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sensiia -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 5:31:11 PM)

If you are in anyway interested in a page that is unbiased it pisses me off as much as it makes me smile is..

www.hotair.com




MaleDoormat -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 5:39:53 PM)

A better question/topic would be who cares about anything Moveon has to say?




Thadius -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 5:42:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MaleDoormat

A better question/topic would be who cares about anything Moveon has to say?


That is an easy one.  Any liberal Dem running for office.




Lorr47 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 6:12:11 PM)

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Glad to see you brought this one up... Why not provide the other specifics to the Keating 5, and more importantly what the investigator said or recommended? Prolly, cuz it doesn't serve the purpose of the soundbite political attention span these days.

Sen. Bennett (the investigator, oh and the guy that defended Clinton against the impeachment) recommended that no charges be brought against McCain and even suggested that McCain was added to the investigation just so there was a Republican in the mix and not just 3 Dems.

Ah but what do I know


The committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for "questionable conduct."  But what is the acid test?  John McCain has hired Attorney Bennett to represent him in regard to this issue.  That brings into play "attorney client privilege" with McCain the client, and Bennett now the attorney.  You will never hear a derogatory statement from Bennett from now on vis a vis McCain.  Bennett is McCain's mouthpiece and the canons of ethics preclude telling the truth.  Soooo blantant.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin




Thadius -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 6:48:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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Glad to see you brought this one up... Why not provide the other specifics to the Keating 5, and more importantly what the investigator said or recommended? Prolly, cuz it doesn't serve the purpose of the soundbite political attention span these days.

Sen. Bennett (the investigator, oh and the guy that defended Clinton against the impeachment) recommended that no charges be brought against McCain and even suggested that McCain was added to the investigation just so there was a Republican in the mix and not just 3 Dems.

Ah but what do I know


The committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for "questionable conduct."  But what is the acid test?  John McCain has hired Attorney Bennett to represent him in regard to this issue.  That brings into play "attorney client privilege" with McCain the client, and Bennett now the attorney.  You will never hear a derogatory statement from Bennett from now on vis a vis McCain.  Bennett is McCain's mouthpiece and the canons of ethics preclude telling the truth.  Soooo blantant.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin



Slow down there cowboy.  Out of the 5, one was censured, 2 were criticized and cited for their conduct, and 2 were cleared of all charges and criticized for exercising "poor judgement". 

So let me get this straight, a Dem Senator at the time who was charged with conducting the investigation and recommended that McCain and Glenn should not be charged much less did anything wrong, is now wrong because he is representing McCain?  He had quite a few years to make mention of those ethical failings while he was representing Clinton....  Please present a citation of him making such a statement before he became McCain's "mouthpiece".

I am curious because I have never seen one.

Edited to fix an error.




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 7:06:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Who are you referring to? Bennett?

If Bennett felt there was an failure in ethics he would not have recommended to the Ethics committee that regarding McCain "that there was no evidence against him.".  I have never seen Bennett say anything close to what you are suggesting, if it is out there please provide it, I am simply saying I have never seen it.


No Thadius I was realy asking,not being cute,while on the internet last night(probably arguing with you..lol)I had CNN on and there was a special on McCain on there.Someone from the investigation made that very assertion...I believe I have it tivo'd ...I will get back to you....mike




Thadius -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 7:08:12 PM)

I saw the same back to back shows the CNN presents McCain and Obama revealed.




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 7:12:35 PM)

Damm it to hell ,the only thing I have saved there is the Obama piece(wouldn't care to see it would you Thadius).It was on a CNN profile of McCain and it sucks being just shy of 50....at 30 I would have been able to give you his name...




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 7:14:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I saw the same back to back shows the CNN presents McCain and Obama revealed.
You no good for nothing,you probably know the guys name....devious!!!!




Lorr47 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (8/31/2008 7:30:33 PM)

 Read the interview with a Ret.  Army Colonel at http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/john-mccain-privileged-war-hero-liar-colloborator-traitor-part-1/The colonel makes a number of conclusions one of which is:
"The consensus opinion of other POWs in McCain’s camps was that McCain was NEVER tortured by the North Vietnamese. McCain’s disgraceful and wholly reprehensible conduct (along with John Kerry) during the 1991-93 Senate Committee on POW/MIAs leaves no doubt that McCain is a traitor to this country and its veterans and especially to the families of POWs and MIAs. ..Ken Adachi"

It is a fairly long and interesting interview. What strikes me strange is that McCain never received an increase in grade during the entire 5 1/2 years in Vietnam.

In regard to the other issue, when you want to shut an attorney up, retain him. In regard to McCain and the Keating five, McCain is at the point that he has to avoid even the semblance of impropriety.  By his conduct McCain has created the semblance of impropriety in spades.  Saying "I am not aware of any such proof" will not suffice.  Those having the proof are merely going to sit back and wait to catch someone lying.  Most politicos do not fall because of what they did but rather what they tried to cover up.





BlackPhx -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/1/2008 6:32:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Any chance I could get some introductions? I appreciate a woman that functions well under stress!!!


I function quite well under stress and crisis situations, up to and including  having a missing child (he was 7 and we lived in Brooklyn), a child who fell on a broken bottle and sliced open his artery in his wrist (age 9) my second child being murdered (age 18..it was years later) and having 2 apartment buildings I lived in  burn down and having to help trapped neighbors get out from the back courtyard in one of them.

During the crisis..calm, cool and collected, clear thinking and moving fast. After the crisis..I have seen aspen leaves in a wind storm shake less. I am still pretty much unflappable and damned good at getting people organized and moving when need be...Most of us are male and female.

poenkitten (who is sorry but spent the weekend surrounded by friends and this is the first time she has had to read and respond)




slvemike4u -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/1/2008 6:40:42 PM)

Poenkitten I believe you misunderstood my post,in no way was that meant to impugn females in any way shape or form.Sorry it was taken that way...and my condolences for all your losses.




BlackPhx -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/1/2008 7:36:48 PM)

Fast Reply not pointed towards any one person:

Every election year, we are inundated with ads, political speeches and more bias by the media and political organizations than the demon who invented politics ever dreamed of. Moving on, Democrat, Republican , Independent, this caucus, that TV/Radio Station, all have something to say and what they have to share is going to be slanted in ways that make their choices look good and the other guy look bad.  Their opinions do not matter. What does matter is YOUR opinion and that should be formulated on reasoned thought and investigation for yourself of how someone voted on laws, their proposed changes ( which ones are along lines you would like to see and do you really think they can get them implemented) and factors that you think will affect your life.  You are not likely to change another persons mind nor are you likely to get a rational answer that will change your mind. It is like asking why someone likes or hates strawberries..if you are on the opposite fence, they ain't gonna change your mind and their answer really doesn't matter.

There is not one blessed candidate that we have been offered over the past 20 or so years that was better or worse or more or less qaulified than the other. The parties deliberately choose that way. You are getting Coke or Pepsi. This year, you get to choose, Young or Old, Mixed or White, and other than that really not a whole lot of difference. One is more conservative by track record than the other, but you know that is again all relative. Once you are in the Catbird seat so to speak, you may be the Commander in Chief but you are only as good as the information you are given and who has your ear depends on who helped to put you in office. Yes, you are the final signature on laws and have veto power, but you can also be overruled and those checks and balances have helped us in the past. Whether we lose the next President to Ol'Timers disease, prostate cancer, heart attack or assassination remains to be seen, who steps up in their place, really isn't likely to have as much impact as one would think. As we saw with Kennedy the country will still go on..and they will still have to run for the office to have a full term. If they are doing badly they will be impeached or not voted in to serve and we will go on. If they are impeached and removed Pelosi will lead until the next election.

We can and may lose a President at any time, no matter who is elected..and we will go on. Until this country gets off it's collective duff and makes an effort to change the way candidates are chosen to begin with, we are going to continue to get only candidates that special interests think or know they  can control. Coke or Pepsi..is there that much difference between em..not really someone pass me a glass of Ice Tea...

Oh..and for those who think that Govenorship and being a former Mayor prepares you more for the top office than being a Senator..remember the Peter Principal is ALWAYS in effect. We have already seen it in effect. For those who forgot what the Principal is:

The Peter Principle is the principle that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." While formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1968 book The Peter Principle, a humorous treatise which also introduced the "salutary science of Hierarchiology", "inadvertently founded" by Peter, the principle has real validity. It holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain. Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out his duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".

Whoile it was tongue in cheek, if you stop and think about it, most of us know at least one person for whom that seems to be in effect..and GW has done a pretty good job of making us look at him with that Principal in mind.

Poenkitten




BlackPhx -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/2/2008 6:44:22 AM)

Not to worry you were looking for a woman who handled stress well..I introduced myself with examples [:D] is all.

poenkitten




rulemylife -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/2/2008 6:55:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


She's arguably got more experience than Obama.

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I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position.



I don't think keeping moose from roaming the streets of Wasilla is very arguable.




rulemylife -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/2/2008 7:12:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

Not my choice to take over if he has a heart attack...at least we would have someone with brains and experience in Biden stepping up if Obama is assassinated.



So it's OK to elect an inexperienced MAN as President but it is wrong to have an inexperienced  WOMAN as vice-President?

Really... how does that work?


It works this way.  Republicans brought up and hammered away at the experience issue this whole campaign and it's just WAY too funny to see it snap back and blow up in your faces.


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LaTigresse -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/2/2008 7:12:05 AM)

Oh hell, put her in office! Imagine the fun the political cartoonists will have.

Shotgun wedding in the whitehouse!! (picture has Palin holding the shotgun while her teenage daughter marries boyfriend. McCain in background hooked to IV and sitting in a wheelchair with pretty blonde wife standing behind, blank drugged smile on face)

Next picture.....(Double wide trailer behind White House. Bubble out of Palin's mouth "we support our daughter!"

Comparisons to Lynn Spears and her daughter Jamie Lynn.

If McCain croaks.........every fireplace in the White House can have a dead moose's head mounted over it!

Bonus, she can cut her own White House Christmas Tree! Maybe the White House food budget will go down, all that hunting and fishing yanno.

It can offset the increased cost of all those unwanted, uninsured pregnancies, welfare for the babies, etc etc etc.






meatcleaver -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/2/2008 7:20:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


She's arguably got more experience than Obama.

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I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position.



But obviously not the intellect.




rulemylife -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/2/2008 7:24:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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What I am not impressed by is McCains touting lack of experience for one candidate and his selection of Palin.

Does experience matter? 

If experience matters, how is Obama credible as a Presidential candidate.

If experience does not matter, how is Palin not credible as a Vice-Presidential candidate?



Excellent question!

Now reverse it and ask the same of yourself since you have told us endlessly of Obama's inexperience yet somehow believe Palin is not inexperienced. 




celticlord2112 -> RE: MoveOns Take on Palin (9/2/2008 7:27:49 AM)

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Now reverse it and ask the same of yourself since you have told us endlessly of Obama's inexperience yet somehow believe Palin is not inexperienced.

Already answered.  Read my other posts on this matter.




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