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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 7:35:00 AM   
Abaddon2u


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It may possible that he assumed that the term intelligent man was an oxymoron.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 7:36:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only problem I see in stating that you are looking for an intelligent man is that no man I know of will admit that he's not.  LOL

All people like to think that they are smart; most like to think that they are kind; the majority like to think that they are good looking though I will admit that I have gasped at a few photos of people here who claim that they are handsome and I just can't see it.  (I actually reprimanded one sub and told him that it would be much more submissive to remember that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and he should allow the Mistress to decide whether or not he is handsome and not to proudly proclaim it while looking for one.)

The Dom has his right to his opinion but that doesn't make it right.  I go along with what the others have said - you have the right to look for whatever you want.  I couldn't imagine submitting to someone who I felt did not have a good level of intelligence; I could never allow total trust to build.


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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 8:00:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP, you are absolutely obligated to state up front your requirements for a Master.  To do less would waste time of your prospectives.  you have done well.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 8:02:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP, you are uncollared...i'm not sure where the question lies...do what is best for YOU.  being a slave doesnt' mean not having a brain to think with, even if you are owned.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 8:04:12 AM   
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OP, you are absolutely obligated to state up front your requirements for a Master.  To do less would waste time of your prospectives.  you have done well.

Ignore the wanker.



Agreed... it would be a set up for failure to assume that either partner could be all things to all people. Spell out at least some parameters, and the more you weed out the merrier.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 9:22:07 AM   
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Calling yourself a slave when you're unowned is kinda like calling yourself a wife when you're not married....  

And I disagree.  I think slave is a relationship orientation and is no different than calling yourself a bisexual when you aren't having sex with anyone.  You can be an "unowned slave."

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 11:49:20 AM   
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i am a slave, have been for many years. i had a Dom comment on my profile, stating that i had no right to state that i was looking for an intelligent Man. i didn't think i was worng, am i?


Greetings moonbeam,

I would have asked what constitutes intelligence in your eyes.  Some want that Phd, some want just high school, some want the male to be experienced in the usage of BDSM equipment.  If you have just...intelligent ....in your profile it is hard to evaluate what you desire from the male.

Just my thought would be to define the intelligent part in your profile and then go from there.  It is your life until you beg or get given the collar, or you have gone down the road that it feels like the Dominant or Master has your leash already without having the collar around your neck.  If it feels good, do not knock it, just go with your heart.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 11:58:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Abaddon2u


It may possible that he assumed that the term intelligent man was an oxymoron.

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I'm sure you are only spesaking of yourself.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 12:00:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: moonbeam713

i am a slave, have been for many years. i had a Dom comment on my profile, stating that i had no right to state that i was looking for an intelligent Man. i didn't think i was worng, am i?


We all have the right to seek the one we really want.  Any compromise taints the relationship.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 12:12:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		[quote]i am a slave, have been for many years. i had a Dom comment on my profile, stating that i had no right to state that i was looking for an intelligent Man. i didn't think i was worng, am i? [/quote]

Greetings Moonbeam,

you say you are a slave your profile says your a submissive.  Maybe you need to sort that one out first. 

How do you define intelligence?  Someone may have a lifetime of experience, and well read and be intelligent in his/her conversation.  Others may be academic achievers but that does not necessarily mean that they are more or less intelligent than the rubbish man.  An academic qualification is just a piece of paper that proves that the person has achieved a recognised standard it does not define intelligence in my book. 

No you were not wrong in stating your preferred option, but to others it could be seem as discrimination. 

Focus50, on this occasion with respect, I disagree with you.  Labels are important when you are looking for a particular type of person in the bdsm community.  If moonbeam says she is a slave then what good would she be to a dom who doesn't seek a slave?    I agree with Ravenmuse "it is the way your wired".  The only problem with using labels is to ensure that every one understands the definition of the language and given the diversity of the lifestyle, then comprehension and understanding is imperative otherwise there are "crossed wires" and more confusion. 

Far to often we can have a conversation and talk past each other rather than talking to each other because definitions of what labels mean differ.   

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 12:34:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FrankAr

I would have asked what constitutes intelligence in your eyes.  Some want that Phd, some want just high school, some want the male to be experienced in the usage of BDSM equipment.  If you have just...intelligent ....in your profile it is hard to evaluate what you desire from the male.


I don't really see anything wrong with leaving it as is. As far as my profile goes, I use the word "wise". I feel those who stumble onto my profile and need to ask me the definition of wise probably isn't a good match anyway, so it serves its purpose as is...

quote:

...If it feels good, do not knock it, just go with your heart...


I feel following only your heart in seeking any kind of partner can lead a person into trouble. Heart-strings are often easy for others to tug on and can be purposely used to manipulate a person. I feel it's much wiser to use all of your skills to find a match. Utilizing any lessons learned from past experiences, friends' experiences, using your own wisdom and intuition, and thinking things through all have a place in making good life decisions. Don't be afraid to use the gray matter...

Edited for spelling - You'd think in discussing wisdom and intelligence I'd at least spell stuff correctly....


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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 1:26:15 PM   
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i am a slave, have been for many years. i had a Dom comment on my profile, stating that i had no right to state that i was looking for an intelligent Man. i didn't think i was worng, am i?
OK, taking this item by item...

"i am a slave, have been for many years.  "
OK, so you self-identify as slave.  Given that only you can really decide what that word means, I'd suggest looking deep inside yourself.

"i had a Dom comment on my profile..."
Perhaps I'm misreading this, but the way you write it make's it sound like some sort of semi-random flyby sort of comment.  In other words, one you may choose to heed, but certainly should be deeply suspcious of given the person in question probably knows little about you.

"...stating that i had no right to state that i was looking for an intelligent Man."
Really?  How fascinating.  So out of curiosity, exactly how did this random dom gain the authority to describe what rights you have and don't?  Is it simply because he self-identifies as a dom?  Well dang!  So do I!  So I think that as a slave you ought to sell all your assets and send me a check for the proceeds.  There, now your poor AND stuck with stupid men.  Are things getting better yet?

More seriously
OK look.  The word "slave" has no definition that is commonly accepted.  So when you say you are a "slave", the only person who can comment on what is appropriate or not for that role is you.  The fact that this "dom" tried to make such a comment is suspicious.  One might interpret loosely his statement to mean, "Your idea of what a slave is and mine are incompatible."  OK fine.  You and the alleged "dom" are incompatible.  But yes, you still have every right to try to find yourself the best possible partner for you that you can.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 2:58:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: moonbeam713

i am a slave, have been for many years. i had a Dom comment on my profile, stating that i had no right to state that i was looking for an intelligent Man. i didn't think i was worng, am i?

Once you say you are a slave, you immediately lose all rights to question what any self-appointed "dominant" has to say.  By saying you are a slave, you are obligated to say "Yes, Master" to every carping capricious criticism the self-appointed guardians of the lifestyle have to vomit in your direction.

It even says so in the Official Protocol Manual for Twue Submissives and Slaves, 2008 edition.

Or you could just remember that you are a human being first, and sweetly, submissively, servilely, suggest that such criticizing "dominants" enjoy a nice game of hide-and-go-fuck-yourself.


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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:04:47 PM   
BKSir


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Status: offline 		Damn, I never thought I'd agree with Celticlord (no offense, you have some great viewpoints and arguments, just totally opposite of mine, historically speaking).  But yeah, if you wish to call yourself 'slave', and truly mean it, you have no choice.  You're property, like a car or television.  You do as you're told, you don't get to question, that's what a 'slave' is.

Now, as a 'sub'/'pet'/whatever else, I'd say, sure, far more leeway to question, be a little picky even...

Remember, be careful what you ask for, you just may get it.


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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:07:07 PM   
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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:09:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL, yeah, I left that in my other pants today.  By the way,  Hi! :)

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:11:58 PM   
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LOL, yeah, I left that in my other pants today.  By the way,  Hi! :)

Hi back.  I keep my sarcasm my wallet right next to my driver's license and ATM card.  That way I never leave home without it (never can tell when it will come in handy!)


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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:14:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

ORIGINAL: moonbeam713

i am a slave, have been for many years. i had a Dom comment on my profile, stating that i had no right to state that i was looking for an intelligent Man. i didn't think i was worng, am i?


It even says so in the Official Protocol Manual for Twue Submissives and Slaves, 2008 edition.



Must find Sir's hiding place.....

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:18:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I, also, in my profile included that I want someone intelligent. 

If he was actually an intelligent person he wouldn't be even adding that comment.  Sounds like he feels intimidated by your education or standards-- I say ignore him... along w/ the many others that type things like "get down on your knees slut".

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:20:06 PM   
BKSir


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Status: offline 		Okay, whoops...  I TOTALLY missed the 'uncollared' part of that.
Pfft, uncollared you're no different than everyone else, and can ask for whatever you damn well please.  He doesn't like it, he can just go *CENSORED* right up the *CENSORED* with a flaming *CENSORED*.


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