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meatcleaver -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:06:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Absolutely not. But someone who believes the Bible is LITERALLY true belongs on a different planet. There's no possibility of rational discussion with someone like that. Your opinion. It's my opinion that people who believe "liberalism" to be LITERALLY true belong on a different planet. There's no possibility of rational discussion with someone like that. Firm Surely you do know that liberals know liberalism is a philosophy and not a religion and therefore don't hold it as possessing any truth? I just thought I'd better inform you before you start looking silly.[8\|]

TheHeretic -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:07:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW She has made it clear that, if she is elected, she intends to manipulate the laws of the United States so that -whether or not- individuals thus existing within this country share her beliefs, we will all be forced to abide by the structure of those beliefs or will be criminalized when we attempt to reinforce our ownership of our own spiritual, physical, and social directions. Quite the opposite, Calla. Unlike Obama, where we have nothing BUT his words, Sarah has been in a position to actually do things. Pointing to directly to your assertion, please reconcile that with her opposition as mayor to a local ordinance that would have required bars to close earlier, or her support of benefits for same-sex couples. Betcha can't do it.

TreasureKY -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:09:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: shakes head There you go? You believe these links clearly indicate that she wants only abstinence taught in school and where she desires women to have absolutely no choices? Perhaps you didn't understand the question. quote: From NBC's Katie Primm and Mark Murray By the way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire, Palin gave this response to the following question: Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools? Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1320417.aspx Now I do not know about any choices, but I will say that she wants to seriously hamper those most in danger of having an unwanted pregnancy the knowledge to prevent them... which to me means that she does not like knowledge leading to power over our destiny... Now I know a lot of people think sex is a taboo topic, especially religious zealots... it kinda underscores my belief in a separation of church and state That's just the thing, julia... your comments here do not reflect the extreme views portrayed in your previous comment wherein you said about Palin: quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania ... a woman that pushes abstinance only education, has her own teen daughter get knocked up, and is completely anti choice ... If someone was to read just a handful of your comments, they wouldn't get a complete view and understanding of your position. You appear to be doing the same for Sarah Palin. The quote you gave above is from Eagle Forum Alaska 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire, which interestingly enough, can't seem to be found anywhere online intact... though it is oft quoted. Assuming it is an accurate quote, it's merely one line... hardly sufficient information to get a broad understanding of her position. In digging a bit deeper, I find the following: quote: From the Los Angeles Times, September 6, 2008: In a widely quoted 2006 survey she answered during her gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself "pro-contraception" and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools alongside abstinence. "I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," she said during a debate in Juneau. I find it noteworthy, also, that in her quote she specifically said, "...the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." You'll find there are many who support a good, well-rounded curriculum of sex education in public schools, but who do not like the idea of "explicit" and possibly age-inappropriate material being taught to our children. That we know of, Sarah Palin did not clarify her remarks further at that time and that is a poor decision on her part. But I'm not going to immediately proclaim to all that she definitively "pushes abstinance only education" without further information.

meatcleaver -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY I find it noteworthy, also, that in her quote she specifically said, "...the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." You'll find there are many who support a good, well-rounded curriculum of sex education in public schools, but who do not like the idea of "explicit" and possibly age-inappropriate material being taught to our children. That we know of, Sarah Palin did not clarify her remarks further at that time and that is a poor decision on her part. But I'm not going to immediately proclaim to all that she definitively "pushes abstinance only education" without further information. How can you have sex education and not be explicit? What is age inappropriate material for children, that they are a product of two adults having sex? If it is, it seems to me its the adults that have a problem of shame and guilt 'rather than anything inappropriate children can't intelligently handle.

xXLithiumXx -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:16:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx Its not in the exact quotes, its more in the demeanor....and I have stated this before...as have others...the winking, and the "folksy" talk. Its just this way...like...the half whisper like shes your high school guidance lady. And the constant referal to Joe Six pack...and of course her assumption that the American people want straight talk...and that the only corruption is on Wall Street, or that the only ones who fear are Soccer moms.....She uses sterotypes to try and get in touch with people that she doesnt understand. I find it demeaning. And yes Levitating is an awesome ability. You have no idea what it does for me in grid lock traffic. You want specific examples and quotes? Here ya go...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89FbCPzAsRA theres like an hour and half of them. enjoy...once was enough for me. Im still coming down from the dramamine. So let me see if I understand you correctly... her personality rubs you the wrong way? Fair enough. I suppose it's a pretty common method for deciding who to vote for. But do you really believe that just because someone grates on your nerves, that makes them stupid and an airhead? Oh, and I really do have to ask... you don't want your politicians to be honest and straight forward? I dont see her as honest and straightforward...I see her as coniving. Now the why of that is simple. Lets look at her running mate...McCain...one of the Keating five, the only one to walk away unscathed...and when it comes to Palin...she has admited on more than one occasion that she doesnt understand washington, but she wants to have more power in her position. How can you want power, but not understand it? I see her as an air head because she doesnt seem to have taken any time to fully understand the situation that she is in. That she hasnt taken the time to grasp the situation that the country is in. She keeps making reference to Alaska...and how she did this or that. Well, as mayor...thats fine, you can lower taxes in a small town, and you can change all these things, but Washington is not the same. You have to deal with the congress and the house, and then the people. I dont think she has what it takes. I dont see her as honest, I dont see her as straightforward, and to be honest, I am not even sure as to why McCain would have chosen her, except to use the female vote that Hillary lost when she backed down. Maybe, its more than that, but I just do not see it.

xXLithiumXx -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:21:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I do not hate Sarah Palin.... I saw that article and it made me angry because it is dead wrong and it is sexist. Puhlease.... hate Sarah Palin because she is pretty? Then tell me why I am an Angelina Jolie fan... she makes Palin look like a dish of Alpo (most of the rest of us too). I do not think that Palin is all that pretty to be honest... I suppose for a politician she is better than average. I attend a university where 90% of the women make Sarah Palin look like dog poo and they dislike her because she would like to get in their vagina and control what happens there. To them Palin is an old woman, like their mother's age. Believe it or not, women do not like people wanting to control their bodies, no matter if they're an old white guy, or some Alaskan Podunk who maybe a female, but is anti woman. It has nothing to do with hating her, it is her positions that are terrifying.. and her religious extremism too I think the idea of Palin getting into my vagina scares me more than her positions. Maybe its the combination of the two. I dont think any one, not my husband, not the church not any one has a right to tell me that they can control any part of my body...and from what I understood Palin to say, the state would have a right to tell me what I could or could not do with my body. Hell with that. I live in it. I feed it. I pay the bills on it. Its MINE.

xXLithiumXx -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:28:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NumberSix quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Right. Reagan was just standing there when the USSR collapsed all by itself, the Alaska legislature actually made the damn thing happen without it ever occuring to them that Palin had their donors pissing themselves, but the economic mess is all Bush's fault.... Got it. OK Got it popsicle. So here is the fuckin' news..... If you are picking cause and effect in this way....... Then Bush and only Bush and the Republican majority (every last cocksucker of you) of the last 12 or so years are ENTIRELY AND ONLY RESPONSIBLE for the reprehensible situations that they have put our country in. No one else. Don't fuck with me, it is so very not worth it, I am not a 'sport' about this shit as you portray yourself to be. NUMB A-fucking-men

farglebargle -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:40:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Quite the opposite, Calla. Unlike Obama, where we have nothing BUT his words, Sarah has been in a position to actually do things. Yeah, she ran up a 20 million dollar debt in a 10,000 person town in less than 5 years. She should do less, and save the taxpayers money. It's an INSULT for her to have been chosen. There are at least TWO women I can pick off the top of my head who are more qualified than Sarah Palin. 1) Kay Bailey Hutchenson - Senator from Texas since 1993, and before that Ann Richards' Treasurer. 2) Christine Todd Whitman -- Who was Governor of a REAL STATE, New Jersey *AND* has REAL Federal Executive experience with a Cabinet seat and everything. And she's done everything else! (Footnote 1) Now, considering the options, Hutchenson. Whitman or Palin, exactly what has Palin done which qualifies her for the VP ( or since McCain's got a 25% chance of survival the next 4 years -- President )? P.S. This all supports my assertion that it's all rigged anyway and no-one's vote gets counted. If it was a real race, you don't handicap yourself with an amateur... Footnote 1: From Wikipedia's entry: quote: During the Nixon administration, Whitman worked in the Office of Economic Opportunity under the leadership of Donald Rumsfeld. She conducted a national outreach tour for the Republican National Committee, was Deputy Director of the New York State Office in Washington, and worked on aging issues for the Nixon campaign and administration.[citation needed] She was appointed to the Board of Trustees of Somerset County College (now Raritan Valley Community College). Elected to two terms on the Somerset County Board of Chosen Freeholders, she served as Deputy Director and Director of the Board. Among her accomplishments as freeholder was construction of a new county courthouse. From 1988 to 1990 she served as President of the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities in the cabinet of Gov. Thomas Kean. In 1990, Whitman ran for the U.S. Senate against incumbent Bill Bradley, and lost a close election.[11] She was considered a longshot candidate against the popular Bradley. During her campaign, Whitman criticized the income tax hike proposed by then Gov. James Florio, which Bradley did not take a stance on.

xXLithiumXx -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 10:43:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic But perfectly fine with a guy who has never run anything??? Palin gets to watch. She gets to learn. Your guy will be expected to get it right from day one. Or do you figure he'll just be a speechmaking puppet for the non-Clinton wing of the Dem party, with another Veep calling the shots from behind the scenes? We dont have time for Palin to watch and learn. We dont have the economic stability while she sits back on her attractive ass and waxes poetic at us and tries to be our friend, and frankly, McCain doesnt either. Hes dangling nine toes on the grave. So what...a week into the white house, Johnny is dead, and lil miss watch and wait is gonna run it? I think Ill pass on the second grader taking my senior finals for me...thanks.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 11:22:51 AM)
If I had made any indication that I was comparing Palin to Obama and said anything that would lead anyone here to presume that I consider -him- qualified to run for senior office in opposition to McCain/Palin, I apologize for my obscurity. None of them are suitable candidates, IMO, and I'm 'wasting' my vote to write in Ron Paul-who, despite my aversion to a number of his personal beliefs, has managed to retain most of his Libertarian leanings, and who is, IMO, the only truly viable candidate if I want any restoration of the Constitution as a foundation for US government and policy, and any sense of participation in the running of my country. Calla Firestorm

Lordandmaster -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 11:34:58 AM)
"Liberalism" is not a document, Firmhand. It's neither literally true nor literally untrue. The very statement is nonsensical. And yeah, if you believe that God created the universe 7,000 years ago (or whatever it is, someone already worked out the arithmetic) just because the Bible says so, then I don't believe it's possible to have a rational conversation with you--or anyone else who shares that solipsistic belief. What are the dinosaurs? Are they hoaxes? Crazy scientists inventing evidence so that they can win grants? We've allowed the lunatic fringe of our society to seize altogether too much power, and for too long. quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Absolutely not. But someone who believes the Bible is LITERALLY true belongs on a different planet. There's no possibility of rational discussion with someone like that. Your opinion. It's my opinion that people who believe "liberalism" to be LITERALLY true belong on a different planet. There's no possibility of rational discussion with someone like that.

xXLithiumXx -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 11:37:33 AM)
I think when it comes to Palin and her wanting to teach my kids about birth control.....Its none of her damned business. Noone has a right to teach a child about that but the parent. However they see fit. My kids are lucky, and I talk to them, and I teach them, and I tell them what's what, but I do it in terms that they can understand at their maturity level and their age. In school, that kind of teaching can not be promised, and Palin is retarded if she thinks for one half a second that it will be. Its not up to the government, state or federal, what I teach my kids about sex, or if I choose to abort a child that I may not be mentally or physically able to care for. It is not up to the government how I teach my child or how I come to the conclusion that I need to have an abortion. They already have too much control, and not enough concern. They can vote to give themselves a raise once a year, but its...what...once every 5-7 years that we get a raise? I dont care who gets voted into office, on the day that they tell me they are teaching my kids about sex, my kids wont be there. Im not having some stressed out over worked teacher who doesnt have the time to answer the most simple of questions speak to my kids, influence them with her own personal beliefes, or the school boards, or the states, on what is safe sex and what isnt, on what options they have or dont have. I dont think that they will take the love and the concern for my childs well being into consideration, and I do not think that they will answer the REAL questions that kids have. So when it comes to Palin telling me what my kids do and dont need, my question is who the fuck does she think she is? I teach my kids, and I do it in a way that they can walk away understanding for who they are as people. Mass education is what is failing these kids. Some kids get lost in every day subjects...and they want us to believe that they give enough of a fuck about my kids to take the time to teach them properly about something as serious as sex and its impact on their young lives? No way in hell.

HopeLost -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 11:48:10 AM)
honestly i cant hate her cause she is pretty. i mean everyone has to have something and she has beauty.

TheHeretic -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 12:16:04 PM)
I don't know why I bother, Fargle, but... Kay Bailey Hutchinson is from Texas, and Christine Todd Whitman was Bush's appointee to head the EPA. McCain needed somebody without those connections.

LadyEllen -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 12:17:54 PM)
Never mind all this - I want to hear about her positives, not counters to her supposed negatives! I just started another thread for the purpose, so it would be nice if her supporters could let us in on her merits! I have spoken (and God told me to do it, so you have to listen) E

slaveluci -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 1:33:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 if palin weren't as attractive as she is, she wouldn't be as hated as she is. Am I the only person who doesn't find her the least bit attractive? Yet I still want to vomit when she speaks. Hmmm, wonder why that is if it's not her beauty?[8\|] luci

kittinSol -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 1:36:35 PM)
You're not alone [:(] . Regular features do not attraction make. And lipliner tattoed mouth bad looking it makes it. ~ Yoda.

juliaoceania -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 2:43:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania This does not negate their feeling that Jesus was a divinely inspired individual and perhaps sent here from God. The definition of "Christian" is one who believes that Jesus was indeed sent here from God. There are, of course, religious organizations which ape, or draw upon the Christian tradition ... but do not meet the definition of "Christian", even if they quote both the bible and Jesus. Firm As per usual, you are wrong.

juliaoceania -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 2:47:45 PM)
quote: ut what is happening here, DC, unless someone has video of Sarah reciting the Falwell Creed, is that the positions and dogma of her church are being directly assigned to her. I've been dragged along to churches where what you say above is very much a requirement. Shouldn't the same standards be applied to where Barack sent his ___s to Sunday School? Per You seem to be confused between the dogma of a church, and those who preach in a church. The dogma of Palin's church is that they believe in speaking in tongues and casting out demons and that God created the earth in 6 days... now notice I am not jumping on the fact that her preacher is anti-Jew, because that is not church doctrine, whereas the weirdness that is endtimers very much is a doctrine of her church

juliaoceania -> RE: We HATES Her (10/4/2008 2:56:02 PM)
quote: I find it noteworthy, also, that in her quote she specifically said, "...the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." You'll find there are many who support a good, well-rounded curriculum of sex education in public schools, but who do not like the idea of "explicit" and possibly age-inappropriate material being taught to our children. That we know of, Sarah Palin did not clarify her remarks further at that time and that is a poor decision on her part. But I'm not going to immediately proclaim to all that she definitively "pushes abstinance only education" without further information. Define "explicit"? Is it teaching kids that condoms prevent pregnancy and AIDs? How to use a condom? Where to get birth control? She is for abstinence only education... lets get that fact down pat. She has never denied this. So you can spin spin spin all you like, but even if you put lipstick on a pitbull, it is still a bitch.

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