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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:30:46 AM   
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all the social issues that McCain/Palin stand for are being used as a scare tatic.  just as lady roth stated in the video, what is important is the economy, not abortion or in this case book banning.  voters need to vote for the party that they believe is better for the economy and much larger issues. 

The election isn't a single issue topic, no matter what you might have been told by someone in a YouTube video.  There are many issues that are important to people, and the economy is only one of them.  If everything else is meaningless to you, then maybe you should extricate yourself from threads that deal with anything but the economy instead of acting like a troll.

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lady roth believes the republican ticket is the one to get the job done.

Bully for her.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:33:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		it does not matter to me that you feel the social issues are more important than people having jobs to put food on the table.  the major headlines read "stock market in trouble" not "we want abortion rights now!"

every american has the right to get an abortion today if she wants.  every american has the right to read any book they want right now.

this week, yesterday, today and tomorrow, how many americans lost or will loose their retirement funds/savings.  how many americans will not be able to buy a home, find a job, send their kid to college??

while you are concerned about a book or killing an unwanted baby?



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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:34:39 AM   
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i made that statemant and i should not have because you and others took it out of context when i was trying to make a point.

of course no matter what i post, i am wrong according to many here.

IMO 


...what context? In that same thread you stated that a politicans religion was not something that ought to be used as a stick to beat them up with........and you made that on the same page that you posted that lie about Obama's religion. Not only are you a hypocrite, you're not a very bright hypocrite.
There are real issues in the US election. However your rabid defence of McCain/Palin combined with your rabid attacks on Obama/Biden mark you as someone who made their mind up some time ago. Facts be damned. Reasonable discourse be damned. There are posters on these fora that support the same politicians you do.....and even some of those have condemned your attempt to suggest Obama was a muslim. You ought to be ashamed.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:40:06 AM   
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while you are concerned about a book or killing an unwanted baby?



No, I'm concerned about those people who are trying to tell the rest of us how to live our lives getting to what can arguably be described as one of the highest office on the planet - and Palin is one of these people. (I won't bother with your inflammatory 'baby killing' rhetoric.) You may be oblivious to it, but a lot of people do not like what she stands for - and for good reason.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:42:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		the poster before i posted the statement about obama had stated that palin is a extreme right wing christian that would impose her religion on everyone.  i was trying to make a point when i made the muslim statement.  obviously i was incorrect and accepted the condemning remarks made toward my statement.  unfortunately i am human as are you and everyone else here.  you came into the thread yesterday in the middle of it, just as you have today.  seems to me you are doing a little trolling urself.
i have nothing against you or anyone here.  i have an opinion and i have decided who i will vote for.  i do agree or find myself leaning more toward the republican ticket, but neither a dem or a reb will receive my vote nov 4th. 

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:42:20 AM   
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while you are concerned about a book or killing an unwanted baby?

You just don't get it.  You're missing the point, entirely.

What concerns me is putting people into power who want to reduce the rights of the people in order to make the world come more into line with their own personal belief systems.  The fact that this is looked upon as such a trivial matter to you is frightening.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:44:26 AM   
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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:49:27 AM   
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i have done alot of reading these past couple of months.  i have the same concerns you have.  i believe that the federal government should not regulate nor should they take away rights or give rights.  i do find myself siding with the rep ticket alot of times, but that is just me.  i find both the reps & dems want big government.  i do not believe in big government.  big government will always infringe on someones rights, just like the abortion issue.  they give the woman the right to choose, but what about the little life that has no voice?


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:50:11 AM   
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we all have a right to opinions

Your actions contradict this statement.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:52:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		how because i am here debating this issue with you?

you have a right to post here and so do i. 

believe me, before i sat down and looked at the bigger picture, i was stupid and ignorant about all of the issues

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 10:58:24 AM   
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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:00:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		i stand corrected....just as the mod reminded me earlier today

i should have stated i have the right to my opinion

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:09:59 AM   
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as i posted before, part of my job is acting as an advocate for rape victims.  i do not work in wasilla, alaska, but i do know that this issue is a nationwide problem and over 8 years old!  back then almost all cities & states were working toward passing a compensation bill for all crime victims.  my state finally created 2 programs, 1 for victims of crime and the other solely for victims of rape.  both programs compensated the victims for ALL expenses and the rape victim program pays all medical expenses including rape kits.  my county has a SART (Sexual Assault Response Team) that works with the victim to cover the cost of the investigation/rape kit.  but this is only done if the victim reports the rape to the police.  so if she does not report the crime, she pays for her rape kit and all other medical expenses.  this stipulation, reporting the crime to the police, is in the state & federal bills.

I find the idea that you are a rape counselor very odd. I've done a lot of volunteering at women's shelters and dealt with a lot of rape counselors. None were anti choice. Do you counsel rape victims to have their rapists child if they become pregnant? Do you volunteer for a solely anti choice rape counseling group or is your organization neutral on the subject?

As to your claims about victim compensation programs, one of the links doesn't address the issue at all, one is to a newspaper article about the Alaska bill that shows quite clearly the heinous behavior of Palin's police chief and one says exactly the point I've already made. That is that medical expenses are covered not evidence gathering.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:11:53 AM   
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how because i am here debating this issue with you?

You're not debating any issue with me.  Repeatedly ignoring the truth and trumpeting that which you know is false, or a least should know is false, is not what any reasonable person would call debating.  Neither are your repeated attempts to derail this thread, which we should let folks get back to.

Perhaps you should start a new thread about what you believe the "important" issues of the election are?

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:17:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am an advocate for rape victims, not a counselor.  i am pro-life in my heart.  but in my job i am objective.  it is not my place to make the decision for a victim.
the link i supplied was an article that states knowles signed a victim's right bill in alaska, i think.  that is the article i meant to refer to, because it had the nurse in texas quote on it.  i intended to also post the link to the SART in alaska.  SART like in most states as in my state, pays for the rape kit & SANE exam if the victim reports the crime to the police. 

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:23:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		this thread is about Palin and why she is such an awful person.  i have supported my opinion of Palin by stating that her politics and record should be the reason to vote or not vote for her.  this thread title like many others was based on a partial untruth which is used as a scare tactic.  that is what my statements here have been.  i posted a thread with a not so popular title and i was called out on it.  fair is fair.  IMO

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:26:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		when i posted here in response to the thread title i recieved the following intelligent response. 

"Palin's a book banning, moose murdering, anti choice, ignorant shrill voiced fanatic  ."



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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:29:10 AM   
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no victim here though....just my opinion

as i stated before we all have a right to our opinion

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:32:48 AM   
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when i posted here in response to the thread title i recieved the following intelligent response. 

"Palin's a book banning, moose murdering, anti choice, ignorant shrill voiced fanatic  ."

No it wasn't.  That was posted in response to your lie about the Snopes article refuting the claim that Palin was asking how to ban books.

And you're still trying to derail the thread.  Let it go.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/18/2008 11:33:36 AM   
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this thread is about Palin and why she is such an awful person. 



No, it isn't - the thread may have turned into one at times, because, well, that's what politicians are there for, to be figures of fun for us mere mortals (if we can't laugh at them, what's left for us to enjoy in life ), but it isn't about why Palin is such a horrible person. That's worthy of an entirely new thread, but I doubt you'd enjoy it very much.

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