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Sinergy -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/2/2004 7:00:26 PM)
quote: i must say i was quite shocked at how lenient and indulgent the media was toward Bush. The White House for the current administration has made it very clear that any attempt to not portray the party line espoused by the White House would result in all sources from the White House drying up on any issue. On a similar note, anybody connected the current adminstration who is critical of the current White House can assure themselves that they will "never work in this town again." Given that the media has to print something, is it to great a stretch of the imagination to think that they echo the party line? Personally, if I was ever elected president takes anti-vomit medication I would immediately staff my entire government with people who a) were much smarter than I am b) were much more educated than I am c) hated my guts d) had private phone numbers and lines to anybody they wanted. e) were in positions I couldnt fire them from. I personally feel that one's enemies are a lot more honest than most of one's friends. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy

Estring -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/2/2004 11:26:48 PM)
What media are you guys talking about? Have you read the New York Times, LA Times or Washigton Post lately? Have you watched CNN or any of the network news? All you see is Bush bashing.

cheeba0228 -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/3/2004 6:04:35 AM)
I agree all i hear about on the news is how wonderful John Kerry is, and how bad Bush is and the news of course has to cover the celebrities all of whom seem to support Kerry. (ya know cause their opinions matter) yet when i read the boards or talk to people everyone seems to support Bush too weird. I reserve my opinion for later.

iwillserveu -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/3/2004 4:06:38 PM)
No offense taken. If anyone was offended they can grow a thicker skin or never ask anyone what they think. Same goes for anyone I offend. No emoticon on purpose. quote: Victory over the Nazis is not a justification for, say, training and installing ruthless dictators in Latin America, Africa, SE Asia, Middle East, etc., and playing them off to the detriment of innocent civilians caught in between forces. Actually the standard justification for that was at least they were "our" dictators not Russia or China's. Think any sleep easier now that that justification ended in 1989? Ask Noreiga. What might allow them more time is "world" opinion and tactics. North Korea might get away with murder because it has two hostages - South Korea and Japan. (They test fired a missle over japan and may have nukes, figure it out.) Saudi Arabia has a horrible human rights record (ask one of those veiled girl who died in a school house fire because the firemen could not see them unveiled.) They also are the biggest finacers of terrorists. They, Iran, Syria, Algeria, etc. can get away with murder for now because of world opinion. Spreading freedom and democracy are noble endeavors. But there is a difference between the benign mentor who smiles gently and lends a guiding hand, and the over-eager 'leader' who crams its own legislation, corporate deals, and military bases down its followers throats. The US has done both. I laud the former with all my heart, and because of that, it hurts all the more to see the latter erode the credibility of the former. You know what? I agree with you. Leave us alone and we should leave all the suffering and mud hut squabble alone. It's only genocide if it is on TV, right? Can't you guys take care of your own messes, say the genocide in Sudan that "the world" ignores (except the US congress, hmm....), or the geneocide in Kosovo that Europe ignored until the US held it's hand via NATO, or the gassing of Kurds by Saddam Hussein as France and Germany lead the sanction busting bus? It sounds like I'm listing scenes of US intervention where the "world" diddled. I'm only doing it to make a point about how much the US acts. In Kosovo the US tried to leave it to its "allies", but they would not act with out the US. In Sudan either it will fester or the "world" will bring in the "last remaining superpower" like in Somalia. In Iraq they came here. There may be no evidence that the 9/11 attacks were not connected, but does anyone think it could happen without them? Osama Bin Laden knocked out the Iraqi power grid. Fortunately we'll try to rebuild it under fire. quote: When i am finally qualified to carry a medical satchel to refugee camps around the world, i shall be a very happy person indeed if i may represent the best intentions the US has to offer with genuine pride, not contrition. Nope. The had their minds made up for them. I doubt you'll be happy dodging bullets. quote: <steps off wobbly soapbox> I hope this ramble has not offended anyone. Again, most humble apologies if it has. And, of course, i welcome corrections to any erroneous opinions. An erroneous opinion is impossible. You have as much right to piss someone off as I do to piss you off.[:)](It is impossible to piss of somebody. In the end everyone is responsible for their own emotions. People hate hearing that though.[:)]) Post is longer than yours! Neener! Neener![:-][:D]

Sinergy -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/3/2004 5:43:09 PM)
quote: Saudi Arabia has a horrible human rights record (ask one of those veiled girl who died in a school house fire because the firemen could not see them unveiled.) They also are the biggest finacers of terrorists. They, Iran, Syria, Algeria, etc. can get away with murder for now because of world opinion. They are sitting on a commodity the rest of the world cannot live without. Make crude oil unnecessary and they will go back to being a little people, a silly people, murderous and barbarous and cruel AND nobody else on the planet will give a rat's rear end about them or the way they act. Somalia is similar with a caveat. Sam Kinison said we should send them U-Hauls and take them where the food is. It is like feral cats; feed them, they breed more and overrun the available food supplies. Stop feeding them, they starve, and those who fed them for years with no thank yous so they could breed now become horrible monsters. Eastern Europe? Well, our European allies insisted something be done in their back yard so we wouldnt see WW1 and WW2 revisited. So guess what, we went there too. And yes, I think WW1 and WW2 were the same war with an intermission in the middle to train their armies and have a depression. And on that anti-social and hostile note, it is time to go dancing... -- Sinergy p.s. I am usually a lot less grumpy, but I now have a hand cast on from a work injury. [:@][:o][&o][:-]

MizSuz -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/3/2004 6:07:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring What media are you guys talking about? Have you read the New York Times, LA Times or Washigton Post lately? Have you watched CNN or any of the network news? All you see is Bush bashing. Pity we didn't get more of that before we invaded Iraq for things that didn't exist.

Thanatosian -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/3/2004 10:47:10 PM)
quote: Pity we didn't get more of that before we invaded Iraq for things that didn't exist. I am presuming by this statement you mean Weapons of Mass Destruction if so, they do exist and we have found some - maybe you missed the news stories (which only ran for the day that they were found, unlike the months of "They havent found any" propaganda being shoveled out by the media) 3 nuclear missile tips were found buried under like 6 feet of sand in concrete tubes a couple weeks ago over a month ago there was a roadside bomb that had serin gas in it - and I really doubt the guerillas mixed it up in the field kitchen of wherever they are hiding last time I checked, both nukes and serin gas were listed as WMDs now, while we may not be finding huge stockpiles of WMDs, we are finding them - and, since there is no way they could not have been made since we went in there (it takes both time and a very modern laboratory to make either a nuke or serin, which lab the guerillas do not have), it stands to reason that they were made before we went in there, i.e. when Saddam was still in power - and that therefore they did exist when we invaded Iraq. If WMD were not what you were referring to, please expand on what you were referring to.

jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/3/2004 11:11:51 PM)
i think people's views on the media must be based on what party affiliation or what candidate they are for. i don't think i have seen that much Bush bashing in my local paper in indianapolis or on the news channels. jill

kiki blue -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 6:59:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: iwillserveu kiki blue, At least you don't have to listen to us prattle about football. Oh, not soccer, the NFL thing.[:)] Soccer is soccer to us. Football is either rugby or union. American football is gridiron. I don't follow any of them [:)]

kiki blue -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 7:01:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thanatosian I am presuming by this statement you mean Weapons of Mass Destruction I carry weapons of Mass Distraction points at cleavage

cheeba0228 -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 7:16:44 AM)
not only are you right but I dont think you can be more dead center int he bullseye. Nto to mention although they were not built and put together there were Long Range ICBM's buried int he desert just missing the war heads. So o.k. he didnt have long range nuclear missles yet.......stress teh yet. He only had warheads and missle bodies. I dont think it would have taken a genius to take and put them together.

Estring -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 3:24:47 PM)
It is amazing that the whole world agreed that Iraq had WMD's, including the former Democratic president Clinton, but Bush is the liar? Clinton even urged regime change as a policy in Iraq. But when Bush is the only one to have the courage to do it, he is called a liar. It's just more Bush bashing.

jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 3:33:59 PM)
Estring, You dont think that Bush had another agenda about Iraq because of his father's failure to take care of the situation initially? Bush misled the Congress and people with false intelligence information. He filtered it in regards to what HE wanted to believe. jill

iwillserveu -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 6:08:53 PM)
quote: I carry weapons of Mass Distraction points at cleavage Yeah and that wasn't found in Iraq either!!![:@][:@][:@][:@] [&:] (Just kidding, kiki blue.)

Sinergy -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 6:17:58 PM)
Hello, quote: It is amazing that the whole world agreed that Iraq had WMD's, including the former Democratic president Clinton, but Bush is the liar? Clinton even urged regime change as a policy in Iraq. But when Bush is the only one to have the courage to do it, he is called a liar. It's just more Bush bashing. A lot of people have WMDs, why dont we invade them all? [:'(] The fundamental problem with regime change is what do you do when the old regime is gone, particularly when you are left with an armed and hostile populace. The ancillary problem with regime change is who died and left the US the responsibility to decide who runs the show and who doesnt? The follow on problem with regime change is the Vietnamization of the Middle East. We have incurred a massive drain on our resources to fight a war of occupation. Wars of occupation contributed to the fall of the Third Reich. Embarrassed us in Korea and Vietnam. Bankrupted the former Soviet Union. Are a continual headache to Isreal. And have left Eastern Europe a battle scarred hell hole. Now the U.S. is doing them in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Is the devil you know worse than the one you dont know? Sure, what Saddam did or didnt do may have been bad, but is it any worse than Pakistan, North Korea, South Africa in the 1970s, China in the 1990s, Sri Lanka, etc. Sinergy

jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/4/2004 9:30:27 PM)
Sinergy, i agree with You completely. There are other things that are just as bad as WMD's. What about all the problems in the Sudan and i don't see the USA government doing a darn thing about them. jill

cheeba0228 -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/5/2004 8:28:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy A lot of people have WMDs, why dont we invade them all? [:'(] and The fundamental problem with regime change is what do you do when the old regime is gone, particularly when you are left with an armed and hostile populace. and Sure, what Saddam did or didnt do may have been bad, but is it any worse than Pakistan, North Korea, South Africa in the 1970s, China in the 1990s, Sri Lanka, etc. O.k. now wait a minute wets keep things relevant. First The point isnt to invade people who have WMD's its to stop more countries from getting them. While the world superpowers are trying to scale down the amount of WMD's in the world others are trying to build them. The less there are the better off for everyone. Second the training camps for terrorists were also a reason for entering into Iraq. But nobody calls Bush a liar about those. The reason we had to occupy Iraq is because of the armed and hostile populace. Otherwise we'd just be going back later as UN peacekeepers. And the difference is that in 1970 Pakistan, North Korea, and South Africa didnt have Weapons that could take out an entire city with just one missile getting through. When a counrty has these types of weapons that they can launch from half the globe away and take out say oh New York city with one missile it becomes a bt more fragile of a situation. And that is the difference.

cheeba0228 -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/5/2004 8:42:09 AM)
quote: They are sitting on a commodity the rest of the world cannot live without. Make crude oil unnecessary and they will go back to being a little people, a silly people, murderous and barbarous and cruel AND nobody else on the planet will give a rat's rear end about them or the way they act. Um just wondering where you get your info from? Everyone says that this war is about Oil. o.k. prove it. Heres my proof. 60% of the Us supply of oil comes from and heres a shocker.........the US. Texas mostly. Out of the 40% or so left over 32% is from Saudi Arabia. The total US consumption of oil from Iraq is 4% thats right boys and girls just 4%. That 4% is all from the Oil for Food program. And jsut before I go on my rant heres where I get my info. OPEC and the House commitee on power and energy. You remember the program dont you? Thats the one where Clinton set up a program to give the people of Iraq food, but all it did was allow the Iraq regime to take the food and trade it off to other countries barely a drop of grain ever hit the starving people. So lets not make this whole thing about WMDs and Oil lets make it what it really was about. The threat to our country and other countries, and the threat of his treatment to his own people. I highly recommend you get your facts from a reliable source next time and get them straight before you go touting off. Oh and for all your concerns over 4% that equates to about 6c per gallon when you fill up your VW bus on the hippie parade. I liked Clinton as a President but I think he's putting the honor of the presidential office to shame with his mud slinging tour. Then again these are just my thoughts and research I'd be glad to hear something factual to counter it and not just suspicion and assumptions and what if's.

iwillserveu -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/5/2004 1:27:54 PM)
quote: Sure, what Saddam did or didnt do may have been bad, but is it any worse than Pakistan, North Korea, South Africa in the 1970s, China in the 1990s, Sri Lanka, etc. Sinergy, I know you were trying to be funny, but... You want to fight China? Go ahead. North Korea has hostages in South Korea and Japan. (Seoul is in conventional artillary sights and would last about 5 minutes before completely rubble in a totaly conventional war.) South Africa did not have France and Germany leading the sanction breaking. Pakistan is on our side right now, so is India. Sri Lanka? News to me. How about England, France, and Russia. (Hint: if you invade Russia do it in early spring.[:)])

iwillserveu -> RE: write and read the right rant (8/5/2004 1:34:37 PM)
Besides all this is just another "Issue" to make you think the Repblicrats and Demicans are really different. Where were the Democratic millionaires before the war? If Iraq has pretty flowers bloom and warm puppies for everyone and the troops come home, how much does that affect you? Bread will still cost the same, and (surprise[:)]) everyone in federal government will be rich not in the social insecurity program, and government will get bigger.

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