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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 9:42:06 PM   
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Anyway I don't want to argue about politics anymore. the neocons have gone too far the last eight years and I'm looking forward to change. The funny thing is I used to be very conservative but one thing about me is I am fiscally conservative and George Bush is not. I don't know how to people are going to balance the budget in the future with all the money that has been wasted on nonsense the last eight years. And those ridiculous tax cuts for the rich that they want to continue.Obama has to get elected or the United States will become insolvent.         


I will agree with you about Bush not being very fiscally conservative.  However, to claim that Obama is some how going to be even close to a fiscal conservative is borderline insanity.  I hate to break it to you, but your Obama, admitted today that he would not repeal the tax cuts or even raise taxes on those evil wealthy folks if we are in a recession.  Then if you look at his spending plans, I have to question what your definition of fiscal conservative is.  The two statements do not compute.



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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 9:51:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really don't see a big deal. They tried putting the two of them in chairs next to each other, and they mixed like oil and water. They turned into, as John Stewart termed them, "Statler and Waldorf" (the two old hecklers from the Muppet Show). It just didn't make for very good TV coverage.

So... back they go to their respective shows, doing what they've proven they are good at, analyis and commentary, and they'll try someone else covering the "as it happens" events.

Frankly, and I don't know how you guys feel about it, the thing that was really driving me up the wall about ALL the coverage of BOTH conventions was a technical problem... the fucking 3 second time delay during the interviews! It was just aggrevating as hell.

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 9:52:42 PM   
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Yeah... god damn that George Bush, he's waaaay to far to the left with his spending.

That's probably why his approval numbers are so low - he's far too Liberal.


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I will agree with you about Bush not being very fiscally conservative.  However, to claim that Obama is some how going to be even close to a fiscal conservative is borderline insanity.  I hate to break it to you, but your Obama, admitted today that he would not repeal the tax cuts or even raise taxes on those evil wealthy folks if we are in a recession.  Then if you look at his spending plans, I have to question what your definition of fiscal conservative is.  The two statements do not compute.




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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:00:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah... he only doubled the national debt, the pussy! Hell, let's get in there, and start four or five more wars, and ramp up the Mars exploration project. Let's decree that the Orion launch vehicles all be made from gold! Tell the banks it's okay to make sub prime home loans to 12 year olds, who don't even have jobs!

Let's shoot the works! The GOP has doomed American anyhow!

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:19:49 PM   
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Say... I'll bet you that there's a desk down at MSNBC that's got your name on it.

You had ought to go apply!


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Yeah... he only doubled the national debt, the pussy! Hell, let's get in there, and start four or five more wars, and ramp up the Mars exploration project. Let's decree that the Orion launch vehicles all be made from gold! Tell the banks it's okay to make sub prime home loans to 12 year olds, who don't even have jobs!

Let's shoot the works! The GOP has doomed American anyhow!


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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:23:36 PM   
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Today in the news...
The GOP sucks and want to murder us all...
Meanwhile, Obama continues to enlighten the world, bringing peace and prosperity to all that are willing to believe.  His speech made me see the light, and was almost orgasmic.

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:27:35 PM   
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YouTube - Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ


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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:29:27 PM   
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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:33:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I already said I didn't believe Bush was.  Now please explain to me how Obama fits the definition of a fiscal conservative.

I am seriously curious about reading your thoughts on that one.

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:34:09 PM   
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I'm sure you think Bill Clinton wasn't fiscally conservative either but he was much better than George Bush or any other Republican will ever be


Clinton was forced to be fiscally conservative by a Republican Congress while in the White House.
And it is interesting how President Bush spends just like a Democrat but still can't get any love from them.

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:36:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Things will definitely be much better if Obama is elected president.  All the money wasted on war that could have been spent securing the borders and giving health care to 50 million Americans who have none.  That is a disgrace to America with all its wealth it won't even cover those people like the other industrialized Western countries that give it its people health care.  And it would be nice to have a president that believes in the Constitution instead of trying to destroy it with signing statements  

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:41:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stop distorting the truth with nonsense.  George Bush is spending money to secure oil for the oil companies into Iraq, Exxon and British Petroleum.  So those companies can make money selling oil, that's what the war is all about.  And when George Bush spends money it's not for the American people it's for his corporate friends like the drug companies and Halliburton and KBR.

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:41:59 PM   
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Things will definitely be much better if Obama is elected president.  All the money wasted on war that could have been spent securing the borders and giving health care to 50 million Americans who have none.  That is a disgrace to America with all its wealth it won't even cover those people like the other industrialized Western countries that give it its people health care.  And it would be nice to have a president that believes in the Constitution instead of trying to destroy it with signing statements  


Okay, lets assume that all the money from the war in Iraq is saved.  What is he claiming recently $10Billion a month?  How much of that is going to be spent on his plans for Afghanistan? 

You made a statement about being fiscally conservative, I am wondering how Obama fits that description.  Is he going to cut spending? Shrink government? Balance the budget, and if so how?  Where does socialized medicine fit into the fiscal conservative definition?

A curious mind wants to know, so here is your chance to sell me on this.

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:49:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think if he's elected he will be a lot like Bill Clinton and we will have surpluses every year like before.  Especially, it will be a lot easier to do that if we are not spending $10 billion a week in Iraq.  I think he is going to use that same economist, Robert Reich, the short guy that Bill Clinton used.  You should read his new book, I can't remember what it's called now unfortunately.  Even Alan Greenspan said Bill Clinton was the best Republican president
The War in Iraq Costs$552,216,047,112 http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home




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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 10:56:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're asking a lot of questions about issues and I really don't have a problem with that but I'm not sure I'm the expert to answer all these questions.  But I will tell you I am not pleased with the Republican Party especially when John McCains campaign manager said something like, 'This Election Is Not about Issues'

He said the election will be something about a composite  of the candidates that the public gets from all the campaigning.  So why don't you demand from your own party the same kind of  facts on these issues that you are demanding from me right now

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 11:01:35 PM   
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I think if he's elected he will be a lot like Bill Clinton and we will have surpluses every year like before.  Especially, it will be a lot easier to do that if we are not spending $10 billion a week in Iraq.  I think he is going to use that same economist, Robert Reich, the short guy that Bill Clinton used.  You should read his new book, I can't remember what it's called now unfortunately.  Even Alan Greenspan said Bill Clinton was the best Republican president
The War in Iraq Costs$552,216,047,112 http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home






Uhm, I am almost at a loss of words. Wow, I didn't realize we were up to $45Billion a month...  How are we going to have surpluses every year? 

When did Clinton switch parties?

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 11:03:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to go I can't debate this all night.  Here is some factual information if you want to take a look at it, it's stuff I've read before


Media Matters - Matthews Monitor
http://mediamatters.org/action_center/matthews_monitor/

Mom, Can My Voting Machine Spend the Night?

By Anahad O'Connor

Ohio is an election battleground state with perennial problems at the polls. So what have election officials in some precincts of the state been doing to keep their voting machines safe from tampering?

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/mom-can-my-voting-machine-spend-the-night/?hp



Palin Won't Do Interviews Until Treated with "Deference"
blogs.abcnews.com — Rick Davis, campaign manager for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., just told Fox News Channel's Chris Wallace that McCain running mate Gov. Sarah Palin won't subject herself to any tough questions from reporters "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."More… (US Elections 2008)http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-media-a-2.html



Mark Nickolas: The Media-Created Myth That Veterans Love McCain
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/the-media-created-myth-th_b_118235.html


Scarborough reacts to Palin news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbsbeY5k5k


Susan Eisenhower Leaves The Republican Party
http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=19618







Use of Iraq Contractors Costs Billions, Report Says

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/washington/12contractors.html?ex=1376193600&en=2dd8eb2c5673a553&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg



I'm sure some people would like me to put cyanide in my Koolaid and shut up, but getting back to the topic ,

But getting back to the topic at MSNBC if they are playing around with Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews I guess it's because the corporate controlled media doesn't like it that they're telling the truth.  And it has a nothing to do with the left or right  politically, it's about telling the truth.  The right wing always says that the media is 'left' when it's telling the truth.  


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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 11:05:55 PM   
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You're asking a lot of questions about issues and I really don't have a problem with that but I'm not sure I'm the expert to answer all these questions.  But I will tell you I am not pleased with the Republican Party especially when John McCains campaign manager said something like, 'This Election Is Not about Issues'

He said the election will be something about a composite  of the candidates that the public gets from all the campaigning.  So why don't you demand from your own party the same kind of  facts on these issues that you are demanding from me right now


I don't belong to a political party anymore, I was once a registered Democrat though.  If you don't know the answers, that is cool.  I was hoping somebody was gonna explain the how it's going to be paid for.

Here's a secret, Senator Obama doesn't know either.  It does sound wonderful though.

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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 11:06:58 PM   
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RE: Oberman / Mathews Lose Anchor Seats - 9/7/2008 11:10:33 PM   
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Sometimes when I'm channel surfing I'll stop on MSNBC for a few laughs, then move on. 


Keith Ubarman can be funnier than Colbert.  He obviously is not a real person but a caraciture
of the insane fringe of most any political party. Somehow I keep seeing him in a black uniform with his
right arm straight out in front goosestepping down the Unter den Linden in Berlin. Scary guy...

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