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Pyrrsefanie -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 6:14:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: christine1 not interested in "pretties" but yay for those who are. as a side note, i'm a little buzzed if that makes any difference at all. Hm. quote: DISCLAIMER: I speak only for myself

LaTigresse -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 6:21:33 PM)
Before reading anyone else's reply I will write my own, uncoloured. I wouldn't, couldn't, do such a thing. I cannot imagine compromising my own personal integrity in that manner. I try very hard to represent myself in the most honest way possible. Doing what you describe would not be honest, therefor compromising my integrity. I would think less of myself. I have to be honest, I would think less of a person that did something like that. Annnnnnnnnnd, now after reading it I've got nothing to add..........

agoodgirl4Daddy -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 7:05:11 PM)
it would not only be wrong for me....it would negate any honor and integrity that i may have had...just my 4 cents..inflation ...yanno

unbroken33 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/23/2008 8:11:37 PM)
That's too funny. Some gay guys do that to us straight folks, and i have no friggin idea why. It almost feels good to hear You do it back though, lol... j/k i'll never forget the first time i got duped by a guy pretending to be a Lady--it was on slavefarm

tsatske -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 5:18:05 AM)
My second husband used to do this - in the traditional way. You know, big hairy guy sitting at the puter pretending to be a cute little Lesbain slave girl. He met someone online with whom he carried out a leagnthy corrospondance - a nice Lesbain Domme. According to her story, she lived about 20 miles from us. They corrosponded for a year. Neither of them ever suggested a phone call or a meet for coffee, or attending a munch together. The subject never came up. When I asked him why he thought that was, he said he didn't question it, he was just grateful, since he couldn't do any of those things anyway. when i told him what was obvious and apparent to ME - that he was talking to another big hairy guy, he assured me i was totally off base - he, of all people, would know. I enjoyed the whole show immensely - i thought it was hilarity in a teacup.

katie978 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 5:23:50 AM)
~fast reply~ To me, the evilness factor would depend on how involved you got with people. Would you pick up an 'online slave'? Or would you simply serve as a masturbation aid for horny people online who really don't give a rats ass if you're a man, woman, or exotic animal? Forging some type of relationship beyond "Send me some pics" or "Yes, mmmm, yesssssss": moral shadiness. "Send me some pics" or "Yes, mmmm, yesssssss": Okay by me, certainly others (probably those types just looking for masturbation aids) would have problems with that.

Paulnz -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 7:05:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tsatske I enjoyed the whole show immensely - i thought it was hilarity in a teacup. Very funny and obvious.

aperversetwist -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 10:44:17 AM)
So long as you are up front about no meeting, no phone calls, and no reciprocal cam. He gets off, you get off. Just do a good job at playing a gay man and give the guy a good time. It's internet chat, it's not reality it's just fantasy and make believe. It's only real when you meet in real life. So have fun. If you intend to meet irl then be honest.

MsMinx811 -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 1:32:57 PM)
I have a simple thing that I finally was told as a child when I was finally caught in too many lies but these were the kind of lies for self protection so it was understandable to the person but still wrong. I had a rough few early years ages 1-6 and so came to loving people with alot of self protections that were hard to strip away but this was one thing that got to me a few years later. It was told to me by a wonderful understanding teavher at school. It took me a while but I finally did understand and Held my head higher as it kicked in. Here it is: Your word and keeping it honestly is your bond and honor If you lie, or fail to do your best to keep your word to your utmost you have no honor. Your honor is your worth and it is priceless beyond measure, If you disgrace your honor then you have given away your Worth. MsMinx811

aperversetwist -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 2:04:39 PM)
I agree to keeping your word and not lying. But is indulging in fantasy roleplay online in a chat room really being dishonest? With the understanding that you aren't leading the other person on to think there will be future irl meeting or phone calls etc.

RumpusParable -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 2:10:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha ...sign up on a gay BDSM message board/personals site with a fake male profile and pick up 'cute gay bondage bottoms', pretend to be a top, get them on cam, make them do stuff while I pleasure myself, but never agree to talk on the phone, reveal my gender or meet them in real life? Is it unethical if I tell them up front I never will meet them but am just looking for online jollies, but still never reveal my true gender? If I go through the whole process of filling out a profile and make all the stuff up just so I can get off on looking at guys on cam in bondage, does that make me a cheat and a liar? Akasha I'd say that, yes, it would clearly make you a liar. That has zero to do with anything other than answering a question in a way that's inaccurate, purposefully. Is being a liar in this particular scenario a big bad deal in this scenario? I'd say no. If it's one of the many situations of phone/im/cam-sex/play where never meeting or making more of things is understood, as you've described the hypothetical here, then it matters absolutely not at all what you really are behind the screen. They are interacting with a fantasy person, not you, and they know that. They don't know what the specifics of the reality are behind the fantasy are because they're not looking for reality and you're not giving it. It's the equivalent of: person1: what r u wearing? person2 (sitting in sweat pants and shirt): black lace panties or person1: so, how big is it? person2 (5 inch penis): only about 7 inches, but i'm very thick... They're intentionally using a free cybersex/cam line. Some people can't admit that to themselves, some like to attach fantasy relationships to anonymous cybersex exchanges. If they have either or both of those instabilities it's not the other party's fault.

Raechard -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 2:21:41 PM)
I'm just surprised person 2 can get away with wearing black lace panties if he has a 7 inch penis. I'd find that a bit uncomfortable.[8\|]

MistressOfGa -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 2:50:18 PM)
quote: i thought it was hilarity in a teacup I think your whole story is funny, but this last line is as you would say "Hilarity in a teacup" lol I love it <s>

Venatrix -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/25/2008 3:34:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard I'm just surprised person 2 can get away with wearing black lace panties if he has a 7 inch penis. I'd find that a bit uncomfortable.[8\|] Just think of it as a very decorative chastity device.

JerryFrankster -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/26/2008 9:55:05 AM)
I think it's time for you to get in tough with your inner troll! Do two way webcam, and wear a big fake moustache. Try to talk like a guy, but be sure that it's still pretty obvous that you are a woman. If they question you about your gender, deny everything.

HornyToadsMI -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/26/2008 6:26:45 PM)
Anytime someone engages in an online party, there is always the concern that maybe someone is recording, or the watcher is not what you think they are. It reminds me of the joke about the sex operators - they were really very fat hairy women who were pretending to be 18 yr old sexy babes. If it floats your boat....go for it. :) quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha quote: ORIGINAL: Honsoku If it leaves a bad taste in your mouth, then you already know the answer. Well, I know the answer for me personally. I think deep down I wondered if other people could talk me out of feeling bad about it and get me to do it, ahhaha...but probably not. But people do it all the time I'm sure. They obviously don't feel bad about it - they create entirely fake personas, steal pictures, etc. to get what they want - obviously it's not sociopathic, too many people do it. Am I a prude? Akasha

HornyToadsMI -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/26/2008 6:28:10 PM)
Oh, Oh, Oh...wear a strap on and tell them you are a She-male!!!! quote: ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster I think it's time for you to get in tough with your inner troll! Do two way webcam, and wear a big fake moustache. Try to talk like a guy, but be sure that it's still pretty obvous that you are a woman. If they question you about your gender, deny everything.

colouredin -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/26/2008 7:05:01 PM)
Edit to avoid drama Left saying I couldnt do it even explaing the meeting and whatnot it just seems a little ikky to me

tsatske -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/27/2008 5:40:12 AM)
quote: Anytime someone engages in an online party, there is always the concern that maybe someone is recording, or the watcher is not what you think they are. It reminds me of the joke about the sex operators - they were really very fat hairy women who were pretending to be 18 yr old sexy babes. Go take a look at my pic <eg>. Although i wouldn't describe myself as 'hairy' (unless one is refering to my hair being past my butt - but, otoh, i am going bald, too, so maybe you should refer to me as 'unhairy'. or just, bald...) I am forty and def big and fat. I have worked as a phone sex actress. "My roomate and I got back from our run and then had a nice shoewr together, but then she had to go to work and left me here all alone. I'm lonely and bored, so I thought I'd log on. What are you doing? What am I wearing? Well, honestly - it's sort of embarrassing, but - I'm not really dry from my shower yet, so I was just lounging on the bed here. what are YOU wearing? mmmm - that sounds sexy. I bet you look great in stained grey sweat pants over boxer shorts. So you are bare chested? Thats soooo nice.... are you very hairy? pick one: That's great. I hate hairy guys. It's like being in bed with a bear.... That's so wonderful. Nothing better than running my fingers through your chest hair, esp on a guy with a nice, hairy, masculine chest.... ' yea, i think you are getting the picture :)

HagiaSophia -> RE: How WRONG is it of me to dishonestly.... (8/27/2008 10:12:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quinta I don't think you should masquerade as another just to get something that could probably be easily obtained with the truth. Ah, but I disagree. Part of what is being obtained is the false truth, the seeming betrayal. If the lovely lady is after betrayal, then she has managed to engineer a scenario whereby the unethical elements are mitigated by the clear definition of terms - no relationship, no RL contact, purely mutual cyber fantasy satisfaction. The key word being "fantasy". When two adults agree to participate not in reality, but a virtual fantasy, all bets are off. The guy isn't signing on for a LTR, but for the opportunity to jack off and be humiliated on webcam. Virtual personas are one othe most liberating and ethically fraught byproducts of the internet. It's just something dirty little boys and girls have to accept as a plausible risk. People pay for similar experiences never caring whether the reality matches the fantasy - phone sex operators typically aren't that hot little vixen in the ad, hell, sometimes they're not even female, but it doesn't matter because the fantasy has been successfully maintained, thus acheiving the desired result - orgasm (or humiliation or fill in your blank). Personally, I have a teensy betrayal fetish, myself. Like the OP, it's a subject that causes me to exercise a lot of restaint, choosing instead to savor it as one of my favorite fantasies. It hits all my predatory buttons - exposure, vulnerability, and fear. Just the idea of it makes my nostrils flare. So, in closing, BRAVA, AAkasha. This thread really got my blood pumping.

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