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Slave Tendencies? - 11/21/2005 6:32:09 PM

luvdragonx

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The Man and I were talking today and he asked me if I knew what 'Submissive with slave tendencies' meant on profiles. We'd both seen this phrasing on several profiles, both male and female. At first I said that 'slave tendencies' loosely translates to 'service oriented'. Then after a little discussion, I decided that it meant that the sub in question was open to being a slave at some point - with the right person. Then we looked at each other and decided that it would be a good idea to just ask the group.

Any thoughts? Ideas? People who use the term - what does it mean for you?

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/21/2005 6:37:26 PM

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Pretty much as you surmised. It's for people who believe submissive/slavery is like on a sliding scale. Or that you are a submissive until you are owned, then you are a slave.

And I'm sure some do it because they like the idea of being slave-like cuz it sounds cooler.

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/21/2005 8:08:54 PM

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To me that translates as someone who wouldn't completely discount the possibility of yielding in slavery to someone... if there happened to be someone out there who could make them see themselves as enslaved.

Lady Zephyr

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/21/2005 8:40:48 PM

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I considered myself, for one man only, His slave, and he was the only Master i've had. That's not to say i haven't had a few other partners over the years, partners where i was a submissive (or even His submissive) and times when i've bottomed. I think we all have our own definations of Master/Dom or slave/submissive, and maybe that's partly what makes finding a partner we can completely trust so difficult..

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ORIGINAL: luvdragonx

The Man and I were talking today and he asked me if I knew what 'Submissive with slave tendencies' meant on profiles. We'd both seen this phrasing on several profiles, both male and female. At first I said that 'slave tendencies' loosely translates to 'service oriented'. Then after a little discussion, I decided that it meant that the sub in question was open to being a slave at some point - with the right person. Then we looked at each other and decided that it would be a good idea to just ask the group.

Any thoughts? Ideas? People who use the term - what does it mean for you?

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/21/2005 9:17:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: luvdragonx

'Submissive with slave tendencies' meant on profiles. We'd both seen this phrasing on several profiles, both male and female.

Any thoughts? Ideas? People who use the term - what does it mean for you?

It means the person has little to no real life experience and wants to believe that they're a slave because they read in a chat room that slaves have deper submission and more trust than a submissive and that slaves are better.

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/21/2005 9:25:46 PM

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greetings, love
drag ,
on
x,
....please: correct me ,if i'm wrong?....

oh gaud: is a blue rose deviant?!

beautiful!

slave seems, to be something i would call myself
something more permanant
a way ,of life, and, lifestyle ,or destiny.
fate ,with a whole-lotta' rules ,or has an adopted ;new; unwritten ;accepted,BUT,altered :'constitional bill ,of rights'.
a sub is ,to me = useless,
not a title;
abhorant ;
all, by it-self ,....just a passable" behavior"?
sickening,
AND, ALONE ,by appearance: a sidestep,to the light-stuff
,but ,as an ,undertone ....,unstated;
IT'S :a desirable; attractive,( when pronounced) "trait",
IN BED.

A MORE CONCRETE ANOLOGY:
DO I GROW TREES ,AND;VEGIES I CAN EAT ,OR ,USE,
OR FLOWERS I CAN LOOK ,AT....(IN OTHER WORDS;ONE SERVES A PURPOSE WHILE THE ,OTHER IS A TOKEN,OF THE ,OTHER)
ever hear;
"what no slaves !?;send ,in the subs please"...

....,

BUT, WITHOUT USING VALUE JUDGEMENTS,OF A VANILLA MISSIONARY:YOU CAN'T MISTAKE GENTLENESS,FOR WHIMPYNESS...FOR EITHER SLAVE,OR SUB.

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 4:48:10 AM

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i was sub.........now i am slave,simple.

when one finds a man to Master them properly,they yield to the burn in the belly that cant be denied.

then it feels like a power exchange)imo)

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 4:51:32 AM

Rover

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I'm no slave, but have found that Nexium takes care of that burn in the belly quite nicely.

John

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 4:51:44 AM

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no real life experience huh, that's cute!!

some of us have loads of experience in a number of roles w/in the lifestyle and find being owned and protected is what WORKS for them.
isnt wiitwd great, everyone has THEIR own kink and well, opinions.

ps i've NEVER been in a chat room
(guess that makes me an odd man out in your theory/but their is ALWAYS exceptions to the rule)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: luvdragonx

'Submissive with slave tendencies' meant on profiles. We'd both seen this phrasing on several profiles, both male and female.

Any thoughts? Ideas? People who use the term - what does it mean for you?

It means the person has little to no real life experience and wants to believe that they're a slave because they read in a chat room that slaves have deper submission and more trust than a submissive and that slaves are better.

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"Accordingly, men must then either fulfill their nature, or deny it, and in denying their nature, deny us ours, for ours is the complement to theirs. " Renegades

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 4:54:17 AM

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roflmfoa Rover, that a good one!!!

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ORIGINAL: Rover

I'm no slave, but have found that Nexium takes care of that burn in the belly quite nicely.

John

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"Accordingly, men must then either fulfill their nature, or deny it, and in denying their nature, deny us ours, for ours is the complement to theirs. " Renegades

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 4:59:33 AM

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Just for a point of reference, could you please provide some context by sharing how you distinguish a slave from a submissive in a TPE relationship. To date, I have found only two distinctions:

1. Based upon a sliding scale in which submission (and Domination for that matter) exist on a continuum, and everyone draws the fuzzy line differently as to where one ceases to be a submissive and becomes a slave. In other words, it's relative to the individual.

2. Based upon meaningless platitudes like "slaves have no rights, no limits" that are always proven false factually (though may continue as an enjoyable fantasy).

John[/b]

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:27:39 AM

Rover

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Well, to be fair there is a third category:

3. Individuals may have a simple personal preference over one adjective or another; one that they find more personally pleasing.

John

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:31:07 AM

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sure ,i'll share....disclaimer ....my opinions only...lol

1. i found as a sub i still had as much power in the relationship as i did when i topped, actually more as a sub,
(b/c my ex-subbie was training me to please his sammie needs,lol.)

as a submissive i have found that Doms will let me run the show[(my limits,how i want to be trained etc.) now perhaps its not all. maybe ,maybe not...just my experiences.] i felt as if i were the puppetmaster and they danced on my string and for their reward they got to have kinky sex.

2. i dont want my ass kissed, i want to be ruled. i will manipulate and use my womanly wiles to get my way in a heartbeat if a man isnt strong enough...to keep me in line...
someone posted once in the realist Gor Master thoughts ended w/ ......"the same woman that manipulate have a belly screaming for a man to own them"...or some such words.................well its true.at least for me.
*****
having a Master is diff than a Dom. b/c.....
re life decisions....
Master does allow me certain inputs into my life but basically the last decision i made was to be owned.He has the final say on everything and if i dont like it,its pretty much too bad.

i could be a lil wimp and beg release,lol, but if he says no,guess what again...sure i could run away but ...not me...

there will be days i get angry at master for breaking thro my walls, and taking some of the bad habits away.
there is pleasure in his building on the qualities he sees in me that attracted him to me in the first place.
there is joy in knowing how i please him and how proud he is of me.

Master is most wise and we do share the same goals for me professionally and i know my sexual limits will all be gone w/ the exception a very few and that is b/c those are his limits.

re:body....
i'm not controlling how far anyone can go w/ mine.my body is his and his manner is such that he will not cause me permanent harm..either physical or mental.

i asked a good many questions of him concerning many areas of my life before deciding if this was the way to go for me.
i do not commit my entire being for someone's use lightly.
i take this very seriously.....

hope this sheds some insight into what you were asking me *** still java deficient***

but bottom line
1.yes its all relative to the individual.....
2.limits are masters.........imo

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Just for a point of reference, could you please provide some context by sharing how you distinguish a slave from a submissive in a TPE relationship. To date, I have found only two distinctions:

1. Based upon a sliding scale in which submission (and Domination for that matter) exist on a continuum, and everyone draws the fuzzy line differently as to where one ceases to be a submissive and becomes a slave. In other words, it's relative to the individual.

2. Based upon meaningless platitudes like "slaves have no rights, no limits" that are always proven false factually (though may continue as an enjoyable fantasy).

John[/b]

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 11/22/2005 5:37:54 AM >

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:36:37 AM

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So, it isn't the labels (submissive/slave, Dominant/Master) that you're differentiating (if I read your reply correctly). It's the dynamic of the relationship itself.

What you're describing as a Master/slave relationship is a TPE relationship, regardless of label (Master/Dominant, slave/submissive). And that really goes to the heart of my inquiry. A TPE relationship is a TPE relationship, regardless of whether one prefers the label "slave" or "submissive" (ie: a rose by any other name would smell as sweetly).

So, in order to understand you more clearly, are you saying that anyone in a TPE relationship is (by your definition... and there's nothing wrong with having one that works for you) a slave?

John

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:41:57 AM

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they can call themselves whatever they wish...that is their perrogitive(sp) in life to be /do /say whatever it is that floats their boat.

i speak only for my voice...

Master has his own,lol

but yes for us...

TPE=M/s= fulfilling for both

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

So, it isn't the labels (submissive/slave, Dominant/Master) that you're differentiating (if I read your reply correctly). It's the dynamic of the relationship itself.

What you're describing as a Master/slave relationship is a TPE relationship, regardless of label (Master/Dominant, slave/submissive). And that really goes to the heart of my inquiry. A TPE relationship is a TPE relationship, regardless of whether one prefers the label "slave" or "submissive" (ie: a rose by any other name would smell as sweetly).

So, in order to understand you more clearly, are you saying that anyone in a TPE relationship is (by your definition... and there's nothing wrong with having one that works for you) a slave?

John

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"Accordingly, men must then either fulfill their nature, or deny it, and in denying their nature, deny us ours, for ours is the complement to theirs. " Renegades

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:44:32 AM

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Bingo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Well, to be fair there is a third category:

3. Individuals may have a simple personal preference over one adjective or another; one that they find more personally pleasing.

John

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"Accordingly, men must then either fulfill their nature, or deny it, and in denying their nature, deny us ours, for ours is the complement to theirs. " Renegades

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:47:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
they can call themselves whatever they wish...that is their perrogitive(sp) in life to be /do /say whatever it is that floats their boat.

i speak only for my voice...

Master has his own,lol

but yes for us...

TPE=M/s= fulfilling for both

Is this the same guy you were asking about getting involved with for training earlier this month? Have you been able to meet offline yet?

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:49:46 AM

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Thanks for helping me understand your premise. You took a welcome (and I would say logically defensible) twist, avoiding an intractable defense of the terms themselves (which seemed to be where this was headed), in favor of a very reasoned attention to relationship dynamics (ie: TPE).

You and I are in perfect agreement (I know you will rest easy tonight knowing that).

John

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:53:18 AM

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lmoa-
now tell me how did i KNOW you were going to ask this question?

your getting predictable LA.

if you are so concerned w/ my business.......
as a friend,lol, of course,

and you are concerned for my best interests aren't you....?????

dont you think there exists better ways to handle asking personal questions?

than on the boards...lmfaof LA your a trip

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RE: Slave Tendencies? - 11/22/2005 5:58:35 AM

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ah the arguement as to sub/slave ,Master/Dom will continue for the ages.....it gives all the stubborn folk much to discuss,,it all boils down to what works for some doesnt work for others.
to me...the dynamic is what it is all about..

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Thanks for helping me understand your premise. You took a welcome (and I would say logically defensible) twist, avoiding an intractable defense of the terms themselves (which seemed to be where this was headed), in favor of a very reasoned attention to relationship dynamics (ie: TPE).

You and I are in perfect agreement (I know you will rest easy tonight knowing that).

John

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 11/22/2005 5:59:47 AM >

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