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Slave owners applied your argument at one time. I doubt there are many people around prepared to say the slave owners were right and the reformers were wrong.

MC - That ridiculous statement should discount your arguments for everyone; but I'm afraid it won't. Then again as is standard procedure coming from your argument to not respond but to accuse. It indicates how shallow your arguments have to be in order to take that position.

There is no slavery, there is choice. I refuse and consider your position the most vial form of racial prejudice. I don't apply racist or economic bias to a person's problems as you do. You have such an ego that your, your standard must be applied to the people you deem are in need of help. You enable them to continue to fail because you see them as too weak to accomplish anything without your assistance. If anything - that attitude in in parallel with the slave owners you reference.

I see all people capable of doing anything they like.

Which is the 'slave holder' mentality? Mine, or yours which sees people incapable and wants to further their reliance on you and your ideal of what's best for them, by implementing social engineering programs directed toward them because you know better?

You represent the rationalized position of a slave owner who deemed it necessary to manage the lives of other people because they weren't capable of doing so for themselves.

You mentioned economics, I didn't. I have simply been arguing for the equal treatment of people and all the evidence points to the fact people aren't treated equally but prejudice still undermines many blacks. However, the argument for the equal treatment of people has always been an anathema to those who see equal treatment as a danger to their economic position by the haves ever since the age of enlightenment. I have never argued for special treatment of blacks but for equal treatment, something they don't have.

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You mentioned economics, I didn't. I have simply been arguing for the equal treatment of people and all the evidence points to the fact people aren't treated equally but prejudice still undermines many blacks. However, the argument for the equal treatment of people has always been an anathema to those who see equal treatment as a danger to their economic position by the haves ever since the age of enlightenment. I have never argued for special treatment of blacks but for equal treatment, something they don't have.

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You mentioned economics, I didn't. I have simply been arguing for the equal treatment of people and all the evidence points to the fact people aren't treated equally but prejudice still undermines many blacks. However, the argument for the equal treatment of people has always been an anathema to those who see equal treatment as a danger to their economic position by the haves ever since the age of enlightenment. I have never argued for special treatment of blacks but for equal treatment, something they don't have.

If economics is not the baseline you want to compare against, what is your definition of equal treatment?  Education?  Oppurtunity?

It is disturbing that you see us Americans as clueless, brainwashed, bigoted, backwards, warmongers (a combination of your various observations about us in various threads).

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A nice justification for bigotry and prejudice, all nicely wrapped up in one handy paragraph. Fucking disturbing.

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Don't you just love the arrogance of these white people who presume to know and to judge what it is like to live through the black experience in our society? We all have our crosses to bear, but how many American black people ended up nailed to a burning one not so long ago  ? And how can a white person reasonably argue that they know what it's like to have this kind of background?

This isn't about living in the past and not letting go. This is about being aware of history in order to move on. The facts are the facts, and the whining that prejudice and bigotry don't exist and aren't aimed specifically at certain categories of the population is delusional - or a plain lie.

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After reading for months that affirmative action was a bad thing, it's interesting to read that people deliberately engage in its opposite. I hope the affirmative action bashers are taking note.

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You mentioned economics, I didn't. I have simply been arguing for the equal treatment of people and all the evidence points to the fact people aren't treated equally but prejudice still undermines many blacks. However, the argument for the equal treatment of people has always been an anathema to those who see equal treatment as a danger to their economic position by the haves ever since the age of enlightenment. I have never argued for special treatment of blacks but for equal treatment, something they don't have.

If economics is not the baseline you want to compare against, what is your definition of equal treatment?  Education?  Oppurtunity?

It is disturbing that you see us Americans as clueless, brainwashed, bigoted, backwards, warmongers (a combination of your various observations about us in various threads).

If you read this thread you would have read that I said racism was a western problem not an American problem.

The baseline for justice is equal education, healthcare and opportunity. What someone does with that is personal choice.

I never said Americans are clueless, brainwashed and bigoted, I said Republicans tend to be. ie. Palin et al.

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After reading for months that affirmative action was a bad thing, it's interesting to read that people deliberately engage in its opposite. I hope the affirmative action bashers are taking note.

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Don't you just love the arrogance of these white people who presume to know and to judge what it is like to live through the black experience in our society? We all have our crosses to bear, but how many American black people ended up nailed to a burning one not so long ago  ? And how can a white person reasonably argue that they know what it's like to have this kind of background?

This isn't about living in the past and not letting go. This is about being aware of history in order to move on. The facts are the facts, and the whining that prejudice and bigotry don't exist and aren't aimed specifically at certain categories of the population is delusional - or a plain lie.

Are you black? I am, almost as much as Senator Obama; albeit a generation or two more distant.

BTW - How many American black people ended up nailed to a burning one not so long ago? Do you ever tire of putting out ridiculous statements without substantiation? First the cost of education and now recent burning blacks?

Your racial bias, bigotry, and prejudice insures that will continue for a long time. Your positions of rationalizing prejudice to try and make up for history are a main part of the problem. How far back does your bias project? Should the indentured Irish be included in AA/eeo? How about the forced labored Chinese? Selective application of morality is bias and prejudice.

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Are you making a stint at revisionism as well, Popeye?

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Are you making a stint at revisionism as well, Popeye?

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What does Clinton have to do with African American history?

PS: just saw your post, Thadius. I still don't see the relevance, unless someone is trying to trivialise terribly painful historical facts.

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The man crowned as America's first black president for his unprecedented personal connection to the African-American community has abdicated the throne.