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ExKat -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 5:11:22 AM)


I don't do anything that transmit disease
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Im sorry, this makes no sense... In fact its rather retarded...  So you are saying that you dont have sex than?  I mean if you dont ever have sex than what you are saying makes perfect sense.  If you are a virgin than awesome...  
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::cough cough:: That was exactly what she was saying...and since she clarified this before you posted your ridiculous rant calling her retarded, perhaps you should have read that. I'm all for the STD part, but the "You are a stupid idiot part" maybe should be retracted? Perhaps it's just too early and I'm more offendable.

To the person who had only one partner: I also had a single partner, however, I did get tested before my new partner. Being exclusively each others doesn't mean that you know their entire sexual history down to every last sticky kiss and awkward groping down the pants of another (perhaps, for you, it does). However, with all the scary stories out there about getting STDs from random things (horror stories, and most of them about as true as the "Scary Guy with the Claw"), but I'm of the opinion that you can never be too safe.

On a completely different note, I am shocked about how many GPs give people trouble for getting STD tested. I got tested before my boyfriend and I got intimate, and because I had never had unsafe sex, they seemed to think I was out of my fucking mind. They implied that I was lying about being safe and that I was pretty stupid for ever contemplating unsafe sex with my partner of a year. I should have told them that I frequently passed out naked in biker bars or something...I think I would have gotten a better reception.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 7:54:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: flower2007

I've kissed, but as far as I'm aware, there aren't tests that can find anything transmitted by kissing (Epstein-Barr, I suppose, but does anyone really worry about contracting that?). 
Uh... yes, some of us -do- worry about Epstein-Barr and oral herpes!  (Epstein-Barr because active virus can activate the virus in my nervous system and cause a relapse. Oral herpes because, again, I have a neuro response to HSV--but HSV sux even if you -don't- have any underlying conditions!)

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I haven't done anything else, so I'm clean.  I've had men not believe that, and that's the insulting part, not the fact that they asked to begin with.  Obviously, if I at some point have multiple partners, I'll get tested, but I'm not planning on it (the multiple partners bit).


Tell you what, dear, I would STILL ask for testing. No insult to you, but I want to see it in writing. Does that mean I don't trust you... probably. The truth is, I don't trust -anyone-, even my doctor, where my health is concerned. I want to see the black-and-white. Do you -realize- how many people say "Oh, I don't have sex with anyone." and then come back later with herpes, vaginal warts (HPV), chlamydia, etc.? With HSV, HPV, chlamydia, syphilis, and gonnorhea, women may have ZERO symptoms, and the illness may lie dormant in -me- as well, until I spread it to someone else.

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And do I worry that I'll contract something by kissing someone who HAS had multiple partners?  Not really.  I'm not going to ask for test results before kissing a vanilla date goodnight, why should this be any different?  Unless I'm missing something.


*chuckles* Well, vanilla or cinnamon, I don't kiss, pet, suck, or have sex with someone without a clean bill of health. Heck, my daughters got cold sores kissing their first boyfriends. I've never had one, and don't want one (I've seen what they go through). No swapping spit without a clean mouth.

CFB



velvetears -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 8:17:19 AM)

i am all for getting tested but how will health insurance pay for testing everything.... in everything i mean syphyllus, gonnoreah, HIV, genital warts, herpes, chlymidia, HPV, meningitis, mono, Hep. (please tell me what i missed). 

First off if someone had sex 2 months ago and got HIV and you have them tested it won't show up perhaps for 4 more months.  So you will get a false negative if they have HIV.  And i may be mistaken but herpes and warts can only be detected if the person being tested has a current outbreak.  Is there a blood test for this?? 

Put all that aside and you still have the risk that you hook up with a cheater and all that precaution goes out the window. 

All that being said i actually had doms ask me about testing. i was fine with it but when i said i expected them to  get tested too they assumed i should just take their word they were clean.  No deal. 

Also had an agreement with someone to always use a condom.  He agreed.  Found myself in a situation where i was tied up and having sex, i couldn't see if he had put on a condom so i had to trust that he would keep his word. Well he didn't and when he told me i was angry and he was offended as he felt we had gone beyond the point of needing one and "it just felt like the right thing to do"  It's a pain in the ass to have to wait 6 months and get tested again, but how could i tell a new partner i was HIV free when even if i had gone and got tested the next day a negative result would not mean much?  HIV testing with a negative result only means something if you know the date of last sexual contact. Are you going to trust a hot and horny guy wanting to have sex with you as honest when he shows you the results of his test and tells you he hasn't had sex in 6 months?  i doubt i would which is why i think condoms are a must for at least 6 months even if you are going to be monogomous.  Then you have to deal with - Well why if i told you i was negative and my last partner was 8 months ago do we have to use these things, you think i am lying - saying well yes thats a possibility will certainly cause some dissention and hurt feelings. 

Realistically, how many people use a barrier for oral?  Protection goes out the window right there.

i think testing can give people a false sense of security.



daddysprop247 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 8:46:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

i am all for getting tested but how will health insurance pay for testing everything.... in everything i mean syphyllus, gonnoreah, HIV, genital warts, herpes, chlymidia, HPV, meningitis, mono, Hep. (please tell me what i missed). 



health insurance may well not pay for everything. in fact i'd recommend not going through your GP or insurance at all, and instead being tested at your local health clinic. in some areas, like the county where Daddy and i live, there are health clinics which specialize in the testing and treatment of sexual transmitted diseases and infections. testing at these places is usually free, occasionally you may have to pay a nominal fee to be tested for something like herpes. not to mention that most clinics have anonymous testing as well, if you are worried about insuring your privacy.



GreedyTop -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 9:16:29 AM)

~FR~

planned parenthood.  If I'm not mistaken, they do a fairly comprehenisve battery of tests



hlen5 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 9:18:18 AM)

Speaking for myself, I would be offended if someone who goes gaily bareback asked me for my medical proof of health. The question itself is not offensive, but the circumstances would be.



CalifChick -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 9:22:04 AM)

There is a "panel" of tests that sort of a package deal when it comes to insurance.  They're not necessarily all billed out separately (like a pap test is).  So your insurance may cover more than you think, although cash/clinics are usually a better deal.


Cali



persephonee -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 9:23:33 AM)

As far as protection with oral...i really should but dont. Its on me and the risk is mine. Lots of fluidbonded folks are officially not candidates for the patented persephonic blowjob but that is all on them. im a slut but an ethical one.

i had flavored condoms but they were kind of questionable and i wondered if they were even going to withstand the punishment.

For women, i have used seran wrap and hated it....used a dental dam once and got an eye injury....dont ask. Besides...if youre gonna go there its just no fun wrapped up. i know i sound like a man there but i feel the way i feel.

As i type this i am listening to a genital herpes commercial....and rethinking all my sexual practices. i am full of excuses and now feel kind of creepy. Can you feel the herpes as you contract it....is it a slight popping sound in the back of your head?...

*hangs her head in shame and wanders off to put the frickin seran wrap in her play bag....*



beargonewild -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 9:33:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

i think testing can give people a false sense of security.


Granted this can be the case and at the same time it also shows that the person is responsible enough to keep themselves aware of their own health status regarding any STDs. (this includes HIV)





IvyMorgan -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 10:04:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Realistically, how many people use a barrier for oral?  Protection goes out the window right there.

When with my partner, no not always, when casually (or working) yes, always, absolutly, all the time.  I've been known to do hand jobs with condoms on, even with regualr partners.

Did I mention I was paranoid?

Edit to add:  I've had regular partners who worked in the sex industry, and I worked there for a while too.  So far, my paranoia has kept me clean of everything.  Condoms with oral does make for swollen lips the morning after though :(



AquaticSub -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 10:13:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: flower2007

I don't do anything that transmit disease (don't believe that if you wish, I decided a long time ago not to try to convince people), so I'd be offended if someone asked...it would mean they didn't believe I am who I am.

As far as most others though, do people still get insulted over that question?  Condoms aren't 100% and like you said, it's possible to have something and not realize it.  I didn't realize asking someone for proof was an issue anymore.



So you don't touch anyone? Diseases commonly spread by sex, like herpes, don't have to be. They are transfered by skin to skin contact - like wrestling. It's unlikely but possible and has happened.

Most likely, I'd still make you get tested and if you were offended by that... well too bad. You're being offended is better than me having a STI, however unlikely, because you picked one up unusually.



Gleegal67 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:17:32 AM)

Proof of Health is part of my responsibility as a sexual partner, but most of all as a parent.  It is my responsibility to be healthy to raise my son, my sexual appetite should never hinder or get in the way of me being a responsible parent.  I have gotten tested regularly since I was a young teenager - easy to do when I get yearly pap exams - just as easy to get all the blood work done too.  When a partner asks for Proof of Health before I do, honestly, I hold them in a higher regard because not only do they respect their body, they respect mine too.  That is just hot!  :D

Now as a responsible parent, with a son that will be starting his sexual journey in the near future, I am locating clinics so I can make sure that him and his friends are responsible too.

Planned Parenthood - which is a fabulous organization - charges $170 for a full screen if no insurance - but results take about 2-3 weeks.  If one has symptoms, they can get results quicker possibly same day.  If you have insurance, then your costs are just like any other doctor visit.

Advanced Testing Center - is confidential and they do not accept any medical insurance - cash/credit only is $349.00 -  you get results within a couple of days and you call for results if you need hard copy then they can fax or mail it.

Just thought I'd pass the info along - check your local area clinics - alot of them do free HIV testing too.

It's a big world out there and think we all need to be responsible in testing - have y'all heard about those "Super STD's" that are out there now?  I was shocked seeing a page two when I got tested last...Holy Mackerel!  That's a whole lotta action that can be going on when we're having such a fabulous time sexually! 

::: visions of these viruses having a party without us knowing...Conga line or something along those visions! :::



CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:24:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: flower2007

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

yes i understand that for those that use sleeves it is not a issue, however for those that go "natual" it is an inportant issue as someone can be a carrier and not even be aware of it.

Any commnets?


I don't do anything that transmit disease (don't believe that if you wish, I decided a long time ago not to try to convince people), so I'd be offended if someone asked...it would mean they didn't believe I am who I am.

As far as most others though, do people still get insulted over that question?  Condoms aren't 100% and like you said, it's possible to have something and not realize it.  I didn't realize asking someone for proof was an issue anymore.


flower,

if you say it i will believe it as I have no reason not too, but how does that work; not doing anything to transmit???

CP



eyesopened -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:24:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: flower2007

I don't do anything that transmit disease (don't believe that if you wish, I decided a long time ago not to try to convince people), so I'd be offended if someone asked...it would mean they didn't believe I am who I am.

As far as most others though, do people still get insulted over that question?  Condoms aren't 100% and like you said, it's possible to have something and not realize it.  I didn't realize asking someone for proof was an issue anymore.



So you don't touch anyone? Diseases commonly spread by sex, like herpes, don't have to be. They are transfered by skin to skin contact - like wrestling. It's unlikely but possible and has happened.

Most likely, I'd still make you get tested and if you were offended by that... well too bad. You're being offended is better than me having a STI, however unlikely, because you picked one up unusually.


Good point!  Also, are the toys safe?  Boiled rope?  I know folks who will be careful to use a new cracker each time they use their single-tail which is a really good idea as well.  When my Master and I got together, He purchased all new insertables including gags and sanitized all rope, clamps, etc.  *smiles* He actually went through the expense of purchasing a whole new bed and mattress on which no one but the two of us have ever slept or played.  He's romantic that way.



CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:26:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

Hi CP:

As you say, I am in a committed relationship.  Before that relationship, she'd been celibate for 3 years and I'd been in another marriage for 6.  Neither of us had any risk factors for anything.  We had a full battery done.  The doctor didn't want to do them with all sorts of excuses.  I pretty much said, "I'm paying the bill, shut up and run the tests."  Both of us thought it was a very good idea, no disension there.

Hope that helps
~Jeff




Jeff, what more can be said other than Outstanding!!

CP 



CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:32:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I go on occasion, or when I really want that sort of relationship with that person and it's a requirement for them and so it's worth it.

I just assume everyone has everything and is clueless about it.  Saves me lots of worry and time- I take the risks I am comfortable with and expect no level of competency from another.


LA, But do you place the requirement on the other side of the slash?

CP



CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:35:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I was just retested two months ago for a wide range of diseases, including HIV and I've had the same two sexual partners (as in possible exchange of body fluids) for 7 years now.

I made Fox get tested and the husband get tested as well as me before Fox and I got sexual.

Anyone else joining us or just one of us, means another round of testing for everyone. Someone who can't understand why that is important has shown his/herself to be too immature to join this household.


tammyjo,

In my book, it appears that your on top of the program. thanks for your input.

CP



CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:37:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: roughleather

The Long's Drugs here has a doctor's office, and offers pre-sex physicals for a flat rate.


rl,

Well cudos to Longs, I wonder if they all have that service? Anyone know?

CP



CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:40:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

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ORIGINAL: flower2007
I don't do anything that transmit disease (don't believe that if you wish, I decided a long time ago not to try to convince people), so I'd be offended if someone asked...it would mean they didn't believe I am who I am.


Okay, help me out here, I'm confused.

You're saying you have zero sexual contact of any kind, with or without barriers? No kissing, nothing?  That's the only way you could say you "don't do anything that transmit disease".  So instead of being insulted, why would you not respond with, "I'm not going to touch you or kiss you anyway, so why would it matter?"

Or have I missed something important?

Cali



CalifChick,

My thoughts exactly!

CP 



CreativeDominant -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/3/2008 11:42:51 AM)

I started in practice 25 years ago.  2 years prior to that, I worked in one of the outpatient clinics in Saint Paul and sold my blood plasma regularly.  I was exposed to patients with AIDs every week and we took all precautions but we were all urged to begin being tested. 

Given the area that I practice in, I have not had a lot of cases of HIV positive people or people with full-blown AIDs but I have had a few, including a little old lady who developed it from blood transfusions.  I've continued to be tested and, every time I give blood, they test it then also.  I've yet to have a positive test...hooray and thank the Lord...but that hasn't stopped me from being tested or made me lax.  I have no problem presenting someone with an updated health card, if they ask for it. 

I know, I know, some submissives will consider your asking as an indication that you see them as lying about the number of their previous sex partners...or about their use of condoms...or that you consider them and indiscriminant slut.  They will be insulted.  If they cannot be bothered...neither can I.  And if they are insulted, then I have a feeling that my way of dominance will insult their point of view of D/s anyway.



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