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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 7:21:26 PM   
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The University of Maryland's in state law school tuition is now: $21K a year.

Out of state students would be whacked for $32K a year.

The best schools cost a lot of money.

Education costs have skyrocketed, and the middle class is getting killed by them.

Ok, so because we can't all afford law school we're uneducated???????


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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 7:24:09 PM   
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BTW: The original essay in this thread was not about fixing past social wrongs or making white people feel guilty -- it was about double standards and slanted perceptions. I'm sure everyone here would agree that those persist and influence the world we live in.


The original was most certainly written to make white people feel guilty.  It was essentially, "See those mean white Republican get a free pass....But because of us mean, racist whites a black woman in the same shoes would have been crucified." 

The enite article is bullshit.  It's the classic Leftist strategy of throwing the race card down to further an agenda when racism isn't even part of the equation.  It's a racist article in and of itself, because it seeks to divide people on race.  It's the bread and butter of the Democratic party. 

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RE: White Privilege - 9/19/2008 9:08:45 PM   
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BTW: The original essay in this thread was not about fixing past social wrongs or making white people feel guilty -- it was about double standards and slanted perceptions. I'm sure everyone here would agree that those persist and influence the world we live in.


The original was most certainly written to make white people feel guilty.  It was essentially, "See those mean white Republican get a free pass....But because of us mean, racist whites a black woman in the same shoes would have been crucified." 

The enite article is bullshit.  It's the classic Leftist strategy of throwing the race card down to further an agenda when racism isn't even part of the equation.  It's a racist article in and of itself, because it seeks to divide people on race.  It's the bread and butter of the Democratic party. 


But that's what Leftists do, it's the order of things.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 9:09:57 AM   
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To say no one is forced to do anything, is an excuse of the privileged and the haves.


Meat if you've ever been to America, you've obviously never been to a ghetto or anywhere where poor people live.  We are a highly mobile society.  It's not that difficult to pull up roots and go somewhere else.  The poor people who rely on the government to pull them out of poverty, stay in poverty.  Yes, it's mostly their fault.  Some of them are lazy, some of them have addiction issues, and some of them are just no damn good.  I don't care if they're black, white, yellow, or red.  I have seen sorry, good for nothing people of every racial stripe. 




According to the 2006 OCED report on social mobility, the USA has the worst social mobility of all developed countries. Britain has the second worst and is just a head of the US. The countries with the most social mobility according to the report are north European social democracies.


Give me a break!  North European social democracies, postage sized countires like Denmark or Sweden, or Scandanavia...countries where everyone is Dane or Swede and probably related.  There are more people in Los Angeles than in Norway and Sweden combined!  If Americans aren't moving around as much as Europeans it's probably because most are happy where they are... Your numbers are probably correct but inconsequentioal.




Er um...I think you are missing the point corysub, we aren't talking about having a passport and going on a vacation, we are talking about moving out of poverty and up the social ladder. There is nothing wrong with people being happy where they live, you don't need to move to have social mobility. For the record, Europe has a market of 500,000,000. The old EU which is around 350,000,000 of which what can be described as social democracies making up around 250,000,000.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 9:15:16 AM   
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A friend in Ireland told me that; "Dublin is black with Eastern Europeans!"

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 9:56:31 AM   
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Meat, and the only way to get upward mobility in the new E.U. for Eastern Europeans is to move to Western Europe.
A friend in Ireland told me that; "Dublin is black with Eastern Europeans!"


That's the whole point of the single martket. Ireland has done well out of the EU and now its the turn of the new members in the east.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 12:36:37 PM   
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I don't understand why people think White Privilege is something new. It has been around for centuries. What I am surprised is that White people deny that it even exist. I know it exist. Just like Rich people have privilege so do people of certain races- and White America is especially special in that category.

Personally, I read the article and didn't care for its point about White America especially since  it was a poor slight on this election. White Privilege is way more deeper than Palin or Republicans. What I would have liked to see is some documentation, history, and references to what White Privilege is really about. Make certain individuals become introspective and think "hmmm damn maybe they have something here." All I read was anger.



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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 2:40:22 PM   
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What I would have liked to see is some documentation, history, and references to what White Privilege is really about. Make certain individuals become introspective and think "hmmm damn maybe they have something here." All I read was anger.



Just read the history of the west, from the first voyages of discovery followed by the merchant adventurers to the exploitation, subjugation and enslavement of people. Patriotism and racism was used as a way of discrediting those people who the British capitalists accused of 'going native' ie. treating other peoples as fellow human beings. Unfortunately in this struggle the capitalists won and Europeans lost their soul. From there on in, people with darker skins were less human and less worthy than people with lighter skins. Many people on the right like to conveniently think the west got rich through sweat and graft. It got rich through slavery and the theft and exploitation of other people's resources while controling world markets and protecting its own markets. The west still protects its own markets while claiming it believes in free markets. As China and India get more powerful and loosen the grip of the west on world markets, just watch both races being demonized in the west. We have absorbed racism into our culture and now no longer know how to deal with other races we are in competition with other than by accusing them of being less than human, uncivilized and corrupt. If the west would look in the mirror it would see who is uncivilized and corrupt. Who has and who is sending their troops round the world imposing their values on everyone else? First the European empires, then the American empire. Why should we treat people with dark skins in our countries any better than we would treat them in their own country?

Before people say innovation and the industrial revolution got the west rich, the west needed overseas markets to feed the industrial revolution.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 5:16:06 PM   
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So, given that, I think I have the earned to say that anyone who pisses and moans about how "hard" it is, because of what part of society they were "born" into is a little bitch.

Edited to Add : Oh yeah and White Privilege is bullshit.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 5:40:49 PM   
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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 6:22:18 PM   
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Anyone who thinks it isn't easier to be white in America as opposed to black is being disingenuous

And.... I am a white guy and whitey has been keepin me down too.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 8:22:33 PM   
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We have absorbed racism into our culture


Well, maybe you should un-absorb it, then.

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Who has and who is sending their troops round the world imposing their values on everyone else?


Who has? Pretty much every culture with the resources to do so. The Persians, Mongols, Turks, Japanese... oh, sorry, you only wanted pasty-white folks, didn't you? Hell, Shaka of the Zulus tore up a whole bunch of Africa, but since the Europeans had boomstick technology and he didn't, that was as far as he went... It wasn't any deep abiding respect of the white man that led him to appease the Brits.

Yeah, everything would be just fine if it weren't for those damned Westerners... just ask the Rwandans, or the Kurds. Zimbabwe is a paradise ever since they shed those pesky British. It is all my (American of European descent... German, Polish, and Czech, all the homogenous "West") fault that things are unjust in the world.

Feh.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 8:22:55 PM   
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Popeye walk into a convienace store and arouse no suspicion from the proprietor...now do so as a young black male...you have recieved the benifits of white privilege your whole life(as have I )whether or not you wish to acknowledge it...better housing better schools ,easier and more readilly accesible credit...deny all you want ,but in this country (the only experience I can speak to)it is still better to be born white and poor than black and poor...those born rich of any color have lived an experience much different than mine!


Mike, why do young black males arouse suspicion from convenient store clerks or cabbies for that matter?  You're not a racist if you notice who's robbing people.  It reminds me of a story Jesse Jackson told once about being scared to death when he was walking down a street alone at night.  He heard people walking behind him.  When he turned he felt relieved that they were white.  Why do you think that is?

You can't tell me for one minute that you don't think twice about going to the ATM machine at night when you see a group of young black males in the parking lot. 


There were many cases of whites killing. raping, firebombing blacks during the civil rights era. What i find funny is many times the white cops were involved in the activities. And often when they were not they helped cover up. All these nice upstanding pillars of the comunuty getting away with crimes like these simply because they were white. Being that a whole lot of them were never named, charged or anything do you think jessie was that smart to be relieved they were white? I wonder if maybe any of you have some of them in your family? Do you know?

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 8:51:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Joe Louis  when he was champion of the world, in much of America he would not be served a meal nor allowed to stay the night. He beat Max schmeling for his country who for the large part thought he was less than them.  I see race as an issue that will likely always be an issue for this country. In large part because there those in this two party system that like it thaat way. As long as we are pointing the fingers at each other we won't be pointing them at them. The media does it's work well. It's not always truth that sways people. Sometimes it's perception. And sometimes it's lies that appear true. Here is a nice article about race and boxing. http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=5659&more=1 

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 9:14:15 PM   
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There were many cases of whites killing. raping, firebombing blacks during the civil rights era. What i find funny is many times the white cops were involved in the activities. And often when they were not they helped cover up. All these nice upstanding pillars of the comunuty getting away with crimes like these simply because they were white. Being that a whole lot of them were never named, charged or anything do you think jessie was that smart to be relieved they were white? I wonder if maybe any of you have some of them in your family? Do you know?


Yes I do know.  My father's side of the family are all from West Virginia.  It's a state with very few blacks.  My grandfather was a foreman for a natural gas corporation, and he was the president of his union in later years.  The union never denied black gas workers membership.  My grandmother was an assistant at a doctor's office.  Both of their parents were farmers and coal miners.  No police officers or members of groups like the Klan (unlike Robert Byrd, the darling of the Democratic Party.)

My mother's side of the family were all from Georgia.  My grandfather drove a cab when he came back from WWII.  He later became a long distance trucker.  He never was a member of the Klan or the white citizen's councils.  My grandmother worked at a textile mill.  Both of them hated the Klan, and I was raised with the notion that only ignorant, white trash used racial slurs or thought negatively of any race.  So yes I know where I came from. 

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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 9:27:24 PM   
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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 10:08:49 PM   
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I wonder if maybe any of you have some of them in your family? Do you know?

Well I do....
 
I went to a special high school. It was part of the public school system, but only students with the best academic records received an invitation to attend. Because it drew from every city neighborhood, it had a student body that was about as varied as you could get, nothing at all like most of the neighborhood high schools. But we learned to mix. And in the process, we came to refer to each other by the same derogatory names that existed in the culture. Only we did it humorously, with a grin, as brothers. Maybe you know what I mean.
 
Now, my father was a United States Marine who served in the Pacific Theater during WWII, and one day he overheard me use one of those words. When he wanted to, my father could use a tone of voice which, while it wasn't unkind, nevertheless conveyed in no uncertain terms that my job at that moment was to listen and listen good, and get what I was being told. He took me aside and told me how, in combat, his life had been saved over and over again by other Marines, white, black, latino, you name it, who took an incoming round, or a mortar burst, or threw themselves on a grenade, to save their buddies. And he made it clear to me in unforgettable to this day terms that if there were no (and he ticked off the list of derogatory names) in this world, he wouldn't be alive. It wasn't hard to do the math. I wouldn't be either. And I know for a fact that I'm not the only one of those "white people" out there who was raised like that.
 
Folks who can't get it through their thick fucking heads that there are no such things as "whites" or "blacks" or anything else of the sort, who can't seem to grasp that we're all just people, all different, all the same, are not the paragons of virtue and reform that they are so insufferably pleased to imagine themselves as being. They're just another fucking part of the problem.
 
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RE: White Privilege - 9/20/2008 11:02:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yea i have heard the same from a lot of ex millitary. I guess when your ass is on the line you tend to put all the bullshit aside. Yea i can understand the name calling. I have worked at some places where it was just a bunch of guys working together. You all knew each other. You called each other every name in the book. But it wasn't done to hurt each other. And those jobs were some of the ones i liked the most. People are people. All just as shitty as the others.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/21/2008 6:23:11 AM   
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What pisses me off about shit like this is that someone picks what is, in reality, a priveledged family to begin with and somehow pulls everyone who has pale skin in the same wrapper. It's bullshit. You have a piece that targets republicans and palin, titled White Privelege. Why not make it, Palin Privelege if you want the bullet you're trying to shoot to hit the bulls eye? Or even RNC privelege?



Agreed.

Palin has numerous things working against her.  Despite that, she was chosen to be McCain's VP pick.

You can believe either that the GOP didn't properly vet her or that they did and decided that her positives outweighed her negatives.

I don't think that her race played any role.  However, if she had been a single mother, I think that the GOP would have dropped her from consideration immediately.




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RE: White Privilege - 9/21/2008 8:15:31 AM   
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We have absorbed racism into our culture


Well, maybe you should un-absorb it, then.



Hmm. People who don't want to face the truth always avoid the real issue or pretends one doesn't exist even when there is endless proof that an issue exists.


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Who has? Pretty much every culture with the resources to do so. The Persians, Mongols, Turks, Japanese... oh, sorry, you only wanted pasty-white folks, didn't you? Hell, Shaka of the Zulus tore up a whole bunch of Africa, but since the Europeans had boomstick technology and he didn't, that was as far as he went... It wasn't any deep abiding respect of the white man that led him to appease the Brits.
Yeah, everything would be just fine if it weren't for those damned Westerners... just ask the Rwandans, or the Kurds. Zimbabwe is a paradise ever since they shed those pesky British. It is all my (American of European descent... German, Polish, and Czech, all the homogenous "West") fault that things are unjust in the world.

Feh.



The US pretends to believe in justice and civilized values. Thanks for debunking that naive idea.

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