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Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:36:17 PM

Thadius

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The full text is located here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94087570

Not the best speech I have seen or heard from him.
It was a decent speech. It contradicted itself a couple of times, and provided some very interesting sound bites that I am sure will be used. Like this one:

quote:

Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.
You make a big election about small things.

Can somebody please define for me what is considered working families?

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:45:24 PM

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Can somebody please define for me what is considered working families?

Isn't that pretty much everyone in the country who is part of a family?

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If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

Nice way to shoot self in foot... love it

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:46:20 PM

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Hello Thadius,

I would define "working families" as being white collar, blue collar and the working poor. Or were you looking for annual income figures and the number of homes and cars?

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:49:33 PM

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I thought it was an electrifying speech, powerfully delivered: we were moved to tears.

Emotions ran high in my otherwise politically jaded household: we are flying in the wind of hope.

And no amount of dissecting and petty analysis (which is bound to occur, of course...) will rob us of our feelings. Let's not underestimate the power of feelings when it comes to politics: I think Obama gathered a hell of a lot of support tonight.

Time will tell: everything else is speculation.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:50:34 PM

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Well Thadius, I listened intently to the speech.
I thought it was one of the best speeches I have heard from him.
He put a few of my fears to rest {like NOT raising taxes for the middle class}, and
cutting or eliminating tax breaks for all the companies that are closing and going
to other countries for cheap labor.

I thought he did a great job talking about issues that most Americans are very
concerned about!

Again, I thought the speech was fantastic.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:54:03 PM

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I will add that whatever your political affiliation, this Presidential campaign has made history by having Senator Clinton and Senator Obama both being strong contenders for the Democractic nomination. We are watching history in the making.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:54:16 PM

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quote:

working families?

Working families earn their money by working jobs as opposed to Capitalists who make money through the ownership, acquisition, and trading of assets.

In political speech the reference might also be to low-middle income wage earners.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:55:31 PM

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quote:

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Hello Thadius,

I would define "working families" as being white collar, blue collar and the working poor. Or were you looking for annual income figures and the number of homes and cars?

That is what I was asking for. Seeing as that is where he states his tax cuts will go. I am curious what income level is considered working...

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:56:46 PM

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It was more a rallying cry than a speech. It always bugs me to see a federal politician talking about investing in "education." I wish the federal government would just leave that to the states and municipalities.

He also put forth the theme of a federal government that does things -- which is the opposite mantra of Republicans who seek to dismantle it.

Seems to me that if we do have government agencies and we are paying for them --- we should task them with doing a good, proactive job.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 8:58:14 PM

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quote:

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It was more a rallying cry than a speech. It always bugs me to see a federal politician talking about investing in "education." I wish the federal government would just leave that to the states and municipalities.

That is something I can get behind.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:01:08 PM

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Roughly $50,000 per year and below. Wikipedia has charts, tables and plenty of statistics here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:03:00 PM

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Seems to me that if we do have government agencies and we are paying for them --- we should task them with doing a good, proactive job.

I would demand a refund, myself. Just close the agencies down and give me back my tax dollars.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:03:22 PM

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Roughly $50,000 per year and below. Wikipedia has charts, tables and plenty of statistics here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

So then when Obama says...

quote:

I will cut taxes — cut taxes — for 95 percent of all working families.

We can say that 5% of folks making less than $50k will not be getting a tax cut?

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:05:31 PM

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Seems to me that if we do have government agencies and we are paying for them --- we should task them with doing a good, proactive job.

He did touch on that, when he mentioned dismantelling the bureaucracy and making government services answerable and accountable.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:27:53 PM

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*Offers palm for a high-five*

I love it!

I love that Obama discussed all of the hot button issues and made his points about McCain and his (McCain’s) values. It was polite, but strong. I think it was the right mix of firm without attacking. No backing down but not waiting to be hit first, so to speak?

I love the passion, I love the ideas.

But, as a small disclaimer…I am a naïve idealist….*laughs*

As an aside, I think if anything the federal government should regulate schools more closely. Coming to the south from schools in the midwest was a shocking experience, to say the least. Having such different standards-state standards of what is taught in each class- makes it hard for students to compete across the nation. If an advanced placement biology class in rural Tennessee can’t afford microscopes for the students, then how can those students go in at the same level college classes as kids from the affluent neighborhoods who had both the supplies and experience?

They can’t and the cycle of poverty moves on for another generation.

I’m not sure what this makes me politically, but I would pay MORE taxes and GLADLY if I could get free, reliable public transportation, free higher education and reduced or free healthcare. In America.

Again, this is my opinion. And please note that I said I was an idealist above.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:38:51 PM

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I actually met with Hillary when she came to California back before Super Tuesday. I shook her hand, and heard her townhall speech. However, on Super Tuesday, my vote was cast for Senator Obama. Tonight just reminded me of why I had done that.

It's true, that Obama has given better speeches in the past, but I like to look at it this way. Coming on the heels of President Clinton's highest praises, Sen. Obama did a pretty good job, covering the party's bases. I felt something I had not felt from politics since they cancelled the West Wing, (only a joke). But tonight made me feel patriotic, energetic, and truly excited for November 4th.

People will always disagree on the finer points of politics and policy, but even Sen. Obama stated:
"But what I will not do is suggest that the senator [McCain] takes his positions for political purposes. Because one of the things that we have to change in our politics is the idea that people cannot disagree without challenging each other's character and patriotism."

I think Obama delivered a fairly good speech, with his shotgun approach to answering as many questions as possible in the time allotted.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:44:35 PM

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Senator Obama is a very good speaker, no doubt. I would be willing to drink the kool-aide if he would take one of the many things he has promissed to do, and explain how he intends to make it reality. He can even pick the promise.

Then again, I did have my tires checked and one needed a little air, and gas prices have been dropping ever since.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:47:39 PM

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Well, that 5% could always donate to a church or charity rather than give it all to the Federal Gov.

I'm just saying...

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Roughly $50,000 per year and below. Wikipedia has charts, tables and plenty of statistics here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

So then when Obama says...

quote:

I will cut taxes — cut taxes — for 95 percent of all working families.

We can say that 5% of folks making less than $50k will not be getting a tax cut?

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:49:59 PM

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Celeres,

Agreed!

i love West Wing, and always said that if a politician had those writers he/she could go all the way. i am not one for overly patriotic actions, but i was humming "God Bless America" and yelling "Amen" to the TV. And i am not joking.

the shotgun approach worked well, because it didn't get mired down in all of the mess...just hit on the ideas Obama has and how we can untie over those controversial issues, instead of getting mired down and dividing the party.

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RE: Obama's speech. - 8/28/2008 9:53:42 PM

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Celeres,

Agreed!

i love West Wing, and always said that if a politician had those writers he/she could go all the way. i am not one for overly patriotic actions, but i was humming "God Bless America" and yelling "Amen" to the TV. And i am not joking.

the shotgun approach worked well, because it didn't get mired down in all of the mess...just hit on the ideas Obama has and how we can untie over those controversial issues, instead of getting mired down and dividing the party.

He has been making these shotgun statements for the last 6 months, some of us are longing for details of HOW.

What would you say if I promised to end all violence against women in the next 5 years?

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