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White Privilege - 9/18/2008 5:41:52 PM   
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Here's a contemporary essay on the subject. I found it pretty poignant.

(Some points were better than others.)
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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 7:05:15 PM   
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Here's a contemporary essay on the subject. I found it pretty poignant.

(Some points were better than others.)


For some reason, I have the urge to lay my head to the right side, ala Kenny Brozlowski and say, "Really?"

Call me crazy, but it sounds to me like this is nothing more than a bonafide "whaaaa" piece.  Or is that white priviledge talking?

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 7:36:03 PM   
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Sounds to me like Mr. Tim Wise has some real guilt trip issues.  Don't know what caused it but he could use some psychological help.  On the other hand, he may be too far gone for any hope of recovery.

Possibly someone should send him the information here on another thread about a Kenyan witch doctor that helped Sarah Palin.  Maybe this fellow can help Tim as well.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 7:38:08 PM   
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Call me crazy, but it sounds to me like this is nothing more than a bonafide "whaaaa" piece.  Or is that white priviledge talking?



          I don't think you're crazy.  One of the silver linings of an Obama administration would be the ability to tell those who blame their personal failures on rascism to STFU.  "We have a black President, what the hell are you talking about???"

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 7:42:44 PM   
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I found it pretty lacking in periods. Somebody please introduce that man to the wonderful new invention known as a sentence that's less than a paragraph long.

And if you're going all the way down to a candidate's running mate's, teenage daughter's, boyfriend to find something to bitch about... you need a real job.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 7:59:28 PM   
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Its about perception.

>White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.<

He raises a good point.

>White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.<

I would classify this more as Republican affirmative action. (That she's now the VP nominee.)

>White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”
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Well, Sanity does keep insisting Palin has more experience than Obama. I'm not sure, however, that we should draw racial stereotypes from bad, laughable political propaganda.

>White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.
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The sexist card, here, is just a cynical Republican play. They'll do anything for political advantage.

>White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.
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Jon Stewart had this hypocrisy pegged months ago.

A lot of which he sees through the racial lens is probably more refracted through the political lens.

And o poor heretic, its not about guilt --- not really --- its about inconsistencies. The question is, how can such inconsistencies be explained?




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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 8:15:41 PM   
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Its about perception.

It sure is. The greatest of all white privileges these days seems to be the privilege of getting trashed six ways from Sunday for anything and everything bad that has ever happened to non-whites somewhere in the world, and having any defense you raise entered into evidence as proof of exactly the sort of attitude that caused it.
 
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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 8:28:48 PM   
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Its about perception.

It sure is. The greatest of all white privileges these days seems to be the privilege of getting trashed six ways from Sunday for anything and everything bad that has ever happened to non-whites somewhere in the world, and having any defense you raise entered into evidence as proof of exactly the sort of attitude that caused it.
 
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And none of the criticism is warrented .Should a history of subjugation and exploitation be totally ignored or is it the volume of the trashing that you object too?

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 8:37:45 PM   
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Its about perception.

It sure is. The greatest of all white privileges these days seems to be the privilege of getting trashed six ways from Sunday for anything and everything bad that has ever happened to non-whites somewhere in the world, and having any defense you raise entered into evidence as proof of exactly the sort of attitude that caused it.
 
K.
 
And none of the criticism is warrented .Should a history of subjugation and exploitation be totally ignored or is it the volume of the trashing that you object too?


Show me examples of where I subjugated and exploited anyone, and I'll listen to them trash me with a suitably apologetic expression on my face.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 8:40:56 PM   
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Its about perception.

It sure is. The greatest of all white privileges these days seems to be the privilege of getting trashed six ways from Sunday for anything and everything bad that has ever happened to non-whites somewhere in the world, and having any defense you raise entered into evidence as proof of exactly the sort of attitude that caused it.
 
K.
 
And none of the criticism is warrented .Should a history of subjugation and exploitation be totally ignored or is it the volume of the trashing that you object too?


Show me examples of where I subjugated and exploited anyone, and I'll listen to them trash me with a suitably apologetic expression on my face.

So you are taking this personally.....I thought the discussion was white privilege,you have just moved it to Tom,Dick and Harry priviledge.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 9:07:32 PM   
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Tough concept for the pure of heart, but skin color has nothing to do with what's inside it.

You ask, "should a history of subjugation and exploitation be totally ignored?" But whites also poured buckets of their sons' blood into this good Earth to put an end to slavery in the US, and have sacrificed themselves in the hundreds of thousands to fight equally repugnant injustices elsewhere in the world.
 
How can you, how can anybody, righteously classify any group solely by their skin color?

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 9:19:11 PM   
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fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor


Obama fought for all this, huh?  Women got the right to vote in 1920.  Civil rights?  Well I think most of that got handled prior to Obama being born.  Child labor?  How has Obama fought to end that?  We have laws against it, and have had them for a great deal of time. 

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The sexist card, here, is just a cynical Republican play. They'll do anything for political advantage. 


Yeah the Democrats never play this card.    ABORTION.  It's managed to survive under 5 Republican presidents.  It's been upheld several times under a conservative Supreme Court.  But the Democrats use it as a dividing issue among women.  All politicians will do anything for an advantage, no matter the party. 

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 9:22:55 PM   
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dont get me wrong racism still exsists but lets face it the only colour that really counts is green!

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 9:39:20 PM   
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Well Kirata I guess it is helpful when one chooses to look at only one side of the leger,shall I list chapter and verse the examples of White European imperialism...or is it just easier to cite your examples.And let me ask you one other thing,If it was  the sons of white who poured buckets of blood into the good earth to end slavery.whose sons were trying to hold those chains in place?

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 9:57:10 PM   
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Its about perception.

It sure is. The greatest of all white privileges these days seems to be the privilege of getting trashed six ways from Sunday for anything and everything bad that has ever happened to non-whites somewhere in the world, and having any defense you raise entered into evidence as proof of exactly the sort of attitude that caused it.
 
K.
 


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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 10:02:21 PM   
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Well Kirata I guess it is helpful when one chooses to look at only one side of the leger... If it was  the sons of white who poured buckets of blood into the good earth to end slavery.whose sons were trying to hold those chains in place?

You were the one who cited only one side of the ledger, bud. I just pointed out that there's another side. And what do you mean, "if" it was?
 
When I hear someone start talking about "whites" or "blacks" or "jews" or whatever, it's usually a good bet that nothing fruitful is going to follow.
 
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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 10:03:02 PM   
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Reading that article just made me sigh and shake my head.  When are people going to get a grip and understand the idea of "white privilege" is nonsense?  All the things he mentioned aren't ok or overlooked because of race.  It's because the people doing them have money, power and/or influence and connections.  There are too many poor, powerless white folks to insist there's some sort of universal "white privilege."  I call bullshit..............luci

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 10:30:18 PM   
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Well Kirata I guess it is helpful when one chooses to look at only one side of the leger... If it was  the sons of white who poured buckets of blood into the good earth to end slavery.whose sons were trying to hold those chains in place?

You were the one who cited only one side of the ledger, bud. I just pointed out that there's another side. And what do you mean, "if" it was?
 
When I hear someone start talking about "whites" or "blacks" or "jews" or whatever, it's usually a good bet that nothing fruitful is going to follow.
 
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So you felt you had to prove your hypothesis by posting that 1st piece .In it you  complained about all the trashing white people take "six ways from sunday"has that caused you much grief in your life?You could answer my question though, when all those buckets of blood were being spilled was not one of the white sides striving to keep those chains of bondage in place...You picked a really shitty example of white largesse "bud".

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 11:04:28 PM   
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The essay raises some good points, cloudboy.  I would argue that not just race plays into the dynamic of privelege but also class, wealth, ownership of property, money, social status and position.  America is not as class based as many other societies but we do have a class structure.

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RE: White Privilege - 9/18/2008 11:24:33 PM   
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I hate to throw facts in the way of "woe is me" whining by white people but please examine this study and then try and argue there is no such thing as white privilege
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=428367

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