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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:21:27 PM

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...It even says so in the Official Protocol Manual for Twue Submissives and Slaves, 2008 edition...

Does anybody have the Amazon link?... I could use a book like that...

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:22:05 PM

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if you wish to call yourself 'slave', and truly mean it, you have no choice. You're property, like a car or television. You do as you're told, you don't get to question, that's what a 'slave' is.

BK ... your forgetting one fundamental point here. Unless the girl, is in relationship with a Master, then she is not "just property". She is a woman, whose capable of deciding for herself who she will surrender to. She holds the power, just as any sub/pet/or whatever has to be just as picky. She has to be more in tune in what the dominant may or may not be and how she would envisage seeing herself with that person. Just because one advocates that they are slave, does not give "dominants" the right to be demeaning and rude and show disrespect to what they do not own.

The OP, says she is a slave but she is not owned and so therefore she holds the power and the key to her whom she surrenders to. She does get a choice to surrender otherwise it is pure abuse which we do not subscribe to.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 3:25:59 PM

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if you wish to call yourself 'slave', and truly mean it, you have no choice. You're property, like a car or television. You do as you're told, you don't get to question, that's what a 'slave' is.

BK ... your forgetting one fundamental point here. Unless the girl, is in relationship with a Master, then she is not "just property". She is a woman, whose capable of deciding for herself who she will surrender to. She holds the power, just as any sub/pet/or whatever has to be just as picky. She has to be more in tune in what the dominant may or may not be and how she would envisage seeing herself with that person. Just because one advocates that they are slave, does not give "dominants" the right to be demeaning and rude and show disrespect to what they do not own.

The OP, says she is a slave but she is not owned and so therefore she holds the power and the key to her whom she surrenders to. She does get a choice to surrender otherwise it is pure abuse which we do not subscribe to.

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Yeah... covered that a couple seconds ago... like I said, "Totally missed the 'uncollared' part". >.<

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 4:00:20 PM

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/23/2008 5:34:13 PM

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You have every right to say what you are looking for in a Master. Thats why its a personals website! You state what you want and what you are into, they state what they want and what they are into. You find someone that matches somewhat to your wants and needs and hopefully you hit it off. Maybe that guy was just stupid and was upset that you were looking for someone with a brain that could hold a conversation about more than just sex... You choose who your partner is going to be, you have the right to state what stipulations you have for that partner to fill the "Master shoes" position. Honestly that guy was just a douche bag, dont let him bother you so much. :D

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 3:32:24 AM

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I only refer to myself as 'Master' when I'm in an M/s *relationship* - actually owning a slave is what validates the claim. Otherwise, I'm a Dom; I don't need anyone else in my life to validate that.

Calling yourself a slave when you're unowned is kinda like calling yourself a wife when you're not married....

Focus.

*** i see You call Yourself a Dom - when You do not own a slave - but what - in Your opinion - should a slave call herself when not owned? This is asked seriously...because i feel i am who i am - owned or not?***

All Masters are Dominants but not all Dominants are Masters - just as all husbands are men but not all men are husbands....

All slaves are submissive but not all submissives are slaves - just as all wives are women but not all women are wives....

Bear in mind that this is all just my *opinion*, just as it is that anyone wanting to call themselves Master or slave when not actually in such a RELATIONSHIP is trying too hard to make gold from lead. Life doesn't need to be that complicated; we have choices and I choose not to delude myself...!

Your turn.... Enlighten me; what is so important about being an unowned slave as opposed to simply 'submissive'? This is about perceived status or hierarchy; you're out to prove something or make a statement, for eg?

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 3:50:15 AM

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This crap about "you are not a slave unless you are owned" rather shows that some people put more importance on apperance than on substance.

Wether I Own a girl at this precise time or not doesn't change who nor what I am, it doesn't change how I am WIRED. I am wired to be a Master, that wiring doesn't go away simply because I don't Own a girl... I may not currently be able to act on it but it is what I am.

Same with a slave, if an unowned girl is labeling as slave I assume she is simply saying that is how she is wired, that is what she seeks, what she needs.

What I am doing can carry different labels... Master, Dom, Top..... but what I AM only has one label, it speaks to how I am wired... I am a Master.

Ahem...
This crap about "I am wired to be a Master, that wiring doesn't go away simply because I don't Own a girl..." rather shows that some people put more importance on appearance than on substance.

You're not even a challenge anymore, dammit...

A hypothetical,
There you are, all on your lonesome sitting on a rock somewhere; not another soul around (the pic took itself).

Question: What is the difference between still being a "Master" (to no-one) rather than a "mere" Dom? How does this wiring differ between the two when it's no more useful or relevant to you than being male, white or hetero while sunning yourself on that same lonely rock?

From here, it looks like it's all about appearance than any relevant substance....

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 3:56:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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Calling yourself a slave when you're unowned is kinda like calling yourself a wife when you're not married....

And I disagree.

Well shoot, if I'd known that from the get-go I wouldn't have had to bother with my previous two posts....

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 4:08:20 AM

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Calling yourself a slave when you're unowned is kinda like calling yourself a wife when you're not married....

And I disagree.

Well shoot, if I'd known that from the get-go I wouldn't have had to bother with my previous two posts....

Focus.

Hey, I know, let's turn what should have been a straightforward (totally unrelated) question into an aeons long argument over semantics.

People use the terms differently. Some people treat the terms 'slave' and 'Master' almost like verbs, implying that there needs to be some sort of action in order for these terms to be used correctly.

Others use them more as passive nouns, describing a state which exists whether it is active or not.

Taken to the logical extreme, one could argue that one is only a Master when one's slave is in the room, and vice versa, otherwise, if one is alone on a beach, and there is no-one around to Master, the chappy turns into a mere Dom, until such time as a submissive comes along and assumes the role of slave.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, one can be a three day old Master - sure, no control over basic bodily functions, or even an awareness of being an individual entity, but nevertheless, wired for Mastery.

I jest of course, because what this really is, once again, is one person (or persons) trying to tell another person (or persons) what they can and can't be, and what they can and can't call themselves. Why these people care how others refer to themselves is quite beyond me. You're arguing over a submissive calling herself a slave when there are women wandering around quite seriously referring to themselves as Goddesses!? Where will the madness end!

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 4:08:28 AM

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Focus, Some see slaves as people who only want to at the begining say these rules guidelines and such and limits and nothing else is said on it, where subs are seen as people who negotiate often.

Much like the difference between a bottom and a submissive. Hence the "unowned" someone saying I a slave want little to no control at all on my life. Where many submissives would say, I only want to hand over control of this this this and this to start and as we evolve hand over more.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 4:19:40 AM

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All slaves are submissive but not all submissives are slaves - just as all wives are women but not all women are wives....

See I have known a fair few slaves who dont consider themselves submissives, its all about personal definition as you say its your opinion of what the term means, others have a differant definition, problem is when you make a blanket statement as fact when its just opinion. Also the comparison is problematic because the definition of sub and slave as you well know is very subjective

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 4:27:12 AM

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Focus, Some see slaves as people who only want to at the begining say these rules guidelines and such and limits and nothing else is said on it, where subs are seen as people who negotiate often.

Much like the difference between a bottom and a submissive. Hence the "unowned" someone saying I a slave want little to no control at all on my life. Where many submissives would say, I only want to hand over control of this this this and this to start and as we evolve hand over more.

So calling oneself an unowned or uncollared slave says something different than, sayyyy, a submissive seeking an M/s relationship or seeking to be owned by a Master etc?

See, I'm a single fella but the "semantics" that missbratly is rattling on about seems more appropriate when I start referring to myself as an unmarried husband. I'm sure that won't send the wrong message to any prospectives, either...! lol

At least, not when it can be done soooo much more simply....

Maybe it's time they renamed this forum "Tell a Master", too...

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 4:32:10 AM

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Hi colourdin,

If you look closely, what Focus50 said is that all slaves are submissive - no s - rather that submissives which makes the statement true, all slaves are submissive. *smiles*

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 4:35:37 AM

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Pedantic correction aside, I will simply rewrite what I said I know people who consider themselves slaves who dont consider themselves submissive, maybe hard to get your head around and as its not me I cant explain it with the same passion that they would, but still it stands.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 4:40:05 AM

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Eh frankly I dont care simply trying to shed some light on it. I can see your point, but i can also see people dead set on being called slaves. Just like some are dead set against it

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 5:19:03 AM

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what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for?

Well moonbeam first of all,

to the boards.
Secondly, let me share some wisdom my mother gave me long ago,

"mamita, you can ask for ANYTHING....that doesn't mean you're going to get it..."

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 5:32:42 AM

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what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for?

Well moonbeam first of all, to the boards.
Secondly, let me share some wisdom my mother gave me long ago,

"mamita, you can ask for ANYTHING....that doesn't mean you're going to get it..."

Well, it might mean you will. I am told, "You're gonna get it", ALL the time!

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 5:54:04 AM

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You're not even a challenge anymore, dammit...

A hypothetical,
There you are, all on your lonesome sitting on a rock somewhere; not another soul around (the pic took itself).

Talk about not being a challenge, take your head outta your ass and maybe you'll be able to see better.

So you are telling Me that if you are alone on a rock... you are gay? You stop being straight? Thats 'just wiring too' are you telling Me that for you it changes if you are alone?

Or are you telling Me that this isn't how you are wired, that it is something you DO rather than something you are?

For Me and for many, this is who We ARE, how We are wired. Alone or not Our wiring doesn't change. A slave is still a slave, a Master is still a Master.... I don't look for a submissive and hope I can persuaide her to "pretend to be a slave for Me" I look for someone who is wired that way, someone who IS a slave, someone compatable, a relationship where We can both be fully ourselves with no pretence.

If it is just a hat you put on at 'playtime' for You then it is no wonder you can't comprehend it.

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 6:04:05 AM

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Hey, I know, let's turn what should have been a straightforward (totally unrelated) question into an aeons long argument over semantics.
<snip>
..... because what this really is, once again, is one person (or persons) trying to tell another person (or persons) what they can and can't be, and what they can and can't call themselves.....

Noticed that, didja? Good eye....

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RE: what constitutes what an uncollared slave can ask for? - 8/24/2008 7:05:27 AM

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Well, you're right, i don't see how someone can be a slave and not be submissive to her/his Master or Mistress. Personally i've never encountered a slave who wasn't submissive i'm would love for any slave who isn't submissive to explain how that works. Of course someone can be a submissive but not a slave but i don't see how the opposite could work.

Furthermore, my correction is more than pedantic it's the truth and literally what was written.

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