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RedMagic1 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 6:32:22 AM)

I have never really understood the phrase, "You're anonymous on the internet."  There's at least one witness to every single thing I do: ME!  As far as I can tell, I behave the exact same way online as I do in real life.  I have to live with myself and my actions.  It's not as though I turn self-invisible when I'm in front of a computer.

Is fantasy more important to you than reality?  Fantasy is fun.. and hotttt.  But at the cost of your self-respect?  At the cost of obtaining consent from others?  Bleah.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 6:36:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

...sign up on a gay BDSM message board/personals site with a fake male profile and pick up 'cute gay bondage bottoms', pretend to be a top, get them on cam, make them do stuff while I pleasure myself, but never agree to talk on the phone, reveal my gender or meet them in real life?  Is it unethical if I tell them up front I never will meet them but am just looking for online jollies, but still never reveal my true gender? If I go through the whole process of filling out a profile and make all the stuff up just so I can get off on looking at guys on cam in bondage, does that make me a cheat and a liar?


That makes you one of the trolls that are so very lamented on our own boards. That makes you just as bad as the men signing up as women to get their jollies. You are a wanker, in that scenario, lying to get what you want.
When we run across people on here that do it, everyone gets realy up in arms. So, if you have thought about it, you essentaly lose your point of argument. If you get taken on here by a guy masquerading as a girl, or a Dom playing sub online, a married guy who is just playing single to get his rocks off or anyone else who misrepresents you can no longer say a damn word.
You would be just as bad as them.

So, yes, it very wrong of you to do. It is not respectable in the slightest. It runs the risk of hurting someone just so you can be amused, and its a very premeditated lie which you can carry off without the slightest it of remorse. If you can lie that fluidly under this circumstance, who is to say your ability to contort the truth is any less in others? How can you be trusted elsewhere when you are so open and eager about lying on that forum?

DV




Jeffff -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 6:36:44 AM)

I am stunned by the politeness of the answers here. I will be reminding many of you of these responses

when you flame some poor motherfucker for some dumbass thing HE posts

Jeff




Alumbrado -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 6:43:59 AM)

Are you claiming the OP should be flamed for saying  that this sort of thing goes on online?  Or for saying that she wouldn't do it herself?




Jeffff -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:02:15 AM)

As I read it, the OP is looking validation the it would be ok. Many other posters, both men and women have been

hammered for less. I am saying that just because something " goes on" doesn't make it right


Jeff




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:05:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I am stunned by the politeness of the answers here. I will be reminding many of you of these responses

when you flame some poor motherfucker for some dumbass thing HE posts

Jeff


Amazing is it not?  I just reread my own post on this thread and I'm simply at a loss as to what to say.




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:10:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

As I read it, the OP is looking validation the it would be ok. Many other posters, both men and women have been

hammered for less. I am saying that just because something " goes on" doesn't make it right


Jeff


Jeff, I took as being a question of introspection.  She openly admits she's thought about it.  However is not into doing it.  She's wondering how many people have went a head and did it anyways or not. 

Perhaps far more people then you realize have actually thought the same exact thing.  I mean everybody seems to be doing a pretty good job of relating so far.  

Don't tell me, you've never entertained this thought for even a split second?




AAkasha -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:34:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

Of course, the OP could just sign on to a pay gay play site (wow...say that 10 times fast) and watch all the gay bondage porn she can handle...of course then (1) she'd have to pay for it and (2) she couldn't get all the attention she gets when she posts this inane question.

E.


This is an honest question, and those that have read my posts before already know that I do enjoy the services of a pay for play gay web site, www.flirt4free.com -- and don't mind playing with the boys there quite regularly. Especially because many are Russian  :)

Akasha




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:39:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

Sounds more up-front than 90% of the profiles up on any of these websites.  There's plenty of exhibitionists out there that I'm sure would be willing to perform on camera for the Hell of it.  Although really, is asking a gay guy to strut his stuff even if you're a female really that bad?  My gay guy friends used to let me watch them tie each other up and make out and stuff.

Unethical in my opinion would be if you posed as a man and led a guy on with pretenses of a relationship, but since that's not what you're looking to do, I vote go for it.


I could never do it. In my mind, it -is- dishonest and unethical. If the person really didn't -care- whether the individual on the other end of the computer was a certain gender, etc., they wouldn't be posting in a specific place, with specific criteria (in this case, a gay site)--they'd post and cam-chat in some open forum and just say "come one, come all!"

It is just as wrong as if some guy posts as a lesbian poly, hoping to scam some cam-shots of girl-on-girl.

It is lying, deceitful, dishonest, unethical -- and, IMO, just plain ignorant.

*shrugs*
Calla Firestorm

(Edited because I apparently hadn't read enough posts before posting myself)




Evility -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:41:52 AM)

I always assume that hot chick online is really a retired plumber from Dayton named Tony.




Alumbrado -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:43:15 AM)

quote:

just call me "odd man out"



Since you aren't the only person saying this would be unethical, what is honest about pretending that you are the odd person out?




chamberqueen -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:43:41 AM)

It can be fun to explore ideas like that in your mind, and to wonder about it.  The question I would ask myself (and I'm not judging anyone else) is could I do any harm to someone by it?  Personally, I could not have fun if I knew it could end up hurting someone else.

I have had people play false with me and do it very convincingly.  Some were after attention, some after money, some just seemed to delight in playing a cruel game and seeing how much they could manipulate somebody.  Maybe I'm more sensitive because I have been on the receiving end.

I sometimes daydream about things that I know I could never live out in real life, and frankly it is fun.  Living out something that causes hurt to another is a whole different story.




Jeffff -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:44:44 AM)

Actually I have not.......... and it is possible I am just cranky today...lol

Jeff




AAkasha -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:44:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

As I read it, the OP is looking validation the it would be ok. Many other posters, both men and women have been

hammered for less. I am saying that just because something " goes on" doesn't make it right


Jeff


Jeff, I took as being a question of introspection.  She openly admits she's thought about it.  However is not into doing it.  She's wondering how many people have went a head and did it anyways or not. 

Perhaps far more people then you realize have actually thought the same exact thing.  I mean everybody seems to be doing a pretty good job of relating so far.  

Don't tell me, you've never entertained this thought for even a split second?


That's a good point - I think a lot of people are trying to act quite morally superior in lambasting me for even suggesting such a thing (although, if you will note, I suggested it in saying I doubt I could EVER do it, not the other way around). At least I have the balls to admit I've thought about it - the fact that I can't morally bring myself to do it is the issue.  I bet many people here have considered, even for a moment, the idea of being deceptive in order to get a quick round of jollies.  Perhaps others did it once and feel ashamed.  Then there are others maybe practicing it regularly and because they are filled with self loathing, they decide to come off acting very morally superior.  Who knows.

I do agree that if a man posted the same thing, he'd probably be flamed to a crisp - but, maybe not, if he presented it as honestly as I did.  I don't *like* that the feeling/idea is exciting and interesting to me.  More recently it's become a more common idea because there's a couple of really hot gay boys I see around that I 'd love to get my "virtual" hands on, and because a lot of the hot BDSM "play" I have been doing online here on collarme (with straight sub boys) the guys really could care less to talk to me on the phone or see proof I am female, which baffles me -- I want to talk to them on the phone and make sure they know I am female for my piece of mind also.  Many just don't really care - for them, I suspect, it's the acts that get them off and they can imagine I am whoever I they want me to be - maybe they are picturing an Asian woman and my american accent would ruin it, who knows.

I know some are very eager to find a way to jump on me morally. I'll get my gay boy fetish satisifed in good time.  But I'm doing it the honest route and talking to a couple of producers of gay bdsm porn about taking an assistant -  producer type role that will allow me limited "control" (hahah) of some scenes and situations in exchange for money.  Then, everyone is happy.  Of course, I don't know how happy some of those gay models will be about having a femdom around, but they are getting paid, and they can always say no......

Would it be cheaper and easy for me to create a "daddy" gay top profile and just solicit hot videos from cute bondage bottoms who think I am a muscle-bound hunk? Sure.  But I can't go there.  Maybe there's a line in between where I just don't state either way what my gender is, but even then I think I'd be dreading the question about my cock size. I can't imagine going back, "Oh, I thought you meant my STRAP on cock size...I never thought you believed I was a REAL man..."

Akasha




MistressOfGa -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:45:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Evility

I always assume that hot chick online is really a retired plumber from Dayton named Tony.

<Cleans up the coffee> This is hysterical lol
"Hi my name is Tony, I'm a retired plumber from Dayton...." lmao!




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:56:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

just call me "odd man out"



Since you aren't the only person saying this would be unethical, what is honest about pretending that you are the odd person out?


Point made. I don't always read every post before I post myself, so write it off to reading a string of "I don't see anything wrong with it" posts, and then posting myself.

CFB




christine1 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:58:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2


Don't tell me, you've never entertained this thought for even a split second?


i know you weren't talking to me, but no, i've never had this thought, even for a split second....but i don't get my rocks off online either.  it's just not my thing.  your mileage may vary, and that's what makes our wonderful world go round.




Level -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 8:28:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

...sign up on a gay BDSM message board/personals site with a fake male profile and pick up 'cute gay bondage bottoms', pretend to be a top, get them on cam, make them do stuff while I pleasure myself, but never agree to talk on the phone, reveal my gender or meet them in real life?  Is it unethical if I tell them up front I never will meet them but am just looking for online jollies, but still never reveal my true gender? If I go through the whole process of filling out a profile and make all the stuff up just so I can get off on looking at guys on cam in bondage, does that make me a cheat and a liar?

No, I have not done it.  But I have thought about it.  I don't think I could ever bring myself to do it, but I can't help but think that it's done a lot in the het online community across all spectrums, and to some degree, it's "buyer beware"; if the guy on the cam is getting off on it just as much and didn't ask, who cares if he thinks I'm a hairy bear dude when I'm really a chick?  I guess I care. 

It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  I'll never do it.   Maybe I should - screw it, right?

Thoughts?

Akasha



Get a bi male sub to sign on, and top the gay males; you get your rocks off, and no one is lying.




catize -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 9:29:53 AM)

quote:

 I find this thread to be a very highlighting one for the posters that aren't responding, just as much as those that are and stating they find this acceptable.  


Are you suggesting that because someone doesn't post on a thread it means they agree with the OP of that topic?  If I felt compelled to respond to everything that I disagree with I'd never get anything else done!  BEsides, there were some very eloquent disagreements here that I felt were 'nuff said and I didn't need to repeat them.
In fact, I've made the very firm decision to not respond to topics that are my own personal 'hot buttons'.   




kiwisub12 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 9:40:35 AM)

I don't understand the appeal of making gay males submit to a woman. I am thinking that is part of what gets the OP off in this scenerio. Whats wrong with men who like women? Sounds to me that you have issues.

and yes - dishonest, disrespectful and just plain wrong.




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