressive to prey on the weak. It is all in perspectives and preferences and no amount of discussion will sway it one way or another.  In reality, why should it matter what anyone else thinks?  Human nature is to observe and form our own opinions and preferences--life or forum makes no matter.  However, I wonder if you can have so "much experience" and "knowledge" that you can lose sight of the fact that there are actually two (or more) people involved and no matter how extreme a slave or submissive (Master or Dominant) professes to be.........there is reciprical pleasure being exchanged in some form or it might as well be abuse. Then again, there are those who will defend abuse and wear being abused as a merit badge so it is still reciprical and all good.  Hey, a kink is a kink is a kink and the end results to our desires and preferences is really all that matters. Again, as many people who sees themselves or their chosen counterparts as extreme and impressive, there are just as many who might see it as a predator feeding on the weak or pride in victimization......just saying.  To cover my hiney--may I add a self-serving "and vice versa!".

For me, I wish there was selection on the profile side for "barely a bottom".  Some of the self-described extreme Dominants could not dom me with a 45 pistol to my head.




mistoferin -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:21:41 AM)

Ya know, I think someone pointed me to that same thread last night. I began to read it but it was really painful and it literally made me feel sick...so I had to just stop. It certainly gave me an understanding that I wasn't expecting. What I find interesting is when such a person then goes on to whine about the respect they are not getting or how they feel their character is being attacked. Can they not see that such behavior takes them straight out of the "deserves respect" pool? Can they not see that they don't have to worry about others assassinating their character because they are doing such a great job of that themselves? It's unbecoming behavior for anyone....but that is compounded even more when it comes from someone who professes to be a "Master". If the only time that you can "master" someone including and especially yourself, is when they are bound and helpless...I'd say that speaks volumes.

Nope Age + experience definitely does not automatically equate to "deserves respect".




leadership527 -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:23:15 AM)

For me at least, anyone who tries to claim respect demonstrates that they don't understand the concept at all and are therefor automatically not worthy of it.  Call me old-school, but like others, I think respect is earned, not taken or even given.  What's interesting here is that I could say the same thing about subs who want to give respect before it is earned.. I have just as much of a mistrust of that as I do doms who try to take it before it is earned.




happypervert -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:27:52 AM)

quote:

"I am 55 years old, I've been swinging a paddle/crop/whatever for 35 years and had a dozen slaves. I am a great and skilled Master/Mistress, so I am OWED respect!!"

I usually find it comical when they use the "dozens of slaves" argument as proof of their skill -- seems to me if they were as good as they claim that some of those slaves would have stuck around.

And for me, the more I learn about something the more aspects to it I see that I don't know about. So when someone is boasting about all their knowledge in a transparent effort to gain credibility, it implies that their knowledge is superficial and/or they are just stupid.




RCdc -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:28:17 AM)

I'm not adverse to a little ego.  Having one is pretty healthy - I enjoy seeing people here and in reality flaunt their egos - part of Masters charm is his ego and I pretty much have a big one.  I know I am an awesome submissive - to Darcy.
But I don't believe that earns me extra credits.
 
And I don't believe respect is a commodity to earn or sell either.
 
the.dark.




LaTigresse -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:28:34 AM)

I really don't want to make this personal about any one person....... Only because the "one thread" I read is indicitive of several similar situations I've seen in the past. Which is why I purposely kept this thread very generic. I honestly do not want to attack any one person. Just a concept and past habit I've noticed in some.

I also haven't the background of reading alot by that one person, that gives me a solid basis on their character. I refuse to make this thread about them, or any other single person.




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:35:30 AM)

age=menopause
experience=pms
respect=stay away during these times!!!




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:37:16 AM)

I love LeeAnn. 

That is all. 




MasterHermes -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:45:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Ya know, I think someone pointed me to that same thread last night.


Where is this thread? Nobody pointed me to any thread [:(] 




mistoferin -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:47:26 AM)

It's not about the thread. A whole bunch of people could glean some real wisdom from LaT's words here.




LaTigresse -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:48:16 AM)

......doing the Cesar Milan thing.......SHHSSTT![:D]

It's really not important what triggered my little brain wandering here, because I don't want to beat up any one individual. More a concept of SOME individuals.

If that makes sense.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:48:32 AM)

Yes, I can think of several drama fests in the past year where Mr or Ms Uberdom displayed their true colours. 




MasterHermes -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:49:31 AM)

but , but ... I am a super, great, perfect Master, I want to be part of that thread... [:D]





mistoferin -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:54:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I love LeeAnn. 

That is all. 



Ahem. You told me on my cock thread that you loved me. I see how you are now. No cheeseballs for you this weekend!!!

(apologies to you LaT...but I just couldn't let that one slip by)




LaTigresse -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:58:03 AM)

I just had another thought, inspired by dark, who has taught, and continues to teach me, alot about debate and thinking outside the obvious thought path.

In the light of "respect inspiring" behaviour, and someone wanting to be a person that can not only garner respect but be a mentor or, whatever terminology you want to you......it really doesn't have to be a dominant/master/mistress.

As I, and others, stated in a thread yesterday....all of us that are less experienced can learn alot from people that are on either side of the whip. Regardless of age.

Regardless of M or s, D or s, most people want to be looked up to in some way, at some point in life. For their knowledge and abilities, along with many other qualities. I just get frustrated when I see a D or M type person that begins to demand it, especially of a s type person and most especially of a younger s type.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Age + Experience = Respect??? No...I don't think so Vern. (8/12/2008 8:59:17 AM)

But......I love you too!!!  I have lots of love to share!!  LOTS!![sm=shake.gif]

Especially if there is CHEESE involved.

I love cheese.  [:)]




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