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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/22/2008 7:20:22 AM   
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I like that there is such a wide variance in the opinions on this post. As for the op. If the moderator did not have a huge bug zapper in her hand I would tell you what I think. People calm down. No need to get this worked up over a post.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/22/2008 1:34:17 PM   
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Posted by mistake.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/22/2008 1:57:59 PM   
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 "Reading between the lines" (as both Celeste and myself did) is probably why responding opinions are so diverse - everything is subject to individual interpretation....  Another concept foreign to you?
 
 
Your more than welcome to make whatever opinions you want. I'm not stopping you. I don't agree with the practice of making extrapolated assumptions that usually go along the lines of the worst case scenario/lowest common denominator. I consider it to be balance, because experience of posting here has shown that 90% of the people who give advice will go that route and I have this annoying need to go left when everyone else goes right by pointing out "Hey...it could be something else..."

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Thing is, Celeste is too often the grounded voice of reason and common sense around here and your attack on her seemed born of transparent ego frenzy 


What attack was that, Focus? Asking a question regarding a part of her post that referenced things that, from what I saw, not anywhere mentioned? If you can point to me the part I missed where "playing with other people whenever he wanted" was mentioned, I will gladly retract my orginal statement and apologize to your crush.

Perhaps if you mentioned how awesome your favorite rugby team was and I was to inquire in on the the ratio of games they had won or lost, you would consider this to be a hostile personal attack on your beloved team.

If merely asking questions is enough to stir up a personal insecurity that results in the perception of an "attack" on you or another, then perhaps I should avoid saying "How was your day, Focus? in any future communication between us in order to avoid upsetting your delicate sensibilities.

After baring witness to your posting history of responding to any form of disagreement of opinion with a barrage of personal attacks, I do realize how delicate they are and will do my best not to disturb them.

Back to the case at hand though, when someone begins referencing "facts" about a person that may or may not be true, I tend to kind of see that as attempting to fit someone into a stereotype created in their own mind.

Where the logic and reason in that is, I don't know. I'm sure I will find out in your next post when you inform me by following your usual predictable pattern of insulting my mother, brother, sister, pet dog, self esteem, maturity level, age, intelligence, ego, or tuna sandwich I ate for lunch over the more domly choice of chicken salad.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/22/2008 2:44:41 PM   
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If he won't admit to owning you, find a new owner. He should be proud of you.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 3:00:18 AM   
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 "Reading between the lines" (as both Celeste and myself did) is probably why responding opinions are so diverse - everything is subject to individual interpretation....  Another concept foreign to you?
 
 
Your more than welcome to make whatever opinions you want. I'm not stopping you. I don't agree with the practice of making extrapolated assumptions that usually go along the lines of the worst case scenario/lowest common denominator. I consider it to be balance, because experience of posting here has shown that 90% of the people who give advice will go that route and I have this annoying need to go left when everyone else goes right by pointing out "Hey...it could be something else..."

Re Forum topics involving relationship difficulties; the problem with your "balance" theory vs "worst case scenario/lowest common denominator" is that those whose relationships are all hunky-dorey generally aren't here asking for advice or input.... 
 
And for my own attempt at plucking stats out of thin air, I'd say 90% of those relationship problems are usually sourced at either a passive or abusive dom.  Me, I call what I see - and it usually ends with "quack, quack"; agreed....  Turning left on a premise that most turned right may work for you but on that, maybe someone orta be questioning your intelligence and maturity occasionally; esp any sub looking to you to lead...!
 
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Thing is, Celeste is too often the grounded voice of reason and common sense around here and your attack on her seemed born of transparent ego frenzy 

What attack was that, Focus? Asking a question regarding a part of her post that referenced things that, from what I saw, not anywhere mentioned? If you can point to me the part I missed where "playing with other people whenever he wanted" was mentioned, I will gladly retract my orginal statement and apologize to your crush.

You "questioned" Celeste in a manner of teacher conducting class.  Your real question was of her insight and integrity - that qualifies as an attack. 
 
I can point out where I mentioned a concept of "reading between the lines" - something you still haven't grasped, apparently.  I speculated sex and oral myself; the latter since confirmed by the OP and the former certainly implied.  But no, I don't think the OP actually mentioned either before I did.  Let's just write it off as a lucky(?) guess based on my usual "worst case scenario/lowest common denominator" methodology....

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If merely asking questions is enough to stir up a personal insecurity that results in the perception of an "attack" on you or another, then perhaps I should avoid saying "How was your day, Focus? in any future communication between us in order to avoid upsetting your delicate sensibilities.

Yes; yes, you merely asked questions as inquiring minds do - I'm wiv ya.... *yawn*

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After baring witness to your posting history of responding to any form of disagreement of opinion with a barrage of personal attacks, I do realize how delicate they are and will do my best not to disturb them.

Back to the case at hand though, when someone begins referencing "facts" about a person that may or may not be true, I tend to kind of see that as attempting to fit someone into a stereotype created in their own mind.

Where the logic and reason in that is, I don't know. I'm sure I will find out in your next post when you inform me by following your usual predictable pattern of insulting my mother, brother, sister, pet dog, self esteem, maturity level, age, intelligence, ego, or tuna sandwich I ate for lunch over the more domly choice of chicken salad.

You'd think I'd at least have the shame to remember insulting someone's mother, brother, sister, pet dog or tuna sandwich, ay?  And you say I have a "predictable pattern" of such behaviour?  This is all very troubling - you're just messin' with my mind; that's it, isn't it????
 
As for you MadRabbit, I haven't even called you CM's favourite of "dude"....  Don't recall questioning your age or intelligence, either, though I should if you think I'm really so delicate.  :-)
 
Focus. 

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 4:06:05 AM   
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I believe that even though the Master has the final say, he should care enough about your feelings to make decisions that are good for you and make you happy. If he doesnt, he doesnt really care about you. I think the OP should tell him what is troubling her about the relationship and his lack of action in her direction. Then see what his reaction is.

I did this. The relationship ended. His decision. At least he cared enough to let me go to find someone who could love me. Incrediblely, it only took less than 3 weeks and I am now with a wonderful Master . But you have to be willing to take the risk of hearing the truth and be willing to leave or have him end it. Often this ends up being the best thing. But you must risk it.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 4:18:29 AM   
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for me and mine, i tend let the actions of my partner speak louder than his words; if his actions make me happy, i stay, if they don't, we discuss it; if nothing changes, i walk...

of course, i have to take into consideration whether or not i'm being selfish in my desires as well. 

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 6:20:39 AM   
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quote:

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Re Forum topics involving relationship difficulties; the problem with your "balance" theory vs "worst case scenario/lowest common denominator" is that those whose relationships are all hunky-dorey generally aren't here asking for advice or input.... 
 

Right...but amazing enough, it might be possible that some of those problems aren't a byproduct of the same tired stereotype you interject here as wisdom.
 
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And for my own attempt at plucking stats out of thin air, I'd say 90% of those relationship problems are usually sourced at either a passive or abusive dom.  Me, I call what I see - and it usually ends with "quack, quack"; agreed....  Turning left on a premise that most turned right may work for you but on that, maybe someone orta be questioning your intelligence and maturity occasionally; esp any sub looking to you to lead...!
 

I see we have gone with attacking my dominance. A few thoughts on that. Does reducing everyone into a straw-figure stereotype that you demonetize do an adequate job of making you look like some prefect of domly perfection? Is the constant need your displaying to respond to any disagreement with personal attacks on one's character seem like the actions of a confident and mature individual?

I'm forming those responses in questions rather than statements of fact because I hate do you the injustice of harsh judgment and assumption of your motivations and intentions that you are doing everyone else.

As far as your statistics, given the inability you have displaced in these last few posts to comprehend anything beyond how you perceive it, I highly doubt that those statistics will qualify as "reliable"
 
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You "questioned" Celeste in a manner of teacher conducting class.  Your real question was of her insight and integrity - that qualifies as an attack. 

 
Your perception of a threat and your barrage of defensives and personal attacks in response to that isn't the result of my immaturity.
 
It's the result of another "i" word stemming from you called "insecure".
 
But...hey...if you keep this chivalrous "White Knight" defense of her up, you might get some of that ego stroking that you seem so jealous of and will finally get your cherry popped while basking in Internet validation.

 
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ORIGINAL: Focus50
I can point out where I mentioned a concept of "reading between the lines" - something you still haven't grasped, apparently.  I speculated sex and oral myself; the latter since confirmed by the OP and the former certainly implied.  But no, I don't think the OP actually mentioned either before I did.  Let's just write it off as a lucky(?) guess based on my usual "worst case scenario/lowest common denominator" methodology....


Look, Focus, buddy, pal....

If you find the usage of stereotypes and assumptions not based in fact to draw conclusions off of limited information without giving any thought to possible alternatives that might lie outside the scope of your small minded perception to be "wisdom", then go right ahead and use it!

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Or at least I will as I don't want to keep repeating myself for the next 12 pages...

But, given that I know "me" pretty well and know what "I" am doing pretty well, from the empirical evidence this provides me, I would suggest you consider rethinking the accuracy and validity of "your reading between the lines" as so far your insights into me as a person and my motives are really quite...off.

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Yes; yes, you merely asked questions as inquiring minds do - I'm wiv ya.... *yawn*


Okay, I'm lying. Your absolutely right. There clearly was an insult and threat intended and not merely something as byproduct of your personal insecurity, I mean...interruptation. (That's sarcasm by the way, Focus since your having difficulty with perceiving it with your enlightened and highly refined intuition as demonstrated below)

I think this one-mindedness adequately shows the flaws in presuming one's perspective to "always be right" without any due consideration to other possibilities.

Hopefully you will consider this and maybe consider adding this into your repertoire of communication skills along with perhaps viewing disagreements as an exchange of ideas instead of a battle to "always be right".

It might benefit it you in not being single into your 60's.

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You'd think I'd at least have the shame to remember insulting someone's mother, brother, sister, pet dog or tuna sandwich, ay?  And you say I have a "predictable pattern" of such behaviour?  This is all very troubling - you're just messin' with my mind; that's it, isn't it????
 
As for you MadRabbit, I haven't even called you CM's favourite of "dude"....  Don't recall questioning your age or intelligence, either, though I should if you think I'm really so delicate.  :-)
 
Focus. 


Obviously, since the concept of "sarcasm" alludes your perception, another flaw in your preferred tactic of "reading between the lines" is revealed.

If we reference the second part of this reply, we can see my observations are somewhat grounded in reality and based off empirical evidence which tends to lead credibility to my ability to "read between the lines". This is now the third post where you have included some form of character attack in our disagreement.

The difference between us though is my "reading between the lines" is based off evidence and not erroneous assumption and harsh condescending judgment masquerading as wisdom.

I think I have pretty adequately defended my opinions at this point and see no need to rehash them again for you to not "grasp" or care about. I look forward to our next little exchange of words that spawns from your need to posture and "prove" how strong willed and dominant you are.

Peace.



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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 3:05:57 PM   
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Mad Rabbit:

So sorry for questioning you. We now know that you know everything and all the rest of us are completely wrong!

I shall not question your perfect answers any more, nor shall I post anything that might not 100% agree with what you might post here.


After all, unlike all the rest of us plebes and morons, you are perfect!

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 3:06:40 PM   
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Mad Rabbit:

So sorry for questioning you. We now know that you know everything and all the rest of us are completely wrong!

I shall not question your perfect answers any more, nor shall I post anything that might not 100% agree with what you might piost here.


After all, unlike all the rest of us, you are perfect!


Thank you

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 7:09:22 PM   
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Does reducing everyone into a straw-figure stereotype that you demonetize do an adequate job of making you look like some prefect of domly perfection?


Truth be told, I didn't even know that Doms had any monetary value in the first place.
 

 
K.
 
 
 






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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 8:03:08 PM   
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i was gonna say...but i was trying to integretize myself as good ole Uncle GW is like to say....

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 8:07:17 PM   
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Ok...im no Master...but heres a thought...lets ramp it down and look at the issue at hand. (i refuse to admit to getting wet about 2 pages ago...i lub me some DomWars).
if its to be believed...we all hold our own answers in our hearts before we even can form the question. the op knows what the truth is and eventually the fear of change will become less than the pain of being neglected...and shell put her big girl panties on and get a real Dom. Heres hoping she takes the TV with her.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 8:16:03 PM   
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Does reducing everyone into a straw-figure stereotype that you demonetize do an adequate job of making you look like some prefect of domly perfection?


Truth be told, I didn't even know that Doms had any monetary value in the first place.
 

 
K.


Nice!

I sooo blame spell check for that one.

I swear I had it right the first time. Really!

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 8:23:55 PM   
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Does reducing everyone into a straw-figure stereotype that you demonetize do an adequate job of making you look like some prefect of domly perfection?


Truth be told, I didn't even know that Doms had any monetary value in the first place.
 

 
K.
 
 
 







Ah see....if we were talking financial domination... 

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 8:31:29 PM   
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Ah see....if we were talking financial domination... 


That's why I do it for free. A nickle here, a dime there, mostly two pennies...just not very lucrative for bunnies.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 8:32:25 PM   
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*waves alfalfa* 

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/23/2008 10:09:57 PM   
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... the actions of my partner speak louder than his words ...


I agree wholeheartedly.



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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/24/2008 2:52:39 AM   
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You'd think I'd at least have the shame to remember insulting someone's mother, brother, sister, pet dog or tuna sandwich, ay?  And you say I have a "predictable pattern" of such behaviour?  This is all very troubling - you're just messin' with my mind; that's it, isn't it????
 
As for you MadRabbit, I haven't even called you CM's favourite of "dude"....  Don't recall questioning your age or intelligence, either, though I should if you think I'm really so delicate.  :-)
 
Focus. 


Obviously, since the concept of "sarcasm" alludes your perception, another flaw in your preferred tactic of "reading between the lines" is revealed.


Before I back ever so cautiously out the door and barricade it behind me, I'd just like to highlight the above sentence from which you (partially) conclude I have no perception of sarcasm....  For the record, that's an example of sarcasm but it looks like I'm not the only one the concept allegedly *eludes*. ;-)
 
"Reading between the lines" is of no value if you don't read and/or understand the actual lines FIRST.  No wonder you're lost on the whole concept and have been advocating these Forums should be run akin to legal proceedings where only proven facts are admissable.  And we all know lawyers are beacons of what's right, wrong, sensible, true and just, ay?
 
MadRabbit, that's quite an emotional roller-coaster you're on and I'll try and remember that I'm the one who's allegedly defensive and the dispenser of insults.  You might find worth researching a shrink term called "transference" - or not....  <shrugs>
 
As colourful as this creative marvel of yours is, it's also just a little too creepy for me to continue sponsoring more of the same.  While I've clearly been an inspiration for your vocabulary and creative expression, you truly are showing your age, immaturity and obsessive petulence now and I "cede the field" while the gettin's good.  Maaaaate; YIKES!  lol
 
Focus.

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RE: In need of some input....(i.e. Help!) - 9/24/2008 5:20:38 AM   
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Just as a casual observer of this thread I would have to say I also try not to read between the lines.  Mostly because my mind is very creative.  Normal connections? Boring!  LOL I would have added in a 911 call to help, the caught in the act, and the requisite order of protection.  Fiction!  Much more interesting stuff.  Sometimes reading between the lines is filling it in with data that doesnt fit.
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"Reading between the lines" is of no value if you don't read and/or understand the actual lines FIRST.  No wonder you're lost on the whole concept

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