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kittinSol -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:13:21 PM)

Dutch and Scottish pretty much does suck, my commiseration [:D]. Take solace in the fact that your ancestry only has the importance you are willing to give it :-). Ancestry doesn't necessarily mean culture after all.




Roselaure -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:15:28 PM)

I call myself a "Northern European Mongrel".  A little Scots a Little Welsh A little English, French, Dutch, German.  Good pioneer stock.

I'm interested in my ancestry but really never understood all the "pride" people have in their ancestry.  It's not like it's an accomplishment, all I did was be born.  Yay Me!!!




slvemike4u -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:16:28 PM)

Well as a twue Irishman(90% anyway,dear old dad's family was a little fucked up)it is no surprise to me that some would claim to be Irish.Hell all my Italian friends swore they were Irish every March 17th....we(the twue Irish) didn't mind as long as they bought the beer...




caitlyn -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:16:40 PM)

My understand it that fully 26.23% of people in Arkansas and Northern Texas, can trace roots back to this man.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/clebunbi.htm




kittinSol -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:17:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Roselaure

really never understood all the "pride" people have in their ancestry.  It's not like it's an accomplishment, all I did was be born.  Yay Me!!!



That pretty much sums it up for me too: it's a strange obsession, and the pride seems completely misplaced.




candystripper -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:17:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Slaveboy, they probably do that because the Irish are the fucking coolest people on earth.
My last name is Scots-Irish too on my paternal grandfather's side and his ancesters probably went to Ireland from Scotland during or after the Jacovite wars.
Only they stayed in Ireland until the early 1900's.
And they must have converted to Catholisim in Ireland probably from Presbitarians in Scotland.
My grandmother's clans were "Dohertys", "McLaughlins" and "Laffertys", very common names up on the Inishowen Peninsula of Donegal.
My mother's people came from Sligo and were "Mc Donoughs" and "Faheys" prounounced "Fa-Hay", in Irish.
Not all the "Scots-Irish" left Ireland, many intermarried and are still there today.
About as far as you can go back in that part of Ireland is maybe 200 years. (if you're lucky.)
When I was over in Donegal doing geneology research an Irish Preist a Fr. Mc Goldrick told me that many churches burned over the years and took the records with them.
Also, many were very poor and couldn't afford a headstone for loved ones so they'd just put a big rock on the grave.
So, if your friends and neighbors have Irish names they are, to a certain extent "Irish."
The Scots and the Irish are "cousins" anyway!
On a good clear day you can see Scotland from Malin Head.
The Scots and the Irish have been intermingling in marriage, commerce and music for a thousand years.
All Scottish Kings before 1789 were Irish.


Popeye, you know what I'm talking about.  If my ancestors and your ancestors met each other, we'd be fighting.  I am an American, but I do not deny any other ethnic group that title.  I just want people to really read up on history.  I don't like this false victimization that is occurring in America.  I see it all the time, and I'm tired of it. 


WTF?  False victimization?  Are people lining up to lynched by *pretending* to be Catholic?  I mean...I'm sure somewhere there's a nutjob or two who might harm someone for being Catholic.....but really?  I have no clue what the hell you're on about.
 
"No Irish Need Apply' signs in Boston, circa 1890, perhaps?
 
Lord have mercy.  There really ARE things worth getting riled about, yanno.  It's not necessary to invent them.
 
candystripper




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:19:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Scots/Norwegian for me..only 5-6 generations removed from either place.


And I always thought you were Nymph.[;)]




KatyLied -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:19:55 PM)

I hope he's real




GreedyTop -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:20:37 PM)

:D




slvemike4u -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:27:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: Roselaure

really never understood all the "pride" people have in their ancestry.  It's not like it's an accomplishment, all I did was be born.  Yay Me!!!



That pretty much sums it up for me too: it's a strange obsession, and the pride seems completely misplaced.
Ahh but Kittin Your not Irish...now if you were it would not seem so strange !!!!!




DominaYork -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:28:21 PM)

Going to toss in my family tree. So I'm Penn Dutch, cookies to anyone that knows what that means, and I identify half my DNA from those bloodlines. I actually have photos of my ever so great grandparents who were born in the mid 1790's and they were third generation of my family born here. We were 100% Penn Dutch for ages until my great grandmother had a fling with a boy from a local farm. See here is where we can blow the whole 'if you aren't Catholic you can never be Irish' crap out of the water. This fine handsome young man from a local Penn Dutch farm wasn't Penn Dutch. He was Irish. His family had too many mouths to feed so they dumped him off on a local farmer. He was born in Ireland even. He became Lutheran, took on the farm family's name but he was Irish not Penn Dutch. Oh but see he wasn't Catholic anymore so I guess even though he was born in Ireland he isn't ACTUALLY Irish. Silly us for, you know, assuming birth made someone's ancestry.
 
Oh and on my other side of the family? All first and second generation American's from all across the British Isles with one Great-Grandparent from Italy. They came here to be miners, most were Welsh and Irish but they all, including the one relation from Italy, converted faiths to fit in. So I guess he wasn't Italian and they weren't Welsh/Irish/Scots/Cornish because they struggled to find a place in their new nation.
 
Religion does not make ancestry. Ancestry does not make nationality.




Owner59 -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:32:44 PM)

Isn`t McCoy ,an Irish name?

Note to Fatdomdaddy,you can`t post images on the CM boards.




twolookingfor1 -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:33:19 PM)

I am throu and throu german....... my family tree can be traced back to the 11 hundreth, with a plundering, raping knight in the late 12 hundreth......
*sigh*
I'm once again the odd ball here .......




suhlut -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:37:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominaYork

Going to toss in my family tree. So I'm Penn Dutch, cookies to anyone that knows what that means, and I identify half my DNA from those bloodlines. I actually have photos of my ever so great grandparents who were born in the mid 1790's and they were third generation of my family born here. We were 100% Penn Dutch for ages until my great grandmother had a fling with a boy from a local farm. See here is where we can blow the whole 'if you aren't Catholic you can never be Irish' crap out of the water. This fine handsome young man from a local Penn Dutch farm wasn't Penn Dutch. He was Irish. His family had too many mouths to feed so they dumped him off on a local farmer. He was born in Ireland even. He became Lutheran, took on the farm family's name but he was Irish not Penn Dutch. Oh but see he wasn't Catholic anymore so I guess even though he was born in Ireland he isn't ACTUALLY Irish. Silly us for, you know, assuming birth made someone's ancestry.
 
Oh and on my other side of the family? All first and second generation American's from all across the British Isles with one Great-Grandparent from Italy. They came here to be miners, most were Welsh and Irish but they all, including the one relation from Italy, converted faiths to fit in. So I guess he wasn't Italian and they weren't Welsh/Irish/Scots/Cornish because they struggled to find a place in their new nation.
 
Religion does not make ancestry. Ancestry does not make nationality.


I know what Penn Dutch is!
What kinda cookies do i get?


or.. uhm..maybe i don't get any.. if it so happens that how i know what it is..is that i have Penn Dutch in my ancestry also?




Roselaure -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:37:09 PM)

My father's family is odd in that the generations are really stretched out.  I'm 45 and my great great grandfather was born in 1798.  You know how they have those family photos, 5 generations all in one photo?  Heck we didn't have 5 generations in 2 centuries.




patwi -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:37:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominaYork

Going to toss in my family tree. So I'm Penn Dutch, cookies to anyone that knows what that means, and I identify half my DNA from those bloodlines. I actually have photos of my ever so great grandparents who were born in the mid 1790's and they were third generation of my family born here. We were 100% Penn Dutch for ages until my great grandmother had a fling with a boy from a local farm. See here is where we can blow the whole 'if you aren't Catholic you can never be Irish' crap out of the water. This fine handsome young man from a local Penn Dutch farm wasn't Penn Dutch. He was Irish. His family had too many mouths to feed so they dumped him off on a local farmer. He was born in Ireland even. He became Lutheran, took on the farm family's name but he was Irish not Penn Dutch. Oh but see he wasn't Catholic anymore so I guess even though he was born in Ireland he isn't ACTUALLY Irish. Silly us for, you know, assuming birth made someone's ancestry.
 
Oh and on my other side of the family? All first and second generation American's from all across the British Isles with one Great-Grandparent from Italy. They came here to be miners, most were Welsh and Irish but they all, including the one relation from Italy, converted faiths to fit in. So I guess he wasn't Italian and they weren't Welsh/Irish/Scots/Cornish because they struggled to find a place in their new nation.
 
Religion does not make ancestry. Ancestry does not make nationality.


How's about some scrapple or saurkraut? *grins* It's been ages since I've had steamed sausage & tomatoes...




Alumbrado -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:43:40 PM)

Did you mean ponhaus? Scrapple is an American dish popular in several places.




DarkSteven -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:46:02 PM)

I am full blooded Irish on St Patrick's Day and don't have a drop of Irish blood in me the other days.




Roselaure -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:48:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Did you mean ponhaus? Scrapple is an American dish popular in several places.


I've always thought ponhaus and scrapple were the same thing.  There's a difference?

OMG, hijacking a thread with scrapple.  I'll bet that's a first!




patwi -> RE: Fake Irish (8/12/2008 7:54:26 PM)

We just call it scrapple here. Its on the menu, right next to the Hog Maw, sause and the rest of the " ? " meats. But yeah, I've heard it called ponhaus too. 




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