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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:10:35 AM

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Imagine Bush goes to the RNC and McCain keeps his distance... Not good. OR imagine Bush goes to the RNC and out of respect McCain does pose for pics with him - now imagine the Dem. commercials using those photos... not good. OR imagine Bush just stays away from the RNC...not good. So I'll have to go with damned in every case theory...

...oh i do agree. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, is clearly a fair representation of the situation. Now, i'm not going to suggest that Bush and Cheney engineered Gustave, but Cheney at least is a good enough tactician not to pass up an opportunity.
It is a pity. If they were to attend, the general public would have an interesting insight into the evolution or not of Republican political direction. Such an insight, particulary in an election year, is not an unfair thing to expect.
Before thishereboi tries to turn this round to an anti-democrat thang, i'd like to have seen more of this from the Democrats.....we had some, but insight is a bit like crack.......you have a bit and you then need more.......

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:11:16 AM

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Liking Obama, will be enough for now.

As we go into this energy crunch with our pants down(and pre-lubed),President Carter is looking a lot better.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:18:11 AM

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I'm sure that eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverybody loves the Obamessiah.

He's the One! Who couldn't...

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Liking Obama, will be enough for now.

Wellll Duhhhh....you for one(there are others lurking around here somewhere)

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:19:12 AM

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If Carter's looking so good, then why didn't Obama let him speak at the convention?

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Liking Obama, will be enough for now.

As we go into this energy crunch with our pants down(and pre-lubed),President Carter is looking a lot better.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:23:51 AM

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In a "blow"to all those who were looking forward to hearing Bush bumbling thru a speech at the Republican Convention ,The White House has announced that due to Gustav both the Pres and the VP will miss the convention..

Why would Bush and Cheney want to go to the Republican convention anyway?
They're not Republicans.
They're "Mouthpieces" for big business.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:26:25 AM

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The dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't thought is spot on.So was Celeste's opinion that Bush and co. have brough that on themselves with the ineffective response to Katrina.It is hard to sympathise in any way shape or form for the pickle the GOP find themselves in now,no matter that Bush wont be there,no matter whether or not they hold a truncated convention....No matter if this time FEMA lends an effective hand ,the news cycles this week will by necessity compare this years storm with Katrina and the images of a great American city looking very third worldish under an Republican Administration will be unavoidable

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:31:05 AM

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Huh?

If conservatives think he's too liberal, then you're isolating not only those more con than Bush, but also those who refuse to recognize that getting someone in office less liberal than Bush isn't a very likely possibility.

I have no love for Kerry or Carter and loathe Bush. I suspect that I'm not atypical.

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Part of the disapproval numbers is undoubtedly Conservatives wanting the opposite from him that Liberals want. In other words, disapproval of Bush doesn't mean that everyone suddenly loves Kerry, or Carter...

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You are correct that not everyone hates Bush. But his approval rating of 28% has "surpassed" even Nixon's during Watregate.

It's not just the far left. With an approval rating that low, it's not only Dems and independents that think he's doing a lousy job.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:32:02 AM

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If Carter's looking so good, then why didn't Obama let him speak at the convention?

There you go again!!!!!!!

Who said Obama didn't 'let' him speak? You think he was all fired up to rattle asses, and they said take a fuckin' hike?

CITE it.

I am betting he had all he could do morally to be in the same city as Clinton.

Now, me, I would be out with Billy Jeff and we would be finding us some top-drawer cocksuckers. But that's MY morals. Regardless of your viewpoint, we still believe in individual soveriegnty (I never can spell that, Sanity... forgive)

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:46:05 AM

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Here's the interesting thing to watch.... the media will follow Bush to the hurricane. They will be flipping back and forth between his being "supportive" of New Orleans (this time) and the RNC convention. There will be images of the city being hit by the storm, contrasted with images of the republicans jumping up and down about how "great" everything is! File footage of Katrina will be played, and the inevitable reminder of the non-response of Bush as people, and a city, drowned.

As you say, damned if you do, damned of you don't... I guess a huge fucking mistake like Bush's, combined with the timing, will make for a "perfect storm," reminding the US of exactly who fucked things up. Who knows? Maybe they'll spin their way out of it. Republicans are like greased pigs. When it comes time to be accountable, they'll squeeze out of it one way or another.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:49:34 AM

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Our way to the future is clear.

I blame it all on Carter not speaking at the convention.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:55:48 AM

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Cite what

Hasn't Kaptain Kerry given way at the helm to the One

Whose coronation was it anyway

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:56:10 AM

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Our way to the future is clear.

I blame it all on Carter not speaking at the convention.

Neo-Con Ron

C'mon Ron,

You are being terribly short sighted, I blame Mondale (Carter's VP) for all of the current problems and issues. Damn these uppity womens.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 11:59:23 AM

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Under a Democratic state governor, and city mayor... the wheels on the buses went blub blub blub

But of course

As always

Its all Bush's fault

He created the hurricane in the first place, because he hates poor people, dontchano

Yeah, it's global warming, its all his fault.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

The dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't thought is spot on.So was Celeste's opinion that Bush and co. have brough that on themselves with the ineffective response to Katrina.It is hard to sympathise in any way shape or form for the pickle the GOP find themselves in now,no matter that Bush wont be there,no matter whether or not they hold a truncated convention....No matter if this time FEMA lends an effective hand ,the news cycles this week will by necessity compare this years storm with Katrina and the images of a great American city looking very third worldish under an Republican Administration will be unavoidable

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 12:46:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

If Carter's looking so good, then why didn't Obama let him speak at the convention?

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Liking Obama, will be enough for now.

As we go into this energy crunch with our pants down(and pre-lubed),President Carter is looking a lot better.

President Carter is 83 years old, very nearly 84, and has trouble standing for very long. I'm guessing that had something to with it. He was certainly available for interviews during the convention, I personally saw 2 and heard another.

President GHW Bush is only a few months younger and is not even scheduled to appear at the RNC near as I can tell, he isn't on the schedule of speakers and there isn't even a retrospective video like Carter got scheduled.

So is the RNC ashamed of GHWB or is it possible these two men are getting old and might not want to stand up for 10 or 15 minutes reading a teleprompter?

BTW I see the RNC is having Governor Schwarzenegger give a speech. This seems odd coming from the "family values" party. Das Arnold was conspicuous by his absence from his wife's side at the tribute to his uncle last week.

P.S. I can almost buy GWB saying he can't be at the RNC due to Gustav but the Senate isn't in session and GWB doesn't appear to be on death's door so Cheney has no duties to perform and his staying away is less believable. Shockingly he doesn't appear to have been scheduled for a speech even before Gustav. Now why wouldn't the McCain campaign want Shotgun in front of the nation? Could it be that McCain knows that Cheney would get up in front of those delegates and spout lies McCain would then have to defend?

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 12:51:19 PM

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Bush was scheduled to speak tomorrow night, he is still going to address the convention, although probably via satelite or recorded message. Frankly, I could care less where he is. It is a shame that he is robbing the DNC of a photo op for their next commercial spots... my sympathies.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 12:54:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Under a Democratic state governor, and city mayor... the wheels on the buses went blub blub blub

But of course

As always

Its all Bush's fault

He created the hurricane in the first place, because he hates poor people, dontchano

Yeah, it's global warming, its all his fault.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

The dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't thought is spot on.So was Celeste's opinion that Bush and co. have brough that on themselves with the ineffective response to Katrina.It is hard to sympathise in any way shape or form for the pickle the GOP find themselves in now,no matter that Bush wont be there,no matter whether or not they hold a truncated convention....No matter if this time FEMA lends an effective hand ,the news cycles this week will by necessity compare this years storm with Katrina and the images of a great American city looking very third worldish under an Republican Administration will be unavoidable

Please Sanity we all know state and local gov.fucked up big time ,but this thread i about Bush and Chaney and their response this time as opposed to the fiddling they did last time....you want to start a thread about the failure of local gov.during katrina I'm all for it....but damm it all, Brownie did a fine job didn't he?

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 1:03:13 PM

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You can hardly discuss Katrina without mentioning the miserable failure of the Democratic governments of Louisiana and New Orleans. Look at it this way, if they fail to evacuate this time, will it be Bush's fault again?

Hell no.

And since it's their fault if they fail to evacuate this time, what made it Bush's or Brownies' fault last time, other than the screeching from the left, trying to make it so.

Had they evacuated as they should have prior to Katrina hitting then all that would have occurred then would have been property damage.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 1:14:20 PM

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Uhm, LA elected a new Gov... a Republican since then... Go figure.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 2:46:50 PM

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Pretty much a moot point now, anyway. Since they cut McCain's nomination down to a quick "Praise God, and pass the ammo!" moment.

"Fascist Fest" has been called off due to weather.

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RE: Bush and Cheney stay away - 8/31/2008 3:35:15 PM

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You can hardly discuss Katrina without mentioning the miserable failure of the Democratic governments of Louisiana and New Orleans. Look at it this way, if they fail to evacuate this time, will it be Bush's fault again?

Hell no.

And since it's their fault if they fail to evacuate this time, what made it Bush's or Brownies' fault last time, other than the screeching from the left, trying to make it so.

Had they evacuated as they should have prior to Katrina hitting then all that would have occurred then would have been property damage.

You seem confused. The complaints have always been about the entire governments response to the storm. The mayors (all of them not just NOLA) and Governors (not just LA) all failed to prepare appropriately. Clearly there were mistakes in the evacuation but I doubt any plan would have evacuated the entire area in less than 96 hours.

However the federal response by FEMA, the much larger and more logistically sophisticated organization, is criticized for the multiple and egregious failings after the storm.

Some basic questions that have never been answered, where was the USN? The Navy routinely deploys to assist in such cases. They can provide electrical power, helicopters and well trained disciplined people, all trained to handle fires and basic lifesaving. Also a reserve hospital ship wasn't deployed despite being available.

Why did the MRE and bottled water supplies at the Atlanta depot not get deployed until several days after the storm. The same applies to a variety of other supplies and equipment prepositioned all over the southeast.

What was Blackwater doing in the area? Who authorized using mercanaries inside the US?

Why was the initiation of search and rescue efforts in the partially flooded neighborhoods so long delayed? Why were helicopters not used to insert fresh water and food into the two big shelters of last resort? Furthermore why not bring in the national guard by helicopter to eastablish control of those two shelters and then begin an evacuation of the ill and injured by helicopter?

It basically comes down to the basic question asked by numerous GAO, congressional and independent investigations that showed that FEMA had an existing plan for a major hurricane strike on the gulf coast that was not implemented or apparently even consulted.

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