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MichMasochist -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 12:26:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessEllen

Hello all I was reading what everyone has written and decided to enter my two cents. You see I am a Pro Domme and no I am not a prositute.

The defination of prositute is
"pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)n.

One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.






Love it, you just define every ones postion that "Pro" is prostitution. Or would that be PRO-stitution. Quote: "One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose". The definition you gave clearly expresses that sex acts or sexual gratification needs not to occure to meet the definition of prostitution. And you most assuredly cannot defend your activities as being worthy. Nor as having any moral or social value.

I certainly couldn't see any persons wanting a "house of ill repute" in their neighborhood. Irrespective as to either traditional sexual services or deviant behavior.


Hugs and kisses every one




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 12:39:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MichMasochist

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessEllen

Hello all I was reading what everyone has written and decided to enter my two cents. You see I am a Pro Domme and no I am not a prositute.

The defination of prositute is
"pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)n.

One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.






Love it, you just define every ones postion that "Pro" is prostitution. Or would that be PRO-stitution. Quote: "One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose". The definition you gave clearly expresses that sex acts or sexual gratification needs not to occure to meet the definition of prostitution. And you most assuredly cannot defend your activities as being worthy. Nor as having any moral or social value.

I certainly couldn't see any persons wanting a "house of ill repute" in their neighborhood. Irrespective as to either traditional sexual services or deviant behavior.



Alrighty then! According to your attiude there is not any (BDSM) activity you may desire or may participate in that has any moral or social value. Or do you draw the line at paying for the service? If you don't have to pay for it, then is it okay?
Sorry, I am a little confused here.




MichMasochist -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 1:17:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold


quote:

ORIGINAL: MichMasochist

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessEllen

Hello all I was reading what everyone has written and decided to enter my two cents. You see I am a Pro Domme and no I am not a prositute.

The defination of prositute is
"pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)n.

One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.






Love it, you just define every ones postion that "Pro" is prostitution. Or would that be PRO-stitution. Quote: "One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose". The definition you gave clearly expresses that sex acts or sexual gratification needs not to occure to meet the definition of prostitution. And you most assuredly cannot defend your activities as being worthy. Nor as having any moral or social value.

I certainly couldn't see any persons wanting a "house of ill repute" in their neighborhood. Irrespective as to either traditional sexual services or deviant behavior.



Alrighty then! According to your attiude there is not any (BDSM) activity you may desire or may participate in that has any moral or social value. Or do you draw the line at paying for the service? If you don't have to pay for it, then is it okay?
Sorry, I am a little confused here.



It seems to me that the subject comes down to one things. The motive of the pro is purely mercenary. To clame that her interest in BDSM is anything else is purely insulting to myself or any person who can think for themselves.

Of all the women I've corresponded with, and a few with whom I've actually made "dates" with. Have always made it the topic of their primary concern. "Tribute is required!!!", "If you don't have money I will black list you!!!". "My slave boy will interveiw you and collect". (Sometimes they will make it bold type and underlined). Slave boy, right sounds like pimp, or roll the trick setup.

Yea I know certain people have told me to just keep quiet and; kiss up, play along, humor them, etc. or else they'll go postal on you. I ask why?

Admittedly I've seen a few "escorts". How come they have no trouble, or emotional problems, with acknowledging what they are and what it is they do for money?



Hugs and kisses.




MichMasochist -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 1:22:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold


quote:

ORIGINAL: MichMasochist

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessEllen

Hello all I was reading what everyone has written and decided to enter my two cents. You see I am a Pro Domme and no I am not a prositute.

The defination of prositute is
"pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)n.

One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.










Sorry, I am a little confused here.



Believe it or not I have read your post, most likely not all. However I fail to see how you could be confused. You do seem to be bright.




veronicaofML -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 2:41:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessEllen

Hello all I was reading what everyone has written and decided to enter my two cents. You see I am a Pro Domme and no I am not a prositute.

The defination of prositute is
"pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)n.

One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.

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BUT!
BUT!
not ALL pro dommes DO sex acts.
sure
SOME do.
not ALL>
but the 64,000 dollar question IS?
IF 'a' pro domme DOES do sex acts because she IS paid to...does it make her,,,a hooker or just merely....providing a service much like any other social service?


and
does it matter if she does do it?

who REALLY cares?

i myself wish prostitution WAS legal in all 50 states





GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 2:48:38 PM)

No problem. I am no longer confused.
I now have a clear understanding of your anger and resentment against these Ladies who had to have tribute in order to consider a boy.
It is unfortunate that you view everything through such a narrow lens.
But you are entitled, and I do hope you eventually find what you seek.
*Wonders to Herself how many boys would be angry at a Domina who required a cock shot or a free play session to determine "sincerity". *




veronicaofML -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 3:27:56 PM)

No problem. I am no longer confused.
I now have a clear understanding of your anger and resentment against these Ladies who had to have tribute in order to consider a boy.
It is unfortunate that you view everything through such a narrow lens.
But you are entitled, and I do hope you eventually find what you seek.
*Wonders to Herself how many boys would be angry at a Domina who required a cock shot or a free play session to determine "sincerity". *
==============

ah but Dusty
"I" already had 3 dommes demand i do in house interviews...so i had to clean for them before they would talk to me.
its just S>O>P> where "I" have been.




Jasmyn -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/10/2006 6:28:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MichMasochist
quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessEllen
Hello all I was reading what everyone has written and decided to enter my two cents. You see I am a Pro Domme and no I am not a prositute.

The defination of prositute is
"pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)n.
One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.



Love it, you just define every ones postion that "Pro" is prostitution. Or would that be PRO-stitution. Quote: "One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose". The definition you gave clearly expresses that sex acts or sexual gratification needs not to occure to meet the definition of prostitution. And you most assuredly cannot defend your activities as being worthy. Nor as having any moral or social value.


A tad wee arrogant aren't we? I operate a private dungeon, I do not do online domination, nor do I do money domination either. I have very real and authentic interactions with many many people who do deem what I do to be very worthy in their world. Know me before you judge me.

But true to form, I just knew one of you boys would jump on the second definition of prostitute and hold it up for all to see, all the while showing their ignorance at the same time. Oh well, lucky for me, I'm in NZ and probably will never have to cross paths with you or other men lamenting professional domination in real life, so whoopee for me and lucky for you.

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Of all the women I've corresponded with, and a few with whom I've actually made "dates" with. Have always made it the topic of their primary concern. "Tribute is required!!!", "If you don't have money I will black list you!!!". "My slave boy will interveiw you and collect". (Sometimes they will make it bold type and underlined). Slave boy, right sounds like pimp, or roll the trick setup.


Jesus wept where are you meeting these people? And why for the love of gawd are you even considering these women as 'Mistresses' or 'Dominas' or 'Dominatrix' or whatever title they are carrying for the week. Let me guess their like five and have a tit pic?

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Admittedly I've seen a few "escorts". How come they have no trouble, or emotional problems, with acknowledging what they are and what it is they do for money?


You are so not worthy of an answer...being a hypocrite and all. One one hand you will use an escort on the other hand you deem prostitution unworthy and appalling that no neighbourhood would want a house of ill repute in its midst.




openmindedslave -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/11/2006 5:23:34 AM)

I read earlier that a sub had to clean a doms home before play. I knew of one Mistress who demanded before play that they help her on her farm to do some work before play also. She had a disablity and needed some help. In return , she gave them ( while enjoying it herself ) what they wanted. When she tried to give what they were seeking first, some would end up complaining about no energy left , too tired , no time to do it... Now you tell me , who got used there ??? And she never asked for money of any type...just respect her wishes




seaturtle50 -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/11/2006 2:49:41 PM)

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It seems to me that the subject comes down to one things. The motive of the pro is purely mercenary. To clame that her interest in BDSM is anything else is purely insulting to myself or any person who can think for themselves.


i am a person who is perfectly capable of thinking for himself ... and so far i find only your comment insulting. i will thank you to not speak for me again.

No taxation without representation!

st50






Jasmyn -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/11/2006 3:41:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

I read earlier that a sub had to clean a doms home before play. I knew of one Mistress who demanded before play that they help her on her farm to do some work before play also. She had a disablity and needed some help. In return , she gave them ( while enjoying it herself ) what they wanted. When she tried to give what they were seeking first, some would end up complaining about no energy left , too tired , no time to do it... Now you tell me , who got used there ??? And she never asked for money of any type...just respect her wishes



Yeah, a common occurrence unfortunately. :(

For me, a guy who really has no interest in subservience and/or ongoing servitude, I'd hope would be upfront about that instead of promising the earth and just be honest that all they really want to do is get their rocks off. We're both on the same page then, I can design or deny a scene based on whether I can really be bothered 'servicing' someone who wouldn't care who was doing it, just that someone was. Luckily offline, most pro dom clients are most respectful and looking for domination, not sex, or even kinky...they need it, they crave it...and they very much respect my ability to grant it. Most want to leave my place knowing were I to click my fingers right then, they'd turn back and do whatever I wanted... extended control, some guys have called it...that wanting to feel your presence, your power, your control long after the session has ended... People tend to forget, you're not just providing a service, to have a real and authentic session requires a great deal more than picking up a whip and telling a boy to get on his knees. There's a connection and as much as it can leave you feeling empowered and uplifted, a session can be leave the dom emotionally drained on the come down. People forget this or are ignorant of it. I bet the woman you mentioned above felt very used and not particularly happy about it, each and everytime one of those guys bolted after the fact.

I emphathise with men who find nearly every women they've come across has some kind of tribute requirement...but I also wonder how much of it is brought upon themselves. Age range, reputation, real time/life experience, attitude, are they actually specific about offering something in return, or are they simply playing princess; do they themselves get out and meet people real time, or are they relying on the internet to drop the woman of their dreams into their lap? I guess what I am saying is anyone can call themselves a Dominatrix. So be wary out there guys... but don't tar every woman with the same brush.

One day I might be bothered to explain the tribute system but don't have time right now.




Real0ne -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/11/2006 4:25:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Maybe you should have gotten married younger. Now you have to go around looking for some old broad that won't take your money. Sucks to be you.
Akasha


haha you are always good for a laugh!

i was married made 75% of the money paid all the bills, bought the cars and everything else, she banked hers, when divorce time came around she cleaned out the bank accounts, like 95% of the money and left me with paying off the bills.

secondly i am quite happy, in fact i would rather be happy and single than partnered and miserable. think about that.

do tell me about trust LOLOLOL


Well, at least that explains why you are bitter, terrified of losing your money and unable to trust women. Regardless, unless you change your attitude, you probably should get used to that "single and happy" lifestyle. Without a better attitude and willingness to trust, women won't be coming around. You'll be forced to rely on your sunny disposition.

Akasha
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Having friends who are paying exorbitant child support and having experienced a similar situation re : The sell-off/redistribution of assets, I have a tad bit of empathy for you...

But on the other hand, why keep complaining about it? Why not go out and find a smart, educated, career-minded lady, who would never need your money in the first place... I PROMISE YOU... they are out there! Set it up so she does her thing with her cash and you do your thing with yours. And hell… times have changed, who needs to sign a piece of paper these days…isn’t that old fashioned?

They're not going to just show up on your door step... and you'll probably have to go through a few in order find what you want... but the bottom line is that they are out there, and it just takes a little hard work and patience to find them...

Change your thinking and stop focusing on all the trollops.

Again, Good luck.
- The Ranger


Hey man thanks but i am so far over that i barely remember it. LOL

i suppose if you call take the money and run redistribution. LOL

The only reason i brought it up was so kaska could see what a silly gurl she was being with the rediculous assumptions she always makes about not only me but many others as well. some things never change..........

you are right about child support and all that. i have been quite careful with my life in that respect and others including finding someone.

i do not remember which thread it was in but i did at one time mention that there are very few dommes that i consider remotely capable of taking control of this one, and yes i do know a couple that are capable and if the circumstances and opportunity arose i would hand them my ass on a silver platter!

So i know they are out there. and hey i am 50 years old and i dont work to hard at anything any more. well maybe a couple things that i wont get into on here :) LOLOL

i do thank you for your optimism.




UtahGoddess -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/11/2006 4:39:51 PM)


I am always impressed with the amount of hostility this topic brings out in people. Yet another thread designed to attack the Professional Dominatrix with holier than thou platitudes.

For those that practice Pro Domming....more power to you.

For those that are opposed....don't book appointments.

These threads do nothing to still the tide of submissives wanting professional Domination, and do not in any way change the minds of Pro Dommes.

My advice is to stop defending the profession and leave those on high horses alone to joust with themselves.

Ms Sandi




LindaLashes -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/11/2006 5:41:02 PM)

Domming someones wallet? Just get a job [;)]




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/12/2006 8:05:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta




I have to also note that not all submissives are allowed release.
I'm pretty its called Orgasm Denial..... If there not getting sexual gratification its definitely not prostitution.
















I like that idea.. take his presents and $$$ and deny him orgasm. Perfect!





Thank you I thought so [:D]




MichMasochist -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/12/2006 8:18:56 PM)

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A tad wee arrogant aren't we? I operate a private dungeon, I do not do online domination, nor do I do money domination either. I have very real and authentic interactions with many many people who do deem what I do to be very worthy in their world. Know me before you judge me.


Well Let's see, you don't charge then you must not be a PROdomme??? So obviously you are not a member of that group of individuals. As I understand it hun the individuals who bill themselves as PROdommes expect financial compensation. IE. a pay to play partner. If you don't collect a fee then you're obviously not a pro.

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Jesus wept where are you meeting these people? And why for the love of gawd are you even considering these women as 'Mistresses' or 'Dominas' or 'Dominatrix' or whatever title they are carrying for the week. Let me guess their like five and have a tit pic?


You really want to find them just google you'll find, you'll understand. And your perceptions of the world in which you live will be expanded. Or you will no longer think of yourself or call yourself a pro. Just go straight to maxfisch dot com. Curious, now that you mention it almost all those web pages will have "tit pics" Some will even portray the domme on her hands and knees. You'll find more than five.


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You are so not worthy of an answer...being a hypocrite and all. One one hand you will use an escort on the other hand you deem prostitution unworthy and appalling that no neighbourhood would want a house of ill repute in its midst.


All I can think to this one is... VVVRRRRROOOOM... that went over your head. I never said I had a problem with hookers, or that I had any problems with paying a pro. I reread my posts, and fail to see how you came to this conclusion. All I have ever said is that PROdommes are in the same class as prostitute in my opinion, when they either imply or expressed that they are to be paid for their services.


Hugs and kisses Jasmyn




MichMasochist -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/12/2006 8:23:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UtahGoddess


I am always impressed with the amount of hostility this topic brings out in people. Yet another thread designed to attack the Professional Dominatrix with holier than thou platitudes.

For those that practice Pro Domming....more power to you.

For those that are opposed....don't book appointments.

These threads do nothing to still the tide of submissives wanting professional Domination, and do not in any way change the minds of Pro Dommes.

My advice is to stop defending the profession and leave those on high horses alone to joust with themselves.

Ms Sandi


That's true, after all it's part of the worlds oldest bussiness.

HI- HO silver :)




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/12/2006 8:51:45 PM)

Oh My...the more I read this topic the more I have to say.

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What is a hooker? A woman who provides physical services for the sexual gratification of the client who has paid her to provide one or more specific acts.


AGAIN...not all submissive get sexual pleasure.
If its pain they crave and I whip them for money and they received pleasure from pain,no erection was aquired...that equals hooker?? Is that what your saying?

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What is a "pro" domme? A woman who provides physical services for the gratification of a client who is often aroused or sexually stimualted by one or more fetishes including physical pain, and/or discomfrot.


Why do you think its all about sex?

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Rare is the Pro dommes web sight that doesn't depict her wearing a "strap on" or expressly states her willingness to participate in providing an act of sodomy with hersilf as the actor.


Its pictured so therefore it must be used,I bet some Pros use them in Thier private D/s
relationships...I know I use it on My slave bishop.

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So to myself and others like me, any woman attaching the title, or otherwise calling herself: "Pro" or "Life stile" Is telling a prospective client that compensation for her services is expected and or required. Can only be a hooker


What are you talking about...Pro-Dom/me=hooker....ummm sure okay.
State laws forbide such a thing and any respectablePro- Domme is going to follow the rules.
If She isnt...Not a place you should be.

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As for the subject of a man offering a gift to a woman for her companionship really isn't even close. In the matting ritual of the Human primate the gift is offered as an expression of interest. Unsolisited, Often offered without expectations of reciprocausity. (In my personal experiance)
Unlike the woman identifying herself as "Pro", The title clearly expresses her williness to provide certain services but only if she receives compesatory re-embersment


Sometimes that "payment" is chores or errands so how many johns do you know that clean?

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Curios, an escort is paid only for her time and anything that might happen is a matter of choice. Yea right. A "pro" or "life style" is paid to offset the expense of her toys and not the acts she might participate in. O...K... right.



We get paid for services of spanking,whipping,humiliating them....Do you know how much a CAGE costs?How about nylons,panties,make-up and brushes,have to use seperate brushes on alll submissives to not spread germs...which brings Me to the cost of cleaning supplies,I'm guessing money grows on trees for you?

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So that does bring up another point. If sight policy prohibits solicitation of money for services, or something like that, why are these ladies permitted to post their offer to conduct bussiness?


Maybe that would be a clue that what WE do inst ILLEGAL...


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If I wanted to pay to play I'd go were it's legal. Like Sheris Ranch in Nevada they have a play room there. Maybe we as society should grow-up and stop rationalizing what it is that they do. Legalize prostitution, or at the very least decriminalize it.


Well go for it.I know in Maine its not Illegal to be a Dominatrix.

Maybe you should start the movement for growing up...you clearly are misinformed as to what a Pro-Domme does....Or at least have a misguided impression IMO.

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Yes I have been to serveral pros. Only one out of the three encounters was gratifiying. I suppose if I were gay and didn't have a boyfriend "Pro" would be the way to go


Being unsatisfied was ALL Her fault...I have to wonder...It normally takes two to Tango.













Jasmyn -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/12/2006 10:25:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MichMasochist

quote:

A tad wee arrogant aren't we? I operate a private dungeon, I do not do online domination, nor do I do money domination either. I have very real and authentic interactions with many many people who do deem what I do to be very worthy in their world. Know me before you judge me.


Well Let's see, you don't charge then you must not be a PROdomme??? So obviously you are not a member of that group of individuals. As I understand it hun the individuals who bill themselves as PROdommes expect financial compensation. IE. a pay to play partner. If you don't collect a fee then you're obviously not a pro.


But I am pro...somehow you've failed to grasp this grasshopper.

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Jesus wept where are you meeting these people? And why for the love of gawd are you even considering these women as 'Mistresses' or 'Dominas' or 'Dominatrix' or whatever title they are carrying for the week. Let me guess their like five and have a tit pic?


You really want to find them just google you'll find, you'll understand. And your perceptions of the world in which you live will be expanded. Or you will no longer think of yourself or call yourself a pro. Just go straight to maxfisch dot com. Curious, now that you mention it almost all those web pages will have "tit pics" Some will even portray the domme on her hands and knees. You'll find more than five.


You've completely missed the point of why I said what I said. Everytime a cowboy, one of these is a pro dom a hooker threads goes up, many men come on, like yourself and lament some woman telling him he'll have to tribute first. Any women and her dog can say she is a dominatrix and requires tribute ... are they dominatrices? or are they just silly bitches having a head rush ... you want to meet authentic people into authentic relationships and authentic interactions ... get off line. ... or stay online and whine about it.

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You are so not worthy of an answer...being a hypocrite and all. One one hand you will use an escort on the other hand you deem prostitution unworthy and appalling that no neighbourhood would want a house of ill repute in its midst.


All I can think to this one is... VVVRRRRROOOOM... that went over your head. I never said I had a problem with hookers, or that I had any problems with paying a pro. I reread my posts, and fail to see how you came to this conclusion. All I have ever said is that PROdommes are in the same class as prostitute in my opinion, when they either imply or expressed that they are to be paid for their services.


I suspected it would. No matter hypocrite, you'll get it one day.




openmindedslave -> RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? (2/13/2006 4:43:01 AM)

Is it not possiable that a prodom may offer a safer experience for newbees to play. Many not all , have studios or better equipment to cater to the host of fetishes they are offering their clients . To clarify this further.This is not to suggest every prodom is trained in cpr or is better qualified in all fetishes than a lifestyle dom. But money speaks .And if a pro does not have something special , either in their qualifications, their host of toys, their knowledge of role playing or something else I have lacked in discribing. then the prodom will not have return clients . Would that not make sense?





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