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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 12:20:26 PM   
WhiplashSmile2


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Beating somebody's beautiful curvy sexy hot little ass red along with a few good wacks right on their pussy... whispering sweet nasty things in her ears... feeling her melt away... turning into a puddle of mush.  The rattles of chain, the smell of leather.. all so very wonderful and pleasent to the senses. 

I swear my face is glowing with a smile, and my eyes are all lit up light a christmas tree or something. 

Now the Teletubbies that's something that literally creeps me out to think about it.. makes me want to shut off the TV and curl up in a dark corner, fearful of what the world might turn into at any moment.  http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/teletubbyland.html

Having a neighbor that looks and acts like Mr. Bean, now that's something that totally squicks me out.   http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Mr.+Bean

Shall I continue on with sharing more things, that I personally find dark?

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 1:20:59 PM   
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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 1:36:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I agree debate is good.
Unfortunately this thread seems to me to have become nothing more than a thinly veiled......
*your kink is not my kink and its not ok
*younger generation having digs at older generation
*older generation having digs at younger generation
It's not constructive.


Please note, not once have I said my kink is better or younger or older, or what ever...... I simply was trying to start a conversation, a topic, that would make people think and asked what has changed in BDSM since you became involved in it..... could be involved for 40 years or 4 months, what has changed, how have you grown, what do you see differently?
Instead of commenting on the topic, many people have instead choosen to comment on what they thought I was saying.
I respect all people's kinks and choices ( beyound the big ones that are unacceptable for all), they might not be mine, but it doesn't matter.
I love and respect my slave.
I am polite to all people dominant, submissive,switch, gay,straight, or bi, transgender, young or old, blue, black purple or green unless they give me a reason not to.
I truely thought this topic would bring out the good, and healthy debate and conversation..... 


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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 1:47:12 PM   
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Having watched You play, and thinking about Your post, i can understand a little better Your line of thinking on this. 
 
The last wicked, i found myself biting my tongue when a couple watching a scene stood behind me and acted as if they were watching a football game, complete with shouting and squealing at the couple playing.  I found this to be rather disrespectful. 

For some attending these events, it would seem they view it as a spectator sport instead of a personal interaction between two people.  Yes, we play in public to be watched, but respect goes a long way from those being invited to witness a very personal moment between two people. 

Can't say it was any different when dinosaurs roamed the earth ~smiles~  but think this is where You were heading with Your post.   
 


PJ,
I think you are correct, that was one of the very raw or sore spots of late, and perhaps one of the reasons for this post. As I had my beloved pet bound firmly to the cross, I heard nice things like hit him again, hit him harder...... and I had to stop myself from using the single tail on those people instead of my pet. It was the first time in a long time, neither my pet nor I got into the moment shall I say.
I enjoy public play, and yes I am a bit of a exobitionist, but there used to be some invisable boundry, that no one crossed at public play parties, that seems to have poofed.
It seemed like in such a rush to be PC and allow everyone who wanted to come in many have lost the protacols of the past, which often prevented such things.
oh well........ maybe next time we all go out to play I will bring police tape to mark off my play area, and ear plugs......lol


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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 1:56:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

This thread is kind of amusing.
You've got the younger generation telling the older generation to get with the times.
The older generation saying the younger generation and the damned internet has spoiled things.
Then there's those who just 'do' bdsm in their own way and don't think things have changed anyway.
 
I'm personally with the third as i 'do' bdsm as i always have and screw what anyone else is doing or thinks about it. Honestly does it really matter if there are fluffy people in bdsm anymore than it matters if there are dark people in bdsm?
 
Really does anyone care if bdsm has become pc? Has it changed what you do? Has it altered your enjoyment, lifestyle, way of thinking?
 
Do you care if the younger generation think you are an old fuddy duddy stuck in your ways? Do you care if the older generation think you have ruined bdsm with the use of new fangled technology?
 
The more time you waste pondering questions about change, which is inevitable the less time you have to beat someones ass / get your ass beaten.

edited for bad spelling, grammar, in fact general bad typing.


As long as there is some darling boy who will let me use his body as a living canvas for my needles and blades (and eventually maybe even for my cautery branding pen), I don't give a holy hoot what someone else across the room is doing. (Ok, that's not quite true -- if my Darling is having an awesome scene, I may even slip out of my zone to watch what she's up to -- her scenes can be fascinating. *grins*... oh... and if I catch the smell of someone branding, or hear a tattoo pen starting up.... OOOOOoooooo shiny.....for me, anyway! *LOL*)

I also haven't noticed a whole lot of 'change' from when I first started doing pastoral care in this area some 20 years ago -- many of the same hang-ups, and many of the same interests and worries -- and lots of people who are trying to figure out where they fit in the big picture.
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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 2:09:07 PM   
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If there are people who want to consider bdsm "dark, secret and forbidden"   -   let them.

If there are people who are fluffy bdsm   -  well, bless their fluffy little ears, and more power to them.

And for the rest of us inbetween - beat on, whip on and enjoy the pain and power!

As for the internet  - it has given those of us who had no idea that there were others out there that were the ying to our yang - a venue, a forum and a way to meet others likeminded. Thank goddess for Al Gore for inventing the internet!!

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 3:42:26 PM   
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Let's take toys and equipment for example. How many of you dominants have a crossbow in your toybox? How about a rack? Bow and arrows? A cannon? Do any of you Daddy Doms out there have a ducking stool and take your female submissive or slave down to the pond?

BDSM was actually universally acceptable back then. Indeed every town had stocks where you could try out your submissives and the town's people would help you by pelting them with rotten food and giving them verbal abuse. Female submissives were taken to the pond and ducked for public displays of breath play, branding was popular, as was torture, bondage, whippings, floggings, beatings and pony play - but back then they used real ponies.

There was the iron community, and these were really hard men who would dress up in their iron clothing and attend 'jousts' and tourmaments and whack each other with 50ft buttplugs. They were hardened sadists who thought nothing of riding horses at each other to deliver maximum pain. Because Collarme and these message boards didn't exist in those days these men would come together in huge groups for very long, heavy BDSM sessions involving their most gruesome toys and fight it out. Some people got killed, and this seemed part and parcel of BDSM in those days - the risks were real.

There were munches and events, just like today and usually these events were held in forts and castles and were preceded by play, especially from members of the iron community. They weren't the softies like you get today with their needle play. No, these people used real bows and arrows and when they got impaled they would immediately go into subspace and fall down. There would be crossbows used, catapults and slingshots. When everyone was tired from playing, or dead, whatever the case may be, the tradition was for the visiting kinksters to trudge off into a forest to find the biggest tree trunk to batter down the entrance to the fort.

There were the Tudors, Plantagenets and Elizabethans who were actually royalty but who believed that being born makes you dominant. Henry VIII was one of the crappest male doms in history. It took him several female submissives to understand the meaning of safewords and that beheading tended to end the relationship. One of the better known dommes was of course Elizabeth I, who was red-haired, into corsets, verbal humiliation, and who owned her faithful male submissive Sir Walter Raleigh. He was perhaps one of the most devoted male submissives. I mean, how many male submissives today are prepared to go off and sail for weeks to discover another country with a buttplug shoved up their butt in chastity just to bring back their domme tobacco and a sack of potatoes?

Whichever way you look at it, you must admit that we have come a long way since then.

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 4:08:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		So the reason for this post is that at some clubs, they don't have a rule or social protocol about being quiet around other peoples scenes?  That's it?

Some clubs do, some clubs don't.  That's the risk you take when you play in public unless it's your own house/party- you don't make the rules for everyone.  Go to where you find happiness, don't go where you don't.

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 4:33:00 PM   
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I mean, how many male submissives today are prepared to go off and sail for weeks to discover another country with a buttplug shoved up their butt in chastity just to bring back their domme tobacco and a sack of potatoes?



He did. Hehe.


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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 8:22:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		is "PC" a euphemism for "not as legitimate?" 
what makes it legitimate?  being "out" about it?
dressing in certain clothing?
being 24/7?

Daddy and I are about as ordinary looking on the surface as can be.  We are not members of any group nor do speak openly about our private proclivities (except anonymously on message boards from time to time!).  Still, that doesn't mean our life together isn't a valid expression of how we choose to distribute power between us.  We recently talked together about why we choose not to use the terms Master and slave.  We agreed that we want to define our relationship in a way that isn't related to historical relevance of those terms.  That's our own personal choice.  We respect others who do use and live those terms.  The fact that we choose to be Daddy and his little girl doesn't mean that our relationship is soft or fuzzy.  On the contrary, our relationship is full of delicious paradoxes that feed our souls.  Call us PC if you wish, because we don't wear leather and I don't sleep in a cage.   


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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/28/2008 9:03:44 PM   
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But face facts everyone protocols change as time progresses.

Otherwise we'd all still be abiding by protocols out of the bible or from ancient Rome, or Egypt etc. };>)

Get my point? Things evolve this is not a bad thing.


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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 4:22:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now now, let's not forcefully pull other peoples long time views out like sticks stuck in the mud.

Who would have ever thought things might change in time.  The world is a very dynamic place.

Even more so when change was set in motion the very day that BDSM was concieved of for the reasons that it was.   Somebody clearly had social change and reform in mind when they did that.

Some people just wine, bitch, moan and grown like little old ladies stuck in a nursing home.  It's clear they ain't going anywhere any time soon.

Oh my god, change is upon us, the sky is falling, and life as we know it is going to hell in a hand basket.  

You'd think change in the BDSM community somehow contributes to global warming or threatens the extinction of future dinosuars.

Like I'm really thinking about all this crap when I'm having my wicked pervy ways with them.  Making them drop to their knees, latch spreader bars onto them, stuff a ball gag into their mouth, and trace a flogger between the folds of their legs.  Trust me, I'm more focused upon bulding anticipation as to whan I'm gong to deliver that first wonderful blow to their bare ass naked body, to hear them make their first little or loud noise.

I could really care less about how somebody did what I'm doing today, 20 years ago, or how other people are going to be doing, long after I'm dead and gone.

I'm just gonna enjoy what I'm doing in the hear and now, and well fuck how the Romans, Ancient Egyptian did it.  Those MoFo's had their turn and chance to do it their way.   Let some ancient Archaeologist that actually gives a fuck dig up the dirt and figure out how it really used to be done, write a book telling us that this is the one true way.  Might make for great coffee table reading after Christmas time. That's the time when people exchange crappy pointless gifts.

I suppose somebody is going to get all pissed off over the fact I pulled the string of Chirstmas tree light bulbs out their ass without warning, but I'm a cold mother fucker at times.  I'd snip the wires off your GPS automobile Navigation system and see how many people can really find their way to where they think they want to go.

If I just made somebody spew their morning coffee.. Hahahah..  It just brighten my day already.  

BTW, I can't wait for some books to become all musty and moldy smelling, and distroyed for being the health hazzard that they really are. 

What a beautiful day...

With that all said... "How do you like me now?"

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 4:27:36 AM   
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PJ,
I think you are correct, that was one of the very raw or sore spots of late, and perhaps one of the reasons for this post. As I had my beloved pet bound firmly to the cross, I heard nice things like hit him again, hit him harder...... and I had to stop myself from using the single tail on those people instead of my pet. It was the first time in a long time, neither my pet nor I got into the moment shall I say.
I enjoy public play, and yes I am a bit of a exobitionist, but there used to be some invisable boundry, that no one crossed at public play parties, that seems to have poofed.
It seemed like in such a rush to be PC and allow everyone who wanted to come in many have lost the protacols of the past, which often prevented such things.
oh well........ maybe next time we all go out to play I will bring police tape to mark off my play area, and ear plugs......lol



So the post is more about people interfering in your play?  If you are having problems at a club or party, that is down to the DMs, not so much the people.  Plus it is up to you.  Nothing wrong with asking people to refrain from interfering.  I am totally lost why this is PC?
Maybe you simply need to find a club or party that caters to your requirements?
 
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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 4:41:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: UmbraDomina
PJ,
I think you are correct, that was one of the very raw or sore spots of late, and perhaps one of the reasons for this post. As I had my beloved pet bound firmly to the cross, I heard nice things like hit him again, hit him harder...... and I had to stop myself from using the single tail on those people instead of my pet. It was the first time in a long time, neither my pet nor I got into the moment shall I say.
I enjoy public play, and yes I am a bit of a exobitionist, but there used to be some invisable boundry, that no one crossed at public play parties, that seems to have poofed.
It seemed like in such a rush to be PC and allow everyone who wanted to come in many have lost the protacols of the past, which often prevented such things.
oh well........ maybe next time we all go out to play I will bring police tape to mark off my play area, and ear plugs......lol


I would have just ignored the what the idiots wanted for their show.  People don't give a shit when it comes to their own Entertainment at times.

If they had provoked me, I would have totally stopped the scene.  Proceeded to Lecture everybody for Bad Manners like Axe Rose did at a few Guns-n-Roses concerts back in the day.  If people did not stop what they were doing, I would have then said, that's it show is over folks.   Cause a stir amoung the crowd, exit the building, and let them deal with their own social riot.

A complete alternative approach is to go to the owners or people running the joint, express yourself that this is out of control.  That they should post rules up and let everybody know, that this is no longer acceptable behavior.   If they are too chicken shit to do them.  Leave and never go back.   You don't need the bullshit.   Find another place that's better to go to. 

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 4:59:25 AM   
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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 5:25:01 AM   
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Why and when did S&M / BDSM become so politically correct?
Back in the day ( when the earth was flat and dinosaurs roamed the land...lol) S&M was pretty straight forward...... one person wanted their ass beaten, one person wanted to beat their ass. The dominant partner was in charge of the play, actions, and safety of the submissive and the submissive partner submitted their body, mind and soul to the dominant.
I would love to see a few other people's opinions of how S&M has developed over the years, for good or bad.



I honestly don't feel that bdsm is PC. I think in my lifetime it has been co-opted, but then so have many many other things that have been co-opted as well.

All cutting-edge (no pun intended) activities become co-opted. Certain pieces of music that now look tame were considered 'threat' but are now enjoyed by audiences. I'm thinking about a particular moment in my life....when i was 18 and had already left home for three years. having run away at 15 i was under-age sex for the man i lived with. I lost my virginity whilst high out of my head on a illegal substance yet below the so-called age of consent. I had bite marks as if bitten by a dog along the inside of my thighs. I also had a girl friend and we whad been openly expr4ssive of our affection, holding hands in public. But our poor brothers in the gay movement were still cottaging for fear of legal repercussions.
I sat in my fish-net stockings, mini-skirted hippy heaven on a grass bank in the sunshine of 1969, listening to a transistor radio broadcast Eight Miles High from an off-shore radio station....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Miles_High
because the Byrds were banned by the BBC.
I was to attend a London Art College where students had used their bodies as protest and had held sit-ins in administration buildings. I was taught by a visionary man who had managed to escape the Vietnam Draft.
The factthat my thenm sexulised behaviour is now statemented by the fashionaista and played out in clubs across the land doesn't worry me in the slightest. Oh how easy it was to be radical then, when although the world oppressed almost everything i did, i had few responsibilities and certainly now where near the responsibilities i have now.
I do my bdsm now 24/7, within the context and constraints of my everyday life.  There is a seamless edge where everyday life and bdsm merge. This makes the definition of my bdsm acticvities as a slave extremely edgy indeed.....making tea and prostrating myself on the floor in the morning for master for example. Needle play in the dark and quiet places of private night time another.
I still hold the same ethical priciples that i had way back then: ethical principles that have grown as i have grown. To protect the children against exposure to what it is that i do for example.
Buti am very happy and content to have lived and experienced whatever co-option there has been: it is after all said and done, a freedom which i myself have fought long and hard for in all areas of my life.
I am entoirely grateful to have created a world where my teens feel safe enough to discuss self-harm, sex and drugs and indeed rock and roll.
As for bdsm being PC? Whatever has been co-oted will of course be poloitically correct. But the private practices and protocols of consenting adults will never be so as long as the are indeed at the cutting edge. The deeper edges remain even deeper where there is an invibile lifestyle.




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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 11:19:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I agree debate is good.
Unfortunately this thread seems to me to have become nothing more than a thinly veiled......
*your kink is not my kink and its not ok
*younger generation having digs at older generation
*older generation having digs at younger generation
It's not constructive.


Please note, not once have I said my kink is better or younger or older, or what ever...... I simply was trying to start a conversation, a topic, that would make people think and asked what has changed in BDSM since you became involved in it..... could be involved for 40 years or 4 months, what has changed, how have you grown, what do you see differently?
Instead of commenting on the topic, many people have instead choosen to comment on what they thought I was saying.
I respect all people's kinks and choices ( beyound the big ones that are unacceptable for all), they might not be mine, but it doesn't matter.
I love and respect my slave.
I am polite to all people dominant, submissive,switch, gay,straight, or bi, transgender, young or old, blue, black purple or green unless they give me a reason not to.
I truely thought this topic would bring out the good, and healthy debate and conversation..... 



Please note that i never once said YOU had. I said it 'had become' not started out.

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 11:38:22 AM   
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The changes I've noticed is disrespect for established protocols.

The advent of W/we style typing which in my opinion is hogwash and difficult to read and redundant.

The subs ,usually women, who think it's ok not to address a Dominant as Sir just because A. He isn't their Sir and B. He hasn't earned their respect yet.

There's more that I can't think of at the moment. By the way, I blame the Internet for most of the changes. It allowed newbies to come into the scene at to great of a volume to be properly assimulated.


I'll respond by saying that i am only answerable to one and therefore address him as Master. I have no contract with anyone else and will address them as i feel appropriate unless instructed to address them in a particular way by Master.
That's my protocol.

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 12:50:06 PM   
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I think the worst thing about the public scene is "the vultures".....You are playing with someone in front of this crowd-you cannot stop them-and you know they have a habit of being disrespectful-and only in it for what they can get. However they can get it. Makes my skin crawl.
This is why you have a backswing.  Which, with practice, can be used to hit the girl what just spent 30 minutes insutling you thinking you couldn't hear her.

Ivy has good hearing.  And a well aimed back swing.

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RE: S&M is now PC?? - 8/29/2008 2:15:13 PM   
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... but then in my day neither would have been allowed to speak unless spoken to first.
 
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Oh i agree....my mouth is absolutely shut unless it's absolutely open of coure......


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