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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 5:35:36 PM   
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I think that it is the sheer unfamiliarity of male's showing each other affection that causes them upset. Sisters, or mothers and daughters, will hug after having been parted. It's much more unusual for brothers or a father and grown son to do so.


Have you never seen a sporting celebration?

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 5:37:30 PM   
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Have you never seen a sporting celebration?


yea yea....football players smacking each others asses.....uh huh they're all straight...and bending over looking at their asses all game long!!!




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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 5:46:24 PM   
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^^ edited because im late for a beating and dont have time to make my comments about the thread in general less caustic....have a good evening all....peace.

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 5:50:28 PM   
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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 5:55:02 PM   
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I think that it is the sheer unfamiliarity of male's showing each other affection that causes them upset. Sisters, or mothers and daughters, will hug after having been parted. It's much more unusual for brothers or a father and grown son to do so.


Have you never seen a sporting celebration?


In the Mediterranean, men greet each other by kissing, hug each other, and generally show physical affection to their male friends and relatives without worrying about appearing to be 'gay'. The physical distance thing is very much a product of frigid northern culture. I'm not sure if homophobia is: any anthropologists out there? We could do with a study or too. Otherwise... loosen up, guys! (God, that sounded awful, in this context .)

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:02:35 PM   
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A lot of straight men can't handle homosexuality because they view it as an attack on THEIR masculinity. That's why in general men don't have a problem with lesbians, because lesbians aren't an attack on their masculinity.

That's how I've always seen it.

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:03:58 PM   
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general men don't have a problem with lesbians, because lesbians aren't an attack on their masculinity.


not to mention that many men have the  #1 fantasy of having sex with 2 women.  even if they are just watching.



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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:12:08 PM   
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^^^^

There is some truth in that, too. But for the most part it's just non-threatening, it's "okay" by traditional standards.

Hell, I'm a 100% straight male, raised by a lesbian mother, and so homosexuality was completely normal and commonplace, and I'd still rather not be around two guys in a hot and heavy make out session.

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:19:29 PM   
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I'd still rather not be around two guys in a hot and heavy make out session.


Perhaps because to most of us, sex is an intimate thing, and we typically don't want to witness the intimate relations of others (I am NOT talking about the perverts and the voyeurs here ).

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:22:15 PM   
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In the Mediterranean, men greet each other by kissing, hug each other, and generally show physical affection to their male friends and relatives without worrying about appearing to be 'gay'. The physical distance thing is very much a product of frigid northern culture. I'm not sure if homophobia is: any anthropologists out there?


Yeah but in fairness they also stab to death an animal that is in no real position to defend itself to prove their manhood.


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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:24:55 PM   
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^^^
Yeah, no, it just makes me slightly queasy just because it's two guys. No other reason.

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:39:36 PM   
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All my adult life, I've been aware of fear/resentment/hatred among some hetersexual Men towards homosexual Men.  Yet I've not noticed it amoung any Women.
 
It seems we accept all Women...from the most-popular supermodel to the the most Butched-Out Les, as Women.  I am unaware of any girlfriend of mine who has ever expressed a fear of 'losing her womanhood' (though some have said they feared losing their 'feminity', and perhaps that's a parallel, but I don't think so.)
 
So wtf is up with hetersexual Men?  By 18 or 21, don't you pretty much 'know', as Women do, what sort of body 'turns your crank'?  Do you fear deep inside you you harbor feelings of 'latent homosexuality' and some day, some gorgeous flamer will seduce you?
 
And if it happened, how would you be any less a Man?  Gay Men as as Manly as any other Man; pretty much (with a nod to the intersexxed) if you have the parts, you're a Man..even if someone removes the parts, you're still a Man; just one who's been altered.
 
(With a nod to the ts/tv/cd's) Women I know do not wring their hands in grief when contacted by a fem lez; perhaps they missed that statement in our profiles that we are straight -- or perhaps we are gay, and delight in receiving such contacts -- but we are all of us Women.
 
Women do not form gangs which go around beating up lesbian couples, not to my knowledge, and trust me, Women are very bit as group oriented and capable of violence as Men.  So, I'm interested in comments on this phenomena.
 
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hmmmmmm..The question is "What causes Homophobia"..I guess there are as many answers to this question as the colors in the rainbow that represent the gay movement.  For myself, I was homophobic in my teen years...but I am
in the older generation and when I was a teenager gay people were all in the closet and, frankly, I really didn't know much about homosexuality. Ignorance is always at the root of any phobia I guess.    Out of the hundreds of boys in my neighborhood I could point to two that were outwardly gay. The rest if us were "macho" if we knew what was good for us. By the way,  We neverthought of a girl being lesbian. A girl was either "clean" or a whore but never a lesbian. The Stonewall riots came in my late teens and within a few years the gay liberation movement was well underway.  I think lends itself to homophobic reaction among hetero males is that when you have a movement, you also than have those that are on the fringe of the movement.  Too activist gays..pushing their gayness on others, I think, is one of the myriad of reasons for the homophobic backlash.
In more recent years, I really feel that homophobia has been relegated to a small and manageable issue...but I am not gay and probably would not feel the same vibes as one who was gay.  I am bi, however, and have some wonderful gay friends who I wouldn't trade for anything.   I think we are alway going to have some sort of bigotry towards a group, an ethnic population, a religion, and maybe even gender.  Can one be bigoted towards the opposite sex? Sorry for the rambling.
I guess that is the human condition and it's failing. 

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:39:40 PM   
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It has been my experience that one valid reason for homophobia is because many straight men feel threatened by gay men. They fear we all want to have sex with them which isn't the case. Many straight men do not understand why or how a gay man is able to show and give affection to another man thus they fear what they don't understand. Quite often this fear translates into anger and/or hate which is then expressed in hate mongering, physical/emotional violence and perpetuating the myth and prejudice towards us who desire the affection and intimacy of another man.
    With some, they are repressing their own feelings towards another male and are fearful of admitting that attraction. So men are influenced by their peers into believing that gay men are perverts, sick, disgusting, etc so that mentality follows them throughout their adulthood and they sincerely believe that is true of us.


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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:42:08 PM   
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In the Mediterranean, men greet each other by kissing, hug each other, and generally show physical affection to their male friends and relatives without worrying about appearing to be 'gay'. The physical distance thing is very much a product of frigid northern culture. I'm not sure if homophobia is: any anthropologists out there?


Yeah but in fairness they also stab to death an animal that is in no real position to defend itself to prove their manhood.



In Spain, Portugal, and the Basque country, but nowhere else. What's it got to do with it ?

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 6:44:29 PM   
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Yeah, no, it just makes me slightly queasy just because it's two guys. No other reason.


Please consider this: many gay men are turned off when they witness a man and a woman showing displays of affection to each other. Displays such as, kissing on the lips, hugging, necking etc. We know this happens even though we don't care to see this yet we accept the fact that heterosexual men are going to be affectionate towards heterosexual women.


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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 7:04:18 PM   
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Have you never seen a sporting celebration?


yea yea....football players smacking each others asses.....uh huh they're all straight...and bending over looking at their asses all game long!!!





Not to mention all that talk about penetration, going up the middle and "hitting the back door"

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 9:36:55 PM   
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Have you never seen a sporting celebration?


yea yea....football players smacking each others asses.....uh huh they're all straight...and bending over looking at their asses all game long!!!





Not to mention all that talk about penetration, going up the middle and "hitting the back door"


I've spent many happy years ignorant of what happens on a football field. You're not going to suck me into learning about it now!

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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 9:48:49 PM   
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I've spent many happy years ignorant of what happens on a football field. You're not going to suck me into learning about it now!


psssst..the football was made with pointed ends you know....for a specific reason!


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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/6/2008 10:10:35 PM   
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I don't know, flaming gay men, make me ill, I don't want to be near them at all. Gay dudes that act sane, don't bother me. I don't think that makes me homophobic, but its the truth. Same with lesbians, really aggressive over the top lesbians, just get on my nerves, lesbians that don't act crazy are fine.

Two dudes open mouth kissing though, sorry, that will literally make me vomit. Not kidding, I don't know what exactly it is about passionate male on male kissing, but I'd rather watch two men eat shit out each others ass. (Not saying gay people eat shit, just the most extreme disgusting example I could think of).

But just the knowledge of someone being gay has zero effect on me, dudes passionately kissing weirds me out, a small kiss doesn't bother me. Gays fucking doesn't even weird me out, though I'd prefer not to see it, Gay men sucking cock doesn't weird me out, again don't want to see it, but hardcore kissing errrrrrr, I'd have to look away, and probably leave.

However, I'm not a big fan of gonzo nuts kissing anyway, for heteros. So maybe I've just got some passionate kissing weirdness, that is multiplied by dudes doing it, which is not something you see often around here.

Anyway, I agree that passionate man on man kissing should not be done in public viewable areas ever or on television without warnings. Laws should be passed.




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RE: What Causes Homophobia? - 9/7/2008 12:43:10 AM   
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I don't know the answer to that.
I've always been curious about what makes gay people gay.
I've never had any animosity for them at all, why should I?
One time me and a friend of mine were in Boston bar hopping and two drunks started hassling us and called us "Fags" and my buddy cold cocked the one and you could literally hear his head hit the sidewalk and it sounded like a pumpkin!
I looked at the other one and said, "You want some Charlie?"
He put his hands up and said no. lol
Good thing too, I had a .38 Colt snub-nosed revolver in my coat pocket.
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