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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:02:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly what I was thinking, Thadius.
 
And the flat tax does indeed hold some interest for me, too. Hell, there has to be something better than the bottomless pit we have now.

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:06:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah but why are we talking about those types of things.  If this ticket gets elected we are going to be taxed back to the stone ages, or at least to the wonderful late '70s.

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:12:34 AM   
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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:16:00 AM   
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All I want is to know that the top 2% is paying their fare share, into a system that has allowed them to become so wealthy.

What is the "fair share"?  And who gets to make that call?


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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:18:53 AM   
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Conservative columnist David Brooks had a piece in yesterday's New York Times, saying that he hoped Obama would choose Biden as his running mate "for the good of the country."

He cited Biden's working-class roots, honesty, loyalty, and experience as important strengths.

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:20:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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All I want is to know that the top 2% is paying their fare share, into a system that has allowed them to become so wealthy.

What is the "fair share"?  And who gets to make that call?


Well just going by some positions of the presumptive nominee... Perhaps this is how it is decided.

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Rius, Marx for Beginners (New York: Pantheon Books, 1976), page 152
An "economic, social and political doctrine which expresses the struggle for the equal distribution of wealth by eliminating private property and the exploitative ruling class. In practice, such a distribution of wealth is achieved by social ownership of the means of production, exchange and diffusion."


Just one possibility,
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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:23:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Conservative columnist David Brooks had a piece in yesterday's New York Times, saying that he hoped Obama would choose Biden as his running mate "for the good of the country."

He cited Biden's working-class roots, honesty, loyalty, and experience as important strengths.

I thought this closing bit from an Op/Ed piece in the Boston Globe rather interesting:
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Instead, he chose as his vice presidential nominee a man who will be an invaluable partner in governing -- and one who would be considerably more qualified than he for the top job.

And that tells you something important about Obama as well.

So Biden is the right choice for VP because he is better suited to be President than Obama?

While the choice does say quite a bit about Obama, what does that observation say about the Democratic Party itself?


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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:24:34 AM   
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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:28:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like Biden's words on the matter... “I would not accept it if anyone offered it to me. The fact of the matter is I’d rather stay as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee than be vice president.”

I guess that is out the window now, eh?

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:35:07 AM   
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While the choice does say quite a bit about Obama,


The choice says that Obama recognizes his weak points and is secure enough to draw on those with greater experience in those areas. I see that clarity and security as important strengths for a leader.

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what does that observation say about the Democratic Party itself?


It says that we recognize that leadership, particularly in the bully pulpit of the presidency, takes more than just a weighty resume. It also takes intangibles, such as the ability to connect with and inspire people.

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:41:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

It says that we recognize that leadership, particularly in the bully pulpit of the presidency, takes more than just a weighty resume. It also takes intangibles, such as the ability to connect with and inspire people.


I will agree with you about one thing... Obama has lots and lots of intangibles.  However, I am not sure that policies falling under that description is a good thing.

Just sayin,
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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:45:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's important to remember, I think, that what both Obama and McCain have now are potential policies. Making them actually happen will depend in large part on how well whoever's elected can work with Congress.

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 11:47:23 AM   
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It says that we recognize that leadership, particularly in the bully pulpit of the presidency, takes more than just a weighty resume. It also takes intangibles, such as the ability to connect with and inspire people.

That is the one thing that it cannot say.  Scot Lehigh said quite plainly that Biden is more qualified than Obama for the Presidency--which is the direct opposite of your assertion here.

If Scot Lehigh's position is the position of the average Democrat, why are they voting for Obama?  Why did they not vote for Biden in the primaries?


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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 12:06:24 PM   
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General ...

I like this choice. Senator Biden has a lot of experience working with members of both parties. I think he brings a different experience set to the table. By making this choice, it's clear that Senator Obama was not looking for a yes-man, but someone who has something to contribute. The two men differ on many issues. I think that's healthy, as opposed to having a White House more interested in a lock-step presentation of policy.


Biden has a lot of personality. He connects well with others. He's not scripted, and he's articulate without sounding pedantic, stiff or elitist.

Looking at his bio, I think this struck me the most, "Biden was first elected to the Senate in 1972 at the age of 29. A month after his election, his wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. "

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 12:08:36 PM   
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Scot Lehigh said quite plainly that Biden is more qualified than Obama for the Presidency--which is the direct opposite of your assertion here.


I think Biden and Obama are qualified in different ways. Biden has a weightier resume; Obama has a gift for inspiring people--no small gift in a job where the key power is, as Richard Neustadt (sp?) put it, "the power to persuade."

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If Scot Lehigh's position is the position of the average Democrat, why are they voting for Obama?  Why did they not vote for Biden in the primaries?


Is Lehigh a party spokesman? If not, his opinion is his alone and shouldn't be projected onto other people.

People voted for Obama over Biden because they saw him as a stronger nominee.




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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 12:30:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I loved Obama's introduction... "Let me introduce you to the next president.... Joe Biden."  Good to know that Obama realizes his role in this ticket.

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 12:43:20 PM   
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Is Lehigh a party spokesman? If not, his opinion is his alone and shouldn't be projected onto other people.


Ok, I'll break it down then:

Is Lehigh's opinion reflective of other erstwhile Democrats?

If it is, why are Democrats advancing a lesser qualified candidate?


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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 12:44:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		We're going to be seeing a lot of Biden's words come back to haunt him in the next few months.

What a horrible choice. The simple fact that Obama chose Biden is evidence enough that he is too stupid to hold the office of President.

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 1:06:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did anyone else see the rally in Springfield,Il.?? Barack called Joe Biden the next President, and Biden called Barack, Barack America. Their first rally was laughable...

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RE: It`s Joe Biden - 8/23/2008 1:10:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with people in govt. who have "foreign policy experience" is that they want to engage in it more rather than do their primary duty which is to manage and take care of our country.
"Foreign policy" should be at the bottom of all of their lists when we have thousands of bridges in the country that are in danger of collapse!
Also, "foreign policy" usually means taking Taxpayer Dollars away from Taxpayers and giving it to foreign countries which most Americans are against.
We need to END "foreign aid" programs.
I want my president's *full attention* focused on the U.S. not on foreign countries!
To me "foreign policy experience" is a liability not an asset.



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