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CalifChick -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 9:42:29 PM)
Okay, I just wasn't comprehending what you could be doing that wouldn't involve a possible STD. There are a few isolated cases of HIV transmission through the mouth, but it usually follows extensive dental work with bleeding in the mouth. Cali

Briena -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 9:45:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flower2007 quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it. Any commnets? I don't do anything that transmit disease (don't believe that if you wish, I decided a long time ago not to try to convince people), so I'd be offended if someone asked...it would mean they didn't believe I am who I am. As far as most others though, do people still get insulted over that question? Condoms aren't 100% and like you said, it's possible to have something and not realize it. I didn't realize asking someone for proof was an issue anymore. Im sorry, this makes no sense... In fact its rather retarded... So you are saying that you dont have sex than? I mean if you dont ever have sex than what you are saying makes perfect sense. If you are a virgin than awesome... Otherwise every time you have sex with a new partner you put yourself at risk unless you BOTH have been tested. Did you know that its something like 85% of the population will have HPV by the age of 40? Even if you have no signs or symptoms? Making sure that you have been tested, and asking a possible partner if when the last time was that they were tested is not offensive. Its called self preservation. You should be proud that your possible partner cares so much about it. It shows responsibility. Nationwide, at least 45 million people ages 12 and older, or one out of five adolescents and adults, have had genital HSV infection. Genital HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of four women) than in men (almost one out of eight). This may be due to male-to-female transmission being more likely than female-to-male transmission. HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be found in and released from the sores that the viruses cause, but they also are released between outbreaks from skin that does not appear to have a sore. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during sexual contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. Transmission can occur from an infected partner who does not have a visible sore and may not know that he or she is infected. Most people infected with HSV-2 are not aware of their infection. It is possible that a person becomes aware of the “first episode” years after the infection is acquired. Those statistics are just for herpes alone. HPV can also be transmited with no symptoms, crabs is another one that is transmited just by contact. CONDOMS DO NOT PREVENT THEM! Get your facts straight dude. If you have sex, you put yourself at risk. If a partner asks you when you were last tested, and you get offended, dont be offended when he runs to the door screaming!

Briena -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 9:59:24 PM)
Mono is transmited by kissing, and so is meningitis, which often has no symptoms at all at first. TB is also transmited by kissing. Herpes can be transmitted by kissing as well.

pompeii -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 10:43:53 PM)
Some idle, if perhaps disjointed comments ...... - No proof of health is "current", as the tests generally reveal the presence of sufficient antibodies, which don't occur instantly - Nobody should be embarrassed to at least prove past proof-of-cleanliness; hell, they should be proud! :) As for what can and can not be transmitted by kissing, there's always Alice: http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1714.html Basically "Alice" says you can't get anything from kissing, get this, "as long as you're healthy". :) In particular, she swears you can't get HIV from kissing; but, you can get other things (like the flu and a cold). The better-health channel has a bit more on the subject: http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.Nsf/pages/Kissing_and_your_health?OpenDocument Basically, herpes, mono, and hepatitis are the bad bugs here but meningitis and tooth decay can also be transmitted. Epigee weighs in on the subject: http://www.epigee.org/health/stds.html Saying syphilis & herpes can be transmitted by kissing (yuck). Nuff said.

Secretslave1138 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 11:15:41 PM)
Personally, i can count on one hand how many people i have been with, and if you chop off 4 fingers, you would have the correst answer. If anyone asked me that question, i would take full offense. Simply because i have only been with one person. However, i can totally understand why people would ask that question, because you want to keep yourself safe. So, i am kinda on the fence in this one. Would i be offened...yes...but someone else may not. Sorry i could not answer your question. But, try a less scrupled approach. Less harsh. Hugs!

GreedyTop -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 11:37:19 PM)
Secret... but that one person? Have THEY ever been with anyone else?

Secretslave1138 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 11:52:06 PM)
No, we are eachother's only.

GreedyTop -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 11:55:37 PM)
well, that's cool then. So you don't have to worry about anyone asking for your sexual health check :)

Secretslave1138 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/2/2008 11:58:38 PM)
lol...No i do not. That is why i could not offer any advice in the thread. But, if i did have to ask someone, i would take a very slow and admiral approach to it. But, then again i am a slave, so its in my blood to quiver...lol. Hugs!!!

CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:00:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince It has been awhile since I ran a flag of controversy up the flag pole and this one deserves some discussion. Given that I am of the 'Senior Status' within the group of "D"s, I can say this subject cuts across both sides of the slash and touches all on the path in one way or another. The principle of the point made touches somewhat on honesty as well as knowledge of ones self. When was the last time you were tested for STD's? If of course you already in a safe and committed relationship, this may not apply to you but you might comment on your experiences prior to finding your match. About two months ago after talking with a subfem for a few months, I scheduled a stop at her city while on a business trip, it was just a lunch at a restruarant near the airport. Many opening and confirming subjects were discussed and things were doing well and then I broached the subject of proof of health, last test etc. An instant chill flew across the table as if I had insulted her. yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it. Any commnets? CPl FAIL! Go straight to jail, do not collect 200 dollars. A condom protects against some things, but is not a failsafe method of protection. I was tested... 7 months ago? I haven't had intercourse since the first of the year, so I'm going to put off the 'every 6 months' thing I try to go by. And anyone who is offended by their partner asking for test results... I don't know... personally I'd call it ignorant. Lynnxz, I do not think that we have an issue then do we? CP

CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:04:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW Actually, it should still be an issue, even if you practice safer sex. I don't understand why people get so insulted when asked for proof that they don't have a communicable disease. My Darling and I haven't been tested in several years now, but that is because we haven't had a sexual partner outside of each other. However, if either of us take a sexual partner outside our relationship, we test every 3 months. That being said, I have an immune dysfunction that would make something like genital warts or herpes (oral or vaginal) really, really bad for me. I don't even use a lipstick or lip balm after our daughters, because they occasionally get cold sores, and getting one of those could cause a rampant reaction in my immune system, so whether it hurts someone's feelings or not, I'm going to ask the questions, even about things other people might consider "piddly". If they choose to get insulted and walk away, it seems that it is more their problem than mine. I am nowhere -near- desperate enough to go chasing after someone who would walk away because we wanted to be certain of the state of their health in terms of communicable sexual diseases. Calla Firestorm Calla, Well your on top of the awareness and caution curve spread the word! and thanks for your input. CP

CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:08:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: persephonee quote: yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it. Any commnets? CPl CP~ i have a question. Are you stating here that you prefer not to wear condoms? Or was there something in her side of the conversation that indicated that she would prefer to fuck bareback? persephonee, Let me put it this way, I have never used a condom! CP

CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia I asked this question on here a few months ago, and I received some very interesting responses. http://www.collarchat.com/m_1885935/tm.htm MzMia, I missed that thread and I think I was in the EU at the time, but there are substancial numbers of new folks since together with those that missed it makes it a good thread for folks to ponder. CP

Aileen1968 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:37:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: persephonee quote: yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it. Any commnets? CPl CP~ i have a question. Are you stating here that you prefer not to wear condoms? Or was there something in her side of the conversation that indicated that she would prefer to fuck bareback? persephonee, Let me put it this way, I have never used a condom! CP You're the kind of person I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Ever. Not using a condom is nothing to be proud of. I'd hate to think how many little princes are running around the world as a result of this decision too. Shudder.

NuevaVida -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:44:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Briena Mono is transmited by kissing, and so is meningitis, which often has no symptoms at all at first. TB is also transmited by kissing. Herpes can be transmitted by kissing as well. Add to this, there have been cases of genital warts (without any actually showing) transmitting to a partner's mouth via oral sex.

Dnomyar -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:47:51 AM)
Mmm mabey I should get tested before I even talk with cali.

eyesopened -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 4:59:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: persephonee quote: yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it. Any commnets? CPl CP~ i have a question. Are you stating here that you prefer not to wear condoms? Or was there something in her side of the conversation that indicated that she would prefer to fuck bareback? persephonee, Let me put it this way, I have never used a condom! CP You're the kind of person I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Ever. Not using a condom is nothing to be proud of. I'd hate to think how many little princes are running around the world as a result of this decision too. Shudder. Aileen, don't you know (insert sarcasm) that birth control is a female's problem exclusively? If I drive my car wrecklessly down the highway, don't you understand it's up to the other drivers to get the hell out of my way?

MzMia -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 5:05:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia I asked this question on here a few months ago, and I received some very interesting responses. http://www.collarchat.com/m_1885935/tm.htm MzMia, I missed that thread and I think I was in the EU at the time, but there are substancial numbers of new folks since together with those that missed it makes it a good thread for folks to ponder. CP CP, I totally agree with you. I would enjoy seeing this topic brought up more often. There are so many topics that people bring up weekly, but we rarely see this one! Why?[;)]

persephonee -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 5:08:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: persephonee quote: yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it. Any commnets? CPl CP~ i have a question. Are you stating here that you prefer not to wear condoms? Or was there something in her side of the conversation that indicated that she would prefer to fuck bareback? persephonee, Let me put it this way, I have never used a condom! CP i was looking for just that clarification. i am of the age that i can recall the time before AIDS but was not sexually active before AIDS. So i was really indoctrinated in the seamless use of condoms. i can say that i have never had sex with a man without a condom. (No fair counting the 15 years of staunch lesbianism) i dont use barriers for oral on either side of the chromosome. Its a risk that i take and it costs me in interactions sometimes, depending on my partners wishes. i would never take offense at being asked for my medical clearances and i have had partners use barriers with me....no worries...whatever makes you comfortable enough to continue, i can get behind that. As for taking offense at being asked...i honestly dont see how a person can take offense if both parties are using protection. i would be offended if you asked me for clearances and had none of your own to give and then expected sex without protection. Of course, that wouldnt happen.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 5:10:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: persephonee quote: yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it. Any commnets? CPl CP~ i have a question. Are you stating here that you prefer not to wear condoms? Or was there something in her side of the conversation that indicated that she would prefer to fuck bareback? persephonee, Let me put it this way, I have never used a condom! CP You're the kind of person I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Ever. Not using a condom is nothing to be proud of. I'd hate to think how many little princes are running around the world as a result of this decision too. Shudder. Aileen, don't you know (insert sarcasm) that birth control is a female's problem exclusively? If I drive my car wrecklessly down the highway, don't you understand it's up to the other drivers to get the hell out of my way? Yeah...I've run across that particular attitude in the past. Amazing in this day and age. I look at someone like that, even if they had a clean bill of health, as crawling with cooties. I completely understand not wanting to use a condom if people are in monogamous relationships, but to say that you've never used one. What about when you were you lost your virginity? The early years? You can't tell me that he asked for his partners std results then.

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