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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Merc. If Iran doesn't recognize the Jewish people, how come it recognizes the Jewish community in its midst and does it no harm?

To be honest Merc. I don't think I've ever read a balanced and rational view of the middle east on an American website.

MC,
Unless you are Columbus discovering an island doesn't mean you've found a continent.

Similar islands exist in Israel. They are used commonly by Israeli apologists who at the same time ignore your accurate example. However, do they represent the Country or the people in either case?

There are island communities in the US where guns are banned, cars are banned. Would you accept those similarly as representing the US people or US policy?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Meatclaver you make the same mistake palestinians do when they hold out for the right of return....That ship has passed,you can decry all you want the bloody birth of Israel,but birth it was and the child of that birth is the only democracy in the region.Who else should America align itself with,Israel the island amidst an ocean of Arabs exists and will exist  long after Amidenjahd(sp?) shuffles off to his ultimate reward(sic).
Did Israel have at its inception blood on its hands...yes,most countries do including mine.Shall we give America back to the various Indian tribes,I think not,and neither will Israel ever return the land it views as Israeli(the west bank might be negotiable)to the Palestinians.
Your assertion that America holds Israels chain will be disproved once the Iranians get close to acquiring a Nuke...no power on earth will stop the Israelis from destroying that capability...and given the public posturing of the Iranians ...who could blame them(besides you obviously).

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Meatclaver you make the same mistake palestinians do when they hold out for the right of return....That ship has passed,you can decry all you want the bloody birth of Israel,but birth it was and the child of that birth is the only democracy in the region.Who else should America align itself with,Israel the island amidst an ocean of Arabs exists and will exist  long after Amidenjahd(sp?) shuffles off to his ultimate reward(sic).
Did Israel have at its inception blood on its hands...yes,most countries do including mine.Shall we give America back to the various Indian tribes,I think not,and neither will Israel ever return the land it views as Israeli(the west bank might be negotiable)to the Palestinians.
Your assertion that America holds Israels chain will be disproved once the Iranians get close to acquiring a Nuke...no power on earth will stop the Israelis from destroying that capability...and given the public posturing of the Iranians ...who could blame them(besides you obviously).

Israel is not a democracy, if it was, it would give Israeli Arabs equal rights. An Arab citizen of Israel can't buy land without special dispensation. I won't go into the other forms of official discrimination.

Iran will get a nuke, at some point America and Israel are going to have to reconcile themselves to that fact.

Israel has the nukes, not Iran. Who can blame Iran for wanting nukes given the posturing of the US and Israel. That argument goes both ways and is sterile.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Not happy with the zionist state of Israel....is a far cry from wanting it wiped from the face of the earth....Your prejudices and tilted world view has colored your opinions.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Meatclaver you make the same mistake palestinians do when they hold out for the right of return....That ship has passed,you can decry all you want the bloody birth of Israel,but birth it was and the child of that birth is the only democracy in the region.Who else should America align itself with,Israel the island amidst an ocean of Arabs exists and will exist  long after Amidenjahd(sp?) shuffles off to his ultimate reward(sic).
Did Israel have at its inception blood on its hands...yes,most countries do including mine.Shall we give America back to the various Indian tribes,I think not,and neither will Israel ever return the land it views as Israeli(the west bank might be negotiable)to the Palestinians.
Your assertion that America holds Israels chain will be disproved once the Iranians get close to acquiring a Nuke...no power on earth will stop the Israelis from destroying that capability...and given the public posturing of the Iranians ...who could blame them(besides you obviously).

Israel is not a democracy, if it was, it would give Israeli Arabs equal rights. An Arab citizen of Israel can't buy land without special dispensation. I won't go into the other forms of official discrimination.

Iran will get a nuke, at some point America and Israel are going to have to reconcile themselves to that fact.

Israel has the nukes, not Iran. Who can blame Iran for wanting nukes given the posturing of the US and Israel. That argument goes both ways and is sterile.

Iran will never be allowed to obtain the capacity to follow thru on their rhetoric....as you have stated Israel has nukes and will use them against any threat it percieves to its state.....you have heard the phrase Never Again...have you not?
To the Israelis this is not mere rhetoric this is a creed they live by and are sworn to uphold....

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I suggest you read some history and then come back. Israel was not attacked by a coalition of Arabs, Israel ethnically cleaned and murdered Arab women and children. Syria did not send troops to aid the Palestinian Arabs, Syria did fight but not for the Palestinian Arabs, Jordan did not attack Israel, it helds its lines against Israeli attack as it was ordered to. Egypt did send some troops. Even then Israel had far outnumbered the Arabs, were better armed and trained and were prepared for war, the Arabs weren't prepared for war so that shows you who wanted war and who didn't!

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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I suggest you read some history and then come back. Israel was not attacked by a coalition of Arabs, Israel ethnically cleaned and murdered Arab women and children. Syria did not send troops to aid the Palestinian Arabs, Syria did fight but not for the Palestinian Arabs, Jordan did not attack Israel, it helds its lines against Israeli attack as it was ordered to. Egypt did send some troops. Even then Israel had far outnumbered the Arabs, were better armed and trained and were prepared for war, the Arabs weren't prepared for war so that shows you who wanted war and who didn't!

I suggest you read history, because they were attacked by a coalition of Arab countries.  The Israelis were better armed and trained because they were surrounded by hostile countries.  I don't call defense preparations wanting war. 

In the 60's, Syria began sponsoring guerilla attacks on Israel.  In 1964, different Arab countries tried to cut off a major source of Israel's water by diverting part of the Jordan River.  In 1967, Egypt massed troops and equipment on the Sinai peninsula and closed off the straits to Israeli shipping.  Jordan than entered into a mutal defense pact with both Syria and Egypt.  Immediately after Jordan joined the pact; Nasser declared, "Our basic objective is the destruction of Israel.  The Arab people want to fight."  Nasser continued making declarations like that, and he continued preparing for war.  I guess the Israelis were wrong to assume an attack was imminent. [8|]

Not only did Egypt send troops, so did Syria.  Jordan most certainly attacked Israel.  It specifically attacked Jerusalem and Netanya.  Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco, and Algeria all contributed troops to the effort.  I'd call that a coalition. 

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Merc. If Iran doesn't reecognize the Jewish people, how come it recognizes the Jewish community in its midst and does it no harm?

To be honest Merc. I don't think I've ever read a balanced and rational view of the middle east on an American website.

The Iranian people have not treated the jews in their community well.

Americans have not treated the blacks in their community well.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

If only all of us could be as impartial as you.

There are times I read your posts and just can't figure out who you support.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Merc. If Iran doesn't reecognize the Jewish people, how come it recognizes the Jewish community in its midst and does it no harm?

To be honest Merc. I don't think I've ever read a balanced and rational view of the middle east on an American website.

The Iranian people have not treated the jews in their community well.

Americans have not treated the blacks in their community well.

so how does that prove your point and how do Iranians recognize the jewish community?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Meatclaver you make the same mistake palestinians do when they hold out for the right of return....That ship has passed,you can decry all you want the bloody birth of Israel,but birth it was and the child of that birth is the only democracy in the region.Who else should America align itself with,Israel the island amidst an ocean of Arabs exists and will exist  long after Amidenjahd(sp?) shuffles off to his ultimate reward(sic).
Did Israel have at its inception blood on its hands...yes,most countries do including mine.Shall we give America back to the various Indian tribes,I think not,and neither will Israel ever return the land it views as Israeli(the west bank might be negotiable)to the Palestinians.
Your assertion that America holds Israels chain will be disproved once the Iranians get close to acquiring a Nuke...no power on earth will stop the Israelis from destroying that capability...and given the public posturing of the Iranians ...who could blame them(besides you obviously).

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Meatclaver you make the same mistake palestinians do when they hold out for the right of return....That ship has passed,you can decry all you want the bloody birth of Israel,but birth it was and the child of that birth is the only democracy in the region.Who else should America align itself with,Israel the island amidst an ocean of Arabs exists and will exist  long after Amidenjahd(sp?) shuffles off to his ultimate reward(sic).
Did Israel have at its inception blood on its hands...yes,most countries do including mine.Shall we give America back to the various Indian tribes,I think not,and neither will Israel ever return the land it views as Israeli(the west bank might be negotiable)to the Palestinians.
Your assertion that America holds Israels chain will be disproved once the Iranians get close to acquiring a Nuke...no power on earth will stop the Israelis from destroying that capability...and given the public posturing of the Iranians ...who could blame them(besides you obviously).

Meatcleaver,

The birth of Israel is directly related to the turning their eyes away and the annihilation of 6 million of the jewish people by your country.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

I have not been subject to the daily pro-Israeli propaganda American citizens are fed which is why I have a more balanced view.

It was Americans that attacked me and brought up this endless debate about Iran and Israel when I suggested dialog is better than the barren foreign policy McCain believes in because such policies have never brought a solution to anything. I do note that no Republcian has intellectually defended the success of such barren policies because it has never had any success. They simply muddy the waters by accusing other states of being monsters and saying things they haven't said.