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slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 3:48:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

You still haven't answered the question.  It isn't that hard, especially with your claims.  What qualifications does Obama have that Palin does not?  What makes Obama more qualified for president than this woman?
Quick and simple answer Thadius(must run I understand here is a world other than this keyboard)Obama is more qualified for the simple reason he did not choose as his running mate a "hockey-mom"That in and of itself should be enough considering McCain did!!!!!!!!!


So being a "hockey mom" and also a mayor and Gov, is enough to disqualify a woman from being Vice President. Yet having 130ish "working" days as a US Senator is plenty to be President?

Interesting way to look at things, and I hope it works for your candidate.

Edited to add highlighted part.
Apples and orages Thadius,on the one hand in addition to his time in the Senate you have the nomination process.18 months of vetting,on the other hand you have McCain choosing the hockey Mom....now you tell me honestly which process do you find more exacting?




BlackPhx -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 3:51:17 PM)

Oddly enough I tend to do my own research and they do list far more than wiki ..I am waiting to see what the speeches look like come Monday but frankly I would rather look at past records than rely on any organization including the News. You can access many of the Alaskan Newspapers online or just Google her name.

What I am not impressed by is McCains touting lack of experience for one candidate and his selection of Palin. While yes she has been a Mayor of a 9000 person town that is far less impressive than you think to someone who was married to the son of a Former Mayor who ran a 10,000 person town in NJ. and whose ceremony (wedding) was performed by the then Mayor of that town. I know we aren't talking run the US level of administration. Her stint as Govenor is not over, and she is already under investigation. Good or bad end result that she is already under that fire as a govenor does not give me a flash of confidence. Frankly I could care less how many children she has spawned and a little more about how much of a world she plans on leaving for my grandchildren. The US is already far behind on Alternative fuel development and she is all for just digging for more oil..polar bears, air and nature be damned. I would hate for national geographic and Animal Planet films  alongside zoos and a museum or two to be the only way my great grands see a tree or a fox.

I would love to see a poll on how many Alaskans think she is or is not Ripe yet.

Is Either Senator a good choice for President? That remains to be seen, but frankly I actually have a little more confidence in the Gentleman who has NOT yet become completely jaded and mired in the webs of Lobbiest. They tend to save their money for the senior Senators and Congressmen.

poenkitten




cyberdude611 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 3:54:31 PM)

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Women, in general, are kick ass multitaskers.  Add "mom" into the mix and we become far superior to men in terms of output and organization under stress.  [:)]


Oh boy.....you've set yourself up for World War 3 with that post.....

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celticlord2112 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 3:54:56 PM)

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What I am not impressed by is McCains touting lack of experience for one candidate and his selection of Palin.

Does experience matter? 

If experience matters, how is Obama credible as a Presidential candidate.

If experience does not matter, how is Palin not credible as a Vice-Presidential candidate?




Thadius -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 3:55:36 PM)

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Apples and orages Thadius,on the one hand in addition to his time in the Senate you have the nomination process.18 months of vetting,on the other hand you have McCain choosing the hockey Mom....now yu tell me honestly which process do you find more exacting?


You are suggesting that the act of running for president is what makes him qualified for the job?
Yet you keep going back to calling this woman "the hockey mom", and ignoring the fact that she has held elected office for 13 years.

I could care less what vetting process was used by McCain, nobody except those that were involved know what was or wasn't done.  Therefore, the proof is in the pudding, is this woman qualified to be Vice President?  Especially when compared to the experience and qualifications of the person running for the TOP seat on the other ticket?

How is that apples and oranges?  That is simply saying.  If she is unqualified for the second seat on a ticket, what makes Obama qualified for the first seat on the other?

I hope that makes it clearer.

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During that 18 month vetting process,  and up until this past week weren't the folks in his own party questioning his experience and lack of substance?  The question still hasn't been answered, just brushed under the table, with hopes folks will forget about it.[8|]




Aileen1968 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 3:58:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Women, in general, are kick ass multitaskers.  Add "mom" into the mix and we become far superior to men in terms of output and organization under stress.  [:)]


Oh boy.....you've set yourself up for World War 3 with that post.....

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We all know it's true so of course there will be no war.   And to slave mike...I have no scientific proof.  It was meant somewhat in jest.  But not really.   Women do function well under those circumstances.  At least all of the women I know. 




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:08:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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Apples and orages Thadius,on the one hand in addition to his time in the Senate you have the nomination process.18 months of vetting,on the other hand you have McCain choosing the hockey Mom....now yu tell me honestly which process do you find more exacting?


You are suggesting that the act of running for president is what makes him qualified for the job?
Yet you keep going back to calling this woman "the hockey mom", and ignoring the fact that she has held elected office for 13 years.

I could care less what vetting process was used by McCain, nobody except those that were involved know what was or wasn't done.  Therefore, the proof is in the pudding, is this woman qualified to be Vice President?  Especially when compared to the experience and qualifications of the person running for the TOP seat on the other ticket?

How is that apples and oranges?  That is simply saying.  If she is unqualified for the second seat on a ticket, what makes Obama qualified for the first seat on the other?

I hope that makes it clearer.
No it doesn't ,and yes I am saying the act of running itself is experience and an opportunity to publicly vet prospective office holders.I will refrain from calling her the hockey mom(isn't that how she referred to herrslf?)If you will refrain from suggesting that her 5 min total on the grand stage of national politics somehow equates with his 18 month grueling hard faught nomination process....please a little reality here 13 years public service huh...the pop of that town she was mayor in was less than 9,000 people...the way I'm going I will have more IM addy's than that by the time the election is here...
edited to add if you keep coming back at me Thadius I will never get out and won't enjoy a fine evening....you wouldn't want to screw up a Sat.night would you?




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:11:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Women, in general, are kick ass multitaskers.  Add "mom" into the mix and we become far superior to men in terms of output and organization under stress.  [:)]


Oh boy.....you've set yourself up for World War 3 with that post.....

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We all know it's true so of course there will be no war.   And to slave mike...I have no scientific proof.  It was meant somewhat in jest.  But not really.   Women do function well under those circumstances.  At least all of the women I know. 
Any chance I could get some introductions? I appreciate a woman that functions well under stress!!!




celticlord2112 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:12:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
No it doesn't ,and yes I am saying the act of running itself is experience and an opportunity to publicly vet prospective office holders.I will refrain from calling her the hockey mom(isn't that how she referred to herrslf?)If you will refrain from suggesting that her 5 min total on the grand stage of national politics somehow equates with his 18 month grueling hard faught nomination process....please a little reality here 13 years public service huh...the pop of that town she was mayor in was less than 9,000 people...the way I'm going I will have more IM addy's than that by the time the election is here...

Does experience matter? 

If experience matters, how is Obama credible as a Presidential candidate?

If experience does not matter, how is Palin not credible as a Vice-Presidential candidate?

Simple questions, mike.  How about some simple answers?




Aylee -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:12:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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Women, in general, are kick ass multitaskers.  Add "mom" into the mix and we become far superior to men in terms of output and organization under stress.  [:)]
Now I for one worship woman (see the nick)but i would be very interested in any scientific data you have that supports the inherant superiority of one gender over another!


In the "under stress" aspect, if I recall correctly, it has to do with the amount of stress horemones produced by men and women, on average, by sex (ya know xx or xy, NOT fuxing)




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:17:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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No it doesn't ,and yes I am saying the act of running itself is experience and an opportunity to publicly vet prospective office holders.I will refrain from calling her the hockey mom(isn't that how she referred to herrslf?)If you will refrain from suggesting that her 5 min total on the grand stage of national politics somehow equates with his 18 month grueling hard faught nomination process....please a little reality here 13 years public service huh...the pop of that town she was mayor in was less than 9,000 people...the way I'm going I will have more IM addy's than that by the time the election is here...

Does experience matter? 

If experience matters, how is Obama credible as a Presidential candidate?

If experience does not matter, how is Palin not credible as a Vice-Presidential candidate?

Simple questions, mike.  How about some simple answers?

I have answered the questions CL,but for the sake of those not paying attention I will do so again.One was chosen thru an 18 month nomination process.The voters that chose him have said all they care to about his experience.The other was plucked from relative obscurity by McCain and his comittee and has no experience on this stage....




Thadius -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:21:29 PM)

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Apples and orages Thadius,on the one hand in addition to his time in the Senate you have the nomination process.18 months of vetting,on the other hand you have McCain choosing the hockey Mom....now yu tell me honestly which process do you find more exacting?


You are suggesting that the act of running for president is what makes him qualified for the job?
Yet you keep going back to calling this woman "the hockey mom", and ignoring the fact that she has held elected office for 13 years.

I could care less what vetting process was used by McCain, nobody except those that were involved know what was or wasn't done.  Therefore, the proof is in the pudding, is this woman qualified to be Vice President?  Especially when compared to the experience and qualifications of the person running for the TOP seat on the other ticket?

How is that apples and oranges?  That is simply saying.  If she is unqualified for the second seat on a ticket, what makes Obama qualified for the first seat on the other?

I hope that makes it clearer.
No it doesn't ,and yes I am saying the act of running itself is experience and an opportunity to publicly vet prospective office holders.I will refrain from calling her the hockey mom(isn't that how she referred to herrslf?)If you will refrain from suggesting that her 5 min total on the grand stage of national politics somehow equates with his 18 month grueling hard faught nomination process....please a little reality here 13 years public service huh...the pop of that town she was mayor in was less than 9,000 people...the way I'm going I will have more IM addy's than that by the time the election is here...


I will just repeat what I added in my edit above.  During his 18 months of "vetting" his own party has continuously asked the exact same question, What qualifications and experience does he have to be president?  Even up through the convention those same folks were asking that question, and still no answer.  Brushing the question aside, and suggesting that the mere running for the office is enough to qualify as experience to be President doesn't make it so or go away.

Ah okay, so now we at least get the admission that she was in charge of a town (regardless of pop), that is still more than Obama has ever run.  Now let's move to the next big step, she is a Gov, yet another position that not only is running a government, but also makes her commander in chief of the Alaskan national guard.  Too, as Gov of Alaska, she has had to negotiate with Canada, Japan, and Russia, over fishing and maritime water rights.  She has had to handle controls over the oil and natural gas production in her state, and has negotiated with Canada over a proposed new natural gas pipeline.  That is just the stuff off the top of my head.  Not much experience in running things at all, and not very much in terms of dealing with other governments, eh?

So how do her qualifications for vice president stack up against the qualifications of the man running for president on the other ticket?  I would say she stacks up pretty damn well, and is probably more qualified.

But hell what do I know,
Thadius




farglebargle -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:24:24 PM)

Qualifications begin and end here.

She's a "Young Earth Creationist", who believes -- contrary to all scientific evidence -- that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.

She is unqualified for SCHOOL BOARD much less any position of more responsibility.




Aileen1968 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:38:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Any chance I could get some introductions? I appreciate a woman that functions well under stress!!!


I would, but they're all from NJ.




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:41:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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Apples and orages Thadius,on the one hand in addition to his time in the Senate you have the nomination process.18 months of vetting,on the other hand you have McCain choosing the hockey Mom....now yu tell me honestly which process do you find more exacting?


You are suggesting that the act of running for president is what makes him qualified for the job?
Yet you keep going back to calling this woman "the hockey mom", and ignoring the fact that she has held elected office for 13 years.

I could care less what vetting process was used by McCain, nobody except those that were involved know what was or wasn't done.  Therefore, the proof is in the pudding, is this woman qualified to be Vice President?  Especially when compared to the experience and qualifications of the person running for the TOP seat on the other ticket?

How is that apples and oranges?  That is simply saying.  If she is unqualified for the second seat on a ticket, what makes Obama qualified for the first seat on the other?

I hope that makes it clearer.
No it doesn't ,and yes I am saying the act of running itself is experience and an opportunity to publicly vet prospective office holders.I will refrain from calling her the hockey mom(isn't that how she referred to herrslf?)If you will refrain from suggesting that her 5 min total on the grand stage of national politics somehow equates with his 18 month grueling hard faught nomination process....please a little reality here 13 years public service huh...the pop of that town she was mayor in was less than 9,000 people...the way I'm going I will have more IM addy's than that by the time the election is here...


I will just repeat what I added in my edit above.  During his 18 months of "vetting" his own party has continuously asked the exact same question, What qualifications and experience does he have to be president?  Even up through the convention those same folks were asking that question, and still no answer.  Brushing the question aside, and suggesting that the mere running for the office is enough to qualify as experience to be President doesn't make it so or go away.

Ah okay, so now we at least get the admission that she was in charge of a town (regardless of pop), that is still more than Obama has ever run.  Now let's move to the next big step, she is a Gov, yet another position that not only is running a government, but also makes her commander in chief of the Alaskan national guard.  Too, as Gov of Alaska, she has had to negotiate with Canada, Japan, and Russia, over fishing and maritime water rights.  She has had to handle controls over the oil and natural gas production in her state, and has negotiated with Canada over a proposed new natural gas pipeline.  That is just the stuff off the top of my head.  Not much experience in running things at all, and not very much in terms of dealing with other governments, eh?

So how do her qualifications for vice president stack up against the qualifications of the man running for president on the other ticket?  I would say she stacks up pretty damn well, and is probably more qualified.

But hell what do I know,
Thadius
Thadius,I once managed a car wash population 17(if I remember right)does that qualify as "executive experience.It is amusing watchig all those that have spent the last couple of months decrying Obama's lackof experience tie themselves in knots to find a bright side to this inexplicable VP pick of McCains....you all better get used to saying ....President Obama...because IMO McCain just sealed the deal...




Thadius -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:51:25 PM)

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Thadius,I once managed a car wash population 17(if I remember right)does that qualify as "executive experience.It is amusing watchig all those that have spent the last couple of months decrying Obama's lackof experience tie themselves in knots to find a bright side to this inexplicable VP pick of McCains....you all better get used to saying ....President Obama...because IMO McCain just sealed the deal...


I don't know, did you have to make decisions on laws being sent to your desk, have a branch of the military under your command, have to deal with foreign governments as well as other states?

The big difference here is, as CL actually put into quite clear terms.  One is running as an intern, and one is running to be CEO.  If anything one could say that their experiences are equal (and that is being generous to Obama), if her experience doesn't qualify her to be second fiddle, how the hell does running for office make him qualified as the first?

I am glad to see certain folks trying to diminish this woman's achievements, as it only highlights the lack of gravitas on the top of the other ticket.  Why do you think the Obama campaign backed off of trying to claim she was unqualified?  I would suggest that they realized the boomerang effect, and that their ticket was assed backwards (all the experience and qualifications at the bottom of the ticket).




celticlord2112 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:53:15 PM)

Mike, that is not even close to resembling an answer to the questions.

Governor Palin has a more substantial political resume than Senator Obama.  Senator Obama and his campaign staff have publicly derided Governor Palin's political resume--asserting a conspicuous lack thereof.

If Senator Obama deems Governor Palin's political resume to be lacking for depth, breadth, and substance, on what basis does he excuse the exact same "flaws" in his own political resume?

If Governor Palin is "not ready" to be Vice President, on what basis is Senator Obama "ready" to be President?

(I will forgive the flawed logic of Governor Palin not having been vetted by public campaigning and scrutiny.  This is not the place for waxing rhetorical about the 12th Amendment)




popeye1250 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 4:59:48 PM)

LMAO!
The Lefties are in ~PANIC~ mode now!




FatDomDaddy -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 5:00:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

She's a mother. There's nothing bad with it, I'm a mother too. But do you hear male politicians touting their fatherly status all the time as if it were a qualification for government? 


Joe Biden does




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/30/2008 5:58:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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Any chance I could get some introductions? I appreciate a woman that functions well under stress!!!


I would, but they're all from NJ.
I travel well,and actually spend half my time in my hometown New York City




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