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IvyMorgan -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 12:47:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Briena

Yes I was speaking about gardasil.  I am in the US so thats what we have here.  I really dont think its that sketchy.  The FDA is very strict.  My sister used to have to deal with them while working on other peoples patents for skin care products.  The facts that I posted came straight from the CDCs website about gardasil.  I think it is better for girls to get the vaccine and not have to worry about catching and passing along those types of HPV.  Thats just my opinion though. 
Please go and google "gardasil women in government"

Anyone who gives lots of money to lobby groups to promote/push/create statewide vaccination programmes in a bid to speed up the FDA approval process has me asking questions.

To the bolded section, yes, true, but the problem is the massive cost to the government *here* for very little gain, the money could be more effectivly spent elsewhere, and the fact that the vaccine may lead to less women taking smeer/pap tests which check for *other* types of cervical cancer as they think they're immune to them all.  Let's face it, people aren't good at remembering exact medical details, if they've had a shot, they think they're safe.  And too many women already opt out of pap/smeer testing.




CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 12:50:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I started in practice 25 years ago.  2 years prior to that, I worked in one of the outpatient clinics in Saint Paul and sold my blood plasma regularly.  I was exposed to patients with AIDs every week and we took all precautions but we were all urged to begin being tested. 

Given the area that I practice in, I have not had a lot of cases of HIV positive people or people with full-blown AIDs but I have had a few, including a little old lady who developed it from blood transfusions.  I've continued to be tested and, every time I give blood, they test it then also.  I've yet to have a positive test...hooray and thank the Lord...but that hasn't stopped me from being tested or made me lax.  I have no problem presenting someone with an updated health card, if they ask for it. 

I know, I know, some submissives will consider your asking as an indication that you see them as lying about the number of their previous sex partners...or about their use of condoms...or that you consider them and indiscriminant slut.  They will be insulted.  If they cannot be bothered...neither can I.  And if they are insulted, then I have a feeling that my way of dominance will insult their point of view of D/s anyway.


CD,

Indeed your hitting the nail on the head. I believe she thought that I consided her to be somewhat on the slut side of the equasion, tho I took pains to reassure her that was not the case/ oooooorrrrrrr perhaps she just used the point to exist the lunch for chemistry reasons.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 12:55:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vield

Yes there are many ways of getting tested for most things.

I am currently fluid bonded with one partner with no fluid exchanges with others.

This could change. We do safe play with others, we may bring someone into our relationship if it seems right. If so, that person will have no unsafe sex with either of us until we are both sure that they are a safe partner. This will require testing after they enter the relationship as well as before.

I do carry a couple of years worth of test results with me to events and I do share them with potential play partners even though we plan safe play. It is not a good negotiation approach to ask others for data you do not give them.

I also plan to get vaccinated against every STD that I can get vaccinated against as soon as my Dr. tells me a new vaccination is safe and effective.

Everyone should get the Hepatitis B vaccination. This virus is tougher than HIV virus (which dies easily outside the body).

All women who have not had it should get the vaccination against HPPV (I think those are the initials?) because there seems to be a connection between a woman catching this and then later getting cervical cancer.

My HMO pays for my STD testing, and they have now come to realize that I expect a printout of the results every year after my annual physical. I used to have to ask each time, now I just remind them.

vield,

it certainly helps when your bonded to one and have few worries but continue to test in addition / great advice to all.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 12:59:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Briena

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: Briena

Mono is transmited by kissing, and so is meningitis, which often has no symptoms at all at first.  TB is also transmited by kissing.  Herpes can be transmitted by kissing as well.


Briana,

B,

That is one impressive support feedback system.

CP

Methinks you might be in the medical field.

CP


No, Im not in the medical field.  I was in the military though, so I had to learn more about the average things most people do.  Also as a child, my father lied to me and told me that my doctor told him I had herpes.  After that I started to study exstensivly on STDs and other diseases that are transmitted by contact.  It turned out I didnt have herpes, and my father was just a liar.  My brother is an EMT, and my step mother studies to be a nurse, and has an exstensive background in biology and anatomy.  When I was in the military I was like the go to person for medical problems.  I take great pride in knowing the dangers that come with a sexually active lifestyle.  Plus like 99.9% of the military are sluts <3...  They have a tendancy to just pass stuff along to eachother LOL. 




CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 1:01:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: everhope

my medical insurance (HMO) also pays for my yearly STD testing including HIV and the Heps. i get them done yearly along with my pap smear. i do what i can do to protect myself and take responsibility for my sexual adventures. a big part of that is being tested yearly. i also can't do the condom BJ, so i am selective who i offer  my mouth to. exchanging test results is nothing out of the ordinary in my world, in fact i would find it odd if someone was sexually active and did not get tested regulary.
 
may we all find our bliss.

hope,

Grins , kindly move your seat to the front row.

CP  




LadyPact -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 3:26:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan
This is the exact story that happened to me.  Though I was still (debatably) a virgin when I was tested.

I think if more people talked about it, more people would realize how important the testing is.




whis31 -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 4:31:06 PM)

Master required my to see proof of my last test prior to anything happening. As luck would have it i already had a test scheduled for the next month. So every thing was clean, and since i have to have a pap every six months due to abnormal cells...i get test every six months and the only one i'm with is Master.




Briena -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 5:35:01 PM)

There is no speeding up the FDA approval process.  Everything in the FDA is fully regulated, and MUST pass every test that is given to all products.  You cant really speed it up unless the FDA fraudulently fills out the required forms stating that said tests are passed.  Like I said, my sister used to deal with the FDA on a daily basis.  She would call me and tell me how frustrating they are.  It demands perfection in its process, and it doesnt compromise.

Nation-wide vaccines have saved lives.  Look at the small pox vaccine.  Small pox is now irradicated in the USA.  Military still recieve the vaccine, but thats because we travel all over the world, but other than that, only a small amount is produced.  The Polio vaccine was also a nation wide vaccine given to the population.  No one here has Polio anymore.  Lobbying for Gardasil to become a nation wide given vaccine is, in my opinion, a good thing.  Women would lobby for it, its given to women.  Women in politics would be the ones to lobby for its distribution.  It saves womens lives, and has the potential to save many more.  I see no conspiracy going on.  There really isnt one.  As the CDC says, there have been no deaths actually linked to Gardasil, if there were a number of deaths linked to it, than it would be taken off the market, and re-evaluated.  The FDA does NOT play around. 




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 6:36:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Briena

There is no speeding up the FDA approval process.  Everything in the FDA is fully regulated, and MUST pass every test that is given to all products.  You cant really speed it up unless the FDA fraudulently fills out the required forms stating that said tests are passed.  Like I said, my sister used to deal with the FDA on a daily basis.  She would call me and tell me how frustrating they are.  It demands perfection in its process, and it doesnt compromise.

Nation-wide vaccines have saved lives.  Look at the small pox vaccine.  Small pox is now irradicated in the USA.  Military still recieve the vaccine, but thats because we travel all over the world, but other than that, only a small amount is produced.  The Polio vaccine was also a nation wide vaccine given to the population.  No one here has Polio anymore.  Lobbying for Gardasil to become a nation wide given vaccine is, in my opinion, a good thing.  Women would lobby for it, its given to women.  Women in politics would be the ones to lobby for its distribution.  It saves womens lives, and has the potential to save many more.  I see no conspiracy going on.  There really isnt one.  As the CDC says, there have been no deaths actually linked to Gardasil, if there were a number of deaths linked to it, than it would be taken off the market, and re-evaluated.  The FDA does NOT play around. 


Briena, speaking as an 'insider' heavily involved in the process of approval for new drugs and new uses for existing drugs, the FDA approval process is "speeded up" all the time. We process 'exceptions' for hundreds of drugs every year just at the research centers around where I work, and there is even a special category called an IND (Investigational New Drug) for compassionate approval, without testing, of a drug that is suspected of being capable of saving lives, so that that drug can be used, untested, in human patients, with few or no animal studies or the minimum of in-vitro data, in the hopes that it may save a life that couldn't be saved if they had to wait for approval through normal channels. (I know -- I write the documentation for IND approvals at least once a week, and over 80% of the requested exemptions are approved!).

CFB




Briena -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/4/2008 7:48:37 PM)

My sisters job couldnt get anything passed through FDA in any type of speedy process.  Not even when it came so a cream for patients with skin cancer.  The cream "supposedly" reduced the tumor in size, or in some cases, I dont know how to explain it, "cured" the tumor???  I dont know if that was the right word for it.  Anyhow, she still couldnt get any type of rush on that either.  Everything she ever put through to the FDA had a minimum of a 7 year trial study, I think, I cant remember exactly.  I know it would take years to get the product on the market though.  Then again, this is all me hearing about it from my sister.  I am not familiar with all the ins and outs of the system.  I just know what my sister has told me from her experiences in dealing with the FDA. 
I still stand by my feelings about guardasil.  I can understand why women in politics lobbyed for it to be on the market.  I still see no conspiracy going on about the product.  I agree that it should be a nation wide vaccine.  It can save lives, and prevent cancer.
Thanks for the info though :D 

   




IvyMorgan -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 9:02:35 AM)

Women in Politics lobbied because Merck gave them lots of money.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Women_in_Government

http://www.prwatch.org/node/6232

Certain states campaigned heavily for state wide vaccine programmes.... because Merck gave them lots of money.

http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/455/28/

Why do any politicans in the US lobby for anything?  Because special interest groups give them funding.  Merck are a special interest group (interested in themselves not going backrupt) and so, they funded, and lo, the politicians lobbied.

I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but, you can't liken this to polio or smallpox.  Either in the nature of the vaccine programme, nature of the vaccine, nature of the diseases, nature of the pre-vaccination programme testing procedures, political climate, advertising strategy for the vaccine etc.

I am saying that some degree of questioning and a critical approach is necessary before jumping on the "wow gardasil" bandwagon. 

http://www.cogforlife.org/gardasilfacts.htm

http://www.24-7-news.com/archives/2130

Even the advertising programme admits that it's not a panacea (one in a 1000 people who don't now die of cancer...)

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/57419.php

Ooo I like links.  They do wonders for providing evidence to support an argument, when simply citing facts isn't enough.




IvyMorgan -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 9:08:17 AM)

And if we're wondering about why Merck needed Gardasil approved and used so much... on 29th September 2004, everything went tits up with the Vioxx pulling and the resulting $2.5 billion loss in revenue plus related law suits when the arthritus pain killer was found to cause strokes and heart attacks.

Gardasil was/is supposed to fix the problem and keep up the double digit growth figures promised to investors.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/03/news/companies/merck/index.htm
(cos no post/point is complete without a link)




CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 10:47:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ODadEO

Good topic
If and when I take on a new slave, I will require everyone involved to have a series of tests done to assure us all and take any worry about that part of things out of the way.  There is a service available all across the country, far as I know, where privacy (anonymity?) is maintained.  The total cost is around $250, which is a little high maybe, but still within a reasonable range for a full line of tests.



ODadEO

I agree of course but a history is even better given the time lapse period.

CP 




CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 10:55:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BKSir

Standard rule of mine.  If I'm going to be in a physical relationship with anyone, we ALL go get tested, even though I know for a fact that I'm clean.  No matter what the test results are, we still practice safer sex for 6 months.  THEN we all get tested again, if they still come back clean, we renegotiate the use of condoms, unless there have been other partners aside from those in the household, then, there is no negotiations, the rubber stays.  After that, everyone gets tested every 6 months anyway, it's just good, common sense.  And really, it's a whole what, 45 minutes out of my day, twice a year.  I think pretty much anyone can spare an hour and a half a year.


BKSir,

Well you have a plan that works for you / thanks for your input.

CP




KatyLied -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 12:03:53 PM)

Being tested is good and helpful.  But only if you realize that it only provides a snapshot of a person's health at that moment in time.  Some illnesses have incubation periods that would require them to be celibate for the following 3 months (or longer depending on certain diseases), this means no contact of a penetrative or skin-to-skin nature, in order to know for sure that they are disease free.




CelticPrince -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 12:41:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Being tested is good and helpful.  But only if you realize that it only provides a snapshot of a person's health at that moment in time.  Some illnesses have incubation periods that would require them to be celibate for the following 3 months (or longer depending on certain diseases), this means no contact of a penetrative or skin-to-skin nature, in order to know for sure that they are disease free.


Katy,

Indeed your right and I have commented on that in a few replies; a history is better than a snapshot.

CP




Gorgias -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 6:49:55 PM)

Anyone who would be offended by asking for an STD test is someone 'm not interested in playing with.

Safety is paramount.  Vanilla sex is probably the most dangerous thing that you can do in this lifestyle.  If someone didn't want to go under an STD test, I'd treat them as someone who neglected important safety precautions in any other kind of play




Aneirin -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 6:54:57 PM)

I do not think it an insult for someone to ask for proof of health, myself, I would gladly give it as a sign that I am committed to another's health and well being. I have recently been tested for all known diseases and come up clear in all, I am happy with that and will go through the swab up the eye again for another if thay so ask. Health is important for all of us, and unless you have something to hide, why object to tests.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 8:08:24 PM)

I was last tested nine months ago, which is precisely as long as it's been since I've had sex.

I will get tested again, before I have sex with my next (currently purely hypothetical) partner.




Aneirin -> RE: Proof Of Health (9/5/2008 8:48:28 PM)

If you have not had sexual liasions or engage in possible infection transferring recreations, why get tested again, surely you remain clear. Or is it you will go through it again to show your commitment to another ?




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