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celticlord2112 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 10:22:41 AM)
quote: what real actions has she ever taken? As mayor of Wasilla, she reduced property taxes 40% Fired the Wasilla police chief for not supporting her administration. Resigned as Chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission to protest a "lack of ethics" of the Republican members of the commission. Filed formal ethics complaints against Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner (and state Republican Party Chairman) Randy Ruedrich and Attorney General Gregg Renkes--both men resigned their offices and Ruedrich paid a $12,000 fine. Canceled the "pioneer road" contract (a nine-mile gravel road contract approved by outgoing governor Frank Murkowski). Sold off the state jet after being elected Governor, opting to either drive or use commercial transport to travel around Alaska. Vetoed $231 million worth of items from the state's capital budget. Filed a lawsuit to challenge U.S Department of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species. Dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan. These are real actions taken by Governor Palin. We can and should question the propriety of her actions--records are meant to be examined--but to suggest the record does not exist is simply wrong.

Musicmystery -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 11:20:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NumberSix I don't get the 'experience' issue. Nobody punches the button as president of the united states until they are president of the united states. There is no equivalent experience to being president other than being president. There is no experience, and furthermore, if you have went to a funeral ever in your life or handed someone a valentine, you have all the experience you need to be vice-president. If experience is such a big deal and an insight into performance, why was Hoover such a fuckrod? Why didn't everybody fall on their knees for Perot? Why was a shipyard electrician a good president? Why was a man who spent a great deal of his life in prison for fighting aparthied? Why is bonnie prince charlie such a tampon? it DONT translate out to nothing. Ron Hi Ron, Amen. That's my point----people raise the experience issue when they think they can make a case. When not, they turn to other points. It's sophistry. Except maybe for the tampon bit.... Best, Tim

philosophy -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 11:23:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 As mayor of Wasilla, she reduced property taxes 40% Fired the Wasilla police chief for not supporting her administration. Resigned as Chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission to protest a "lack of ethics" of the Republican members of the commission. Filed formal ethics complaints against Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner (and state Republican Party Chairman) Randy Ruedrich and Attorney General Gregg Renkes--both men resigned their offices and Ruedrich paid a $12,000 fine. Canceled the "pioneer road" contract (a nine-mile gravel road contract approved by outgoing governor Frank Murkowski). Sold off the state jet after being elected Governor, opting to either drive or use commercial transport to travel around Alaska. Vetoed $231 million worth of items from the state's capital budget. Filed a lawsuit to challenge U.S Department of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species. Dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan. ..interesting list CL. As you rightly point out she does have a record and as such it needs to be examined. i lack the background to comment on most of the list but one thing did leap out at me. Number 2, firing a police chief for not supporting her administration. One of the things i seriously dislike worldwide is when politicians expect the police to act as political arms. They're not....they are there to uphold the law......the same law that governs how politicians (among others) behave. How is what she did there any different to Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe ordering the police force to vote for him in their last election?

celticlord2112 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 11:53:12 AM)
quote: Number 2, firing a police chief for not supporting her administration. That's actually one I question myself. I list it because, good or bad, it is an action taken, it is an exercise of executive authority, and is thus relevant to Musicmystery's question. That being said, the firing was challenged in court and the courts held that she was within the scope of her authority to fire the police chief even for "political reasons." Also, for better or worse, police and even fire chiefs are quasi-political figures in most cities in the United States, just as a great many county sheriffs are elected officials. While it is not in a community's best interests to have the police at the political whim of elected officials, it also is not in a community's best interests to have the police chief constantly at war with City Hall. I am more comfortable with leaders and leaders-in-waiting (i.e., Vice Presidents) who are willing to risk making bad decisions than with those who punt the tough questions as "above my pay grade." To quote Theodore Roosevelt: "The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything."

philosophy -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 11:55:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: Number 2, firing a police chief for not supporting her administration. That's actually one I question myself. I list it because, good or bad, it is an action taken, it is an exercise of executive authority, and is thus relevant to Musicmystery's question. That being said, the firing was challenged in court and the courts held that she was within the scope of her authority to fire the police chief even for "political reasons." Also, for better or worse, police and even fire chiefs are quasi-political figures in most cities in the United States, just as a great many county sheriffs are elected officials. While it is not in a community's best interests to have the police at the political whim of elected officials, it also is not in a community's best interests to have the police chief constantly at war with City Hall. I am more comfortable with leaders and leaders-in-waiting (i.e., Vice Presidents) who are willing to risk making bad decisions than with those who punt the tough questions as "above my pay grade." To quote Theodore Roosevelt: "The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything." ...fair points....and i had forgotten that, in the US, some of these sort of posts are elected positions.

Thadius -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 1:00:21 PM)
Tim, I answered as honestly as I could in my original response to you. I honestly don't think anybody is prepared fully for the job until they take it. There simply is no other job that is exactly the same. Gov is the closest position we have here in the US to the job description of President. That fact alone may explain why there has never been a winning presidential ticket that has not included a Gov (not to mention a veteran of military service). Believe it or not, I completely understand how and why Obama supporters feel the way they do, it is very much the same feeling that Reagan supporters had. I have done my damndest to stay out of the mudslinging and cheapshots. I haven't called anybody a loon or radical, at least not that I can remember, yet I have been called all of those things because I don't believe in the man. You asked specifically about the job of Commander in Chief, and honestly there is only one person on a major ticket right now that has experience as the CiC of an armed force. That is Gov Palin. She has had to make decisions on budgets, laws, and managing a government. While it could be argued that Alaska has a small population, that doesn't change the fact that she has done it. It also overlooks the jobs of the Alaskan Gov. Dealing with Canada, Japan, and Russia over fishing rights and use of the seas, decisions on energy policy that effects the entire country, negotiating a deal with Canada for a new natural gas pipeline. Do these things qualify her to hold the job of president? I don't know, but she seems to have shown at least the base requirements to manage a government and military. She also is going to be in the position of intern, which will allow for her to gain a better understanding of National office. I believe that is a fair assessment of the woman we are discussing. I do find it disingenous for folks to want to discuss her positions on issues and lack of experience, yet excuse those same things at the top of the ticket on the other side. One slot on the ticket is not the same as the other. Just my thoughts and feelings, Thadius

Musicmystery -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 1:05:07 PM)
quote: I do find it disingenous for folks to want to discuss her positions on issues and lack of experience, yet excuse those same things at the top of the ticket on the other side. One slot on the ticket is not the same as the other. Hi Thadius, And here I agree with you, whichever side is throwing the bullshit at the moment. Live well, Tim

Thadius -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 1:19:09 PM)
Afternoon Tim, Bah you had to quote it after I noticed I left out a "u" in disingenuous. Hell, I realize that politics is nasty business, I grew up amongst the most corrupt political machine in the country. I even participated in writing some of the garbage, and promoting it, be it a city wide, county wide, state wide election I played around in some of the campaigns for awhile back home. I then realized that it didn't agree with my personal convictions, and have tried to steer clear of it. I am only human, and make mistakes, yet I try to make a conscious effort to not get back down in the mud. I want folks to educate themselves on the candidates, issues, and policy proposals, and use that to make their decisions. I have seen criticisms of how many times McCain met Palin as being a sign of it being a bad decision, I would turn that around and ask everybody out there "How many times have you met any of these folks, and what do you know about them, that you are willing to make a decision to vote for them?". Yeah, yeah, our votes don't mean shit, what does it matter, etc, etc... It matters because it is a personal decision, and yet some folks take it very lightly. Hoping that you are enjoying the fruits of your labor (your orchards), Thadius P.S. I know you are living well.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 2:50:09 PM)
Fast Reply... Appointments such Chief of Police are usually "at will" employees and serve at the pleasure of the executive. They can be fired for any reason and they should have the full confidence of any said administration. If not, then they should be allowed to resign and if they do not choose to do so, then they should be released.

thishereboi -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 2:52:58 PM)
Yea, I think she's ready.

slvemike4u -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 2:54:42 PM)
How many are old enough to remember Sen.Eagleton and candidate Mcgovern unsuccessful challenge to President Nixon in 1972...interesting!

Thadius -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 3:00:59 PM)
Kind of funny that you mention that campaign. Wasn't Mcgovern's talking points pretty much the same as the current Dem candidate? Ending an unpopular war and lots of spending? [;)]

thishereboi -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 3:01:21 PM)
Yea, we had to color in the states for school. Extra credit was never a bad thing.

slvemike4u -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 3:05:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Kind of funny that you mention that campaign. Wasn't Mcgovern's talking points pretty much the same as the current Dem candidate? Ending an unpopular war and lots of spending? [;)] And somehow you have glossed over completely the Eagleton aspect and the comparison I was alluding to...cute.[:D]

corysub -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 4:12:14 PM)
There is not SAT test for Commander In Chief...it really is "on the job training". Actually, in terms of military experience, the Governor of a State has more experience than a one year Senator who has spent the last two years running for office. She went to Kuwait a year ago and has worked closely with her National Guard leadership. She also grew up in the shadow of the newly resurected Soviet Union and know better than the elitist cabal that is attacking her like Daily Kos and George Soros. And "three cheers" for her daughter who is having her baby and marrying the young man who fathered the child. It was shameful the way Daily Kos spread rumors that the Palin's child was really her daughters. These liberals know no bounds and have no equals when it comes to character assassination programs. Shame on them....I don't think I saw anything from the liberal blogs about the former DNC chairman caught on tape saying that "Gustav proves there is a God who sent a hurricane during the Republican Convention. Is political power that important to them..you betcha!

Musicmystery -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 4:14:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u How many are old enough to remember Sen.Eagleton and candidate Mcgovern unsuccessful challenge to President Nixon in 1972...interesting! And Nixon worked out so well!

slvemike4u -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 4:44:03 PM)
Actually the referance was to the foolhardyness of not vetting completely and fully your VP pick,we all know how Nixon's second term turned out..Of course if McGovern had a snowballs chance in hell of winning that year,he would have never wound up with Eagleton on the ticket(he had been turned down by all the "name" Dems of the period,Eagleton was not his 1st choice...not even on the list)

Thadius -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 4:51:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Kind of funny that you mention that campaign. Wasn't Mcgovern's talking points pretty much the same as the current Dem candidate? Ending an unpopular war and lots of spending? [;)] And somehow you have glossed over completely the Eagleton aspect and the comparison I was alluding to...cute.[:D] Ah and you missed mine... we was talking about procedures bein performed on a vp nominees head was we not? [;)] I is good like that, sometimes... a double shot of cappucino, please.

Thadius -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 4:53:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u How many are old enough to remember Sen.Eagleton and candidate Mcgovern unsuccessful challenge to President Nixon in 1972...interesting! And Nixon worked out so well! I woud dare say G. Liddy is a little to old to be breakin in to any places these days, besides after Nixon and Clinton that Watergate would seem to have too many snitches. Channeling Ron, Thadius

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (9/1/2008 5:27:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And Nixon worked out so well! Well I am glad the Democrats got what they wanted. If Nixon doesn't get impeached, Ronald Reagan would have never been President.

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