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barelynangel -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 10:58:06 AM)
Mike -- nevermind -- Edited the rest Mike -- Your mentality contributes to why this country is run and what's important in office -- saving face not admitting and fixing. He could well be our next president -- and you want him to just give up lol because he made a bad decision instead of admitting it, trying to fix it and learning from it. Now your mentality is what scares me of where this country is headed if that is what you expect of a President. I am done with this with you. angel

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:06:06 AM)
Okay folks we seem to have gone off on a tangent here...are we looking for those qualities one seeks in a life-mate...or, as in this case, are we looking at a political candidate,who in the minds of some has made a disastrous selection for a running mate....now in the case of the former...admitting ones mistakes and correcting rather than standing by them is indeed a laudable and appealing character trait. In the latter example what would admitting his mistake gain him at this point...it would totally tick off the base he was trying to shore up in the first place,while those that didn't agree with the choice would still hold him accountable for making it in the first place This is politics and whether you like it or not there is no mulligan.....that is why most candidates actually do some vetting and research on their potential running mate.....I will repeat he can not politically speaking un- ring this bell and have any,no matter how slim,chance in this election.....sorry political facts are harsh and they are unforgiving of those that screw-up!

BitaTruble -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:09:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel i am saying people are saying he SHOULDN'T admit to and correct the mistake instead he should stand by his decision even when he probably realized how bad of a screw up it is because he then may hurt his campaign even more which tells me the American people are more concerned about win or lose than a President admitting openly what we all know and then correcting the error because hell they casterize a candidate for same and believe he shouldn't admit his mistake BEFORE the bloody election but allow to remain the possibility she may still be VP. Well, I don't know about 'people' but as a single voice speaking only for myself, I firmly believe that McCain should have stood up and told the voters why he believes Palin is 'still' a good choice for him and us given the results of the investigation into Troopergate. That's not what happened, however. What happened is the party put a spin on, calling the investigation partisian (although Palin herself offered full support and invited it .. then didn't give it any support at all and refused to cooperate). The problem here is that the window of opportunity was missed by McCain. If he had said last night .. we accept the findings of the Branchflower investigation, but even so, people need to understand the circumstances surrounding the issue and ask themselves, what would you have done given the situation. Palin is not perfect and she probably could have handled things better, but she was frustrated by what she perceived to be inaction. I don't condone the action, but I can't help but understand it and I know that it won't happen again. It was a one-shot. It's really hard to be impartial when it comes to family. Ask yourself how impartial you would be if your parents had been threatened with death, if you were stuck in the middle of this situation. Ask yourself where you would draw the line to prevent the unthinkable from happening. Where you draw the line when fear for the safety of your loved ones overrules any position you may hold in government. Something like that would have allowed him to go either way. Dump her to make sure it doesn't happen again or keep her. Either way, that would have been presidential (in my view). Ask yourself .. do you want a robot in office or a human. I've chosen a human. I've chosen Sarah Palin and I stand by that choice. or As much as I admire Sarah Palin, I must ask myself what I would have done, I can only answer that I must put country first. There are sacrifices that must be made, especially in these hard times so for that reason, I have no choice but to ask Ms. Palin to step down, deal with her family issues as she deems necessary and I will choose another running mate to help lead this country in the right direction. A direction in which the people won't have to worry about abuses of power because the person sitting in the big chair is fully aware that, ultimately, the power belongs to the people. Now THAT would have been the way to handle it rather than poo poo the process then call it an Obama trick and discount the fact that it was 11 pubs and only 4 dems that were involved in the investigation in the first place. Eh, just call me one of the 'people'.

Daddysredhead -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:11:02 AM)
I don't doubt that this is a big mess. I'm an Independent, still undecided because there are things of high importance that I like in both candidates, but things that I don't like as well. I have to take all of these things into consideration, as well as others who may still sit in the "undecided" seats, of which, there are few.

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:12:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Mike -- nevermind -- Edited the rest Mike -- Your mentality contributes to why this country is run and what's important in office -- saving face not admitting and fixing. He could well be our next president -- and you want him to just give up lol because he made a bad decision instead of admitting it, trying to fix it and learning from it. Now your mentality is what scares me of where this country is headed if that is what you expect of a President. I am done with this with you. angel Barelyanangel,if recognising political realities is whats wrong with this country...than guilty as charged And BTW my mentality is I want the guy that gets it right the first time....not the guy that tries a desperate political gambit that blows up in his face.....sorry if that scares you,but that would seem to be your problem...along with having a difficulty recognising some realities for what they are....I can't help you there....good luck with that!

TheHeretic -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:26:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u my mentality is I want the guy that gets it right the first time.... Huh??? I thought you were for Obama?

seeksfemslave -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:27:36 AM)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7588542.stm What a face. Capable of looking at both sides of an issue. At the same time. Moose pie for me. I would vote for her if I could.

barelynangel -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:48:29 AM)
quote: BTW my mentality is I want the guy that gets it right the first time Then Mike, then good luck finding Mr. Perfect there is no such thing ESPECIALLY in politics and your Obama hasn't gotten it right the first time, 4 years from now will tell you that if he becomes president. You are desperate in pullingout more of your campaign spiel because again -- i wasn't saying McCain should do this FOR VOTES!!!!!!!!! I value honor, integrity and responsibility in MEN especially those wanting to be a leader -- i would say the SAME thing about Obama if he was in this situation. This isn't a candidate focused concept you keep wanting to make it. You may hold your life mate to different standards, i don't. I hold all Men who are leaders in my life to a very high standard. AND part of that standard is admitting to mistakes (grins for celestes rightful statement, IF he believes he made one), working to fix the mistake, and accepting the consequences and responsibility of such a mistake. You are willing to have a president who wants to cower and be weak by not admitting his mistakes and fixing the damn thing -- i want a leader who if he happens to make a mistake he is capable of standing up admitting it attempting to fix it and hell, ask for help from people who an help if need be. (And yes, as long as McCain is IN THE RACE, he may become president so whatever you want him to do if he believes he has made a mistake is what you would allow him to do as President) no matter if you vote for him or not. Its the caliber of the Man i am speaking and while you may see Men as leaders in your life as superhumans who are willing to scoop mistakes under the rug instead of facing up tothem and fixing them for fear you will be angry and upset with them, i don't. I was strong leaders, not weak ones afraid to admit they made a mistake so they try and hide it and manipulate people. But i guess that's the caliber of people you want to possibly lead you -- as he will be leading you as a citizen of this country IF he wins whether you vote for him or not. BTW i hold Obama to the same standards --- again, while its McCain in the situation THIS ISN"T ABOUT VOTES AND CAMPAIGNING. The point of the matter is -- if he believes he has made a mistake ITS HAPPENED. Instead of hiding it under the rug, or bitching about how it happened, admit it, fix it and take the consequences. You simply want to say well you made a mistake let's sit here and bitch about how you made the mistake instead of figuring out how to fix it in case you do become President. I will say this being a slave, i am really surprised you hold leaders in your life to weak standards. I know being a slave i tend to hold the leaders in my life to high standards and those high standards doesn't mean they are super humans, but instead are humans who know how to deal with all issues -- even their own mistakes, which better not be sweeping it under the rug because welll i did it what can i do about it now and then give up. angel

rulemylife -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 11:51:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead I agree with this statement 100%. I don't care if it's politics, business, personal matters, etc. If a man can't be strong enough to stand firm in the midst of a firestorm and admit he's human and made a mistake, I have little to no respect for him. Personal integrity is important, honesty is key... saying "I messed up or I didn't have all the information when I made my decision" doesn't mean a person is weak... just human. What exactly is the information McCain didn't have when he made his decision? None of Palin's shortcomings were being hidden. The troopergate investigation was public knowledge. He had months to make a decision. This is all supposed to be ignored because gosh golly, gee whiz, he is only human after all. Bullshit! The man's running for President. If his judgement is that lacking I don't want him anywhere near the oval office.

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 12:28:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u my mentality is I want the guy that gets it right the first time.... Huh??? I thought you were for Obama? And your confused about what Heretic? specifically speaking of course......if we could keep your answer confined to this one narrow question,I have nietherthe time nor inclination to clear up all your confusions...[:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 12:29:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead I agree with this statement 100%. I don't care if it's politics, business, personal matters, etc. If a man can't be strong enough to stand firm in the midst of a firestorm and admit he's human and made a mistake, I have little to no respect for him. Personal integrity is important, honesty is key... saying "I messed up or I didn't have all the information when I made my decision" doesn't mean a person is weak... just human. What exactly is the information McCain didn't have when he made his decision? None of Palin's shortcomings were being hidden. The troopergate investigation was public knowledge. He had months to make a decision. This is all supposed to be ignored because gosh golly, gee whiz, he is only human after all. Bullshit! The man's running for President. If his judgement is that lacking I don't want him anywhere near the oval office. Bingo...this poster gets the kewpie doll!

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 12:33:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel quote: BTW my mentality is I want the guy that gets it right the first time Then Mike, then good luck finding Mr. Perfect there is no such thing ESPECIALLY in politics and your Obama hasn't gotten it right the first time, 4 years from now will tell you that if he becomes president. You are desperate in pullingout more of your campaign spiel because again -- i wasn't saying McCain should do this FOR VOTES!!!!!!!!! I value honor, integrity and responsibility in MEN especially those wanting to be a leader -- i would say the SAME thing about Obama if he was in this situation. This isn't a candidate focused concept you keep wanting to make it. You may hold your life mate to different standards, i don't. I hold all Men who are leaders in my life to a very high standard. AND part of that standard is admitting to mistakes (grins for celestes rightful statement, IF he believes he made one), working to fix the mistake, and accepting the consequences and responsibility of such a mistake. You are willing to have a president who wants to cower and be weak by not admitting his mistakes and fixing the damn thing -- i want a leader who if he happens to make a mistake he is capable of standing up admitting it attempting to fix it and hell, ask for help from people who an help if need be. (And yes, as long as McCain is IN THE RACE, he may become president so whatever you want him to do if he believes he has made a mistake is what you would allow him to do as President) no matter if you vote for him or not. Its the caliber of the Man i am speaking and while you may see Men as leaders in your life as superhumans who are willing to scoop mistakes under the rug instead of facing up tothem and fixing them for fear you will be angry and upset with them, i don't. I was strong leaders, not weak ones afraid to admit they made a mistake so they try and hide it and manipulate people. But i guess that's the caliber of people you want to possibly lead you -- as he will be leading you as a citizen of this country IF he wins whether you vote for him or not. BTW i hold Obama to the same standards --- again, while its McCain in the situation THIS ISN"T ABOUT VOTES AND CAMPAIGNING. The point of the matter is -- if he believes he has made a mistake ITS HAPPENED. Instead of hiding it under the rug, or bitching about how it happened, admit it, fix it and take the consequences. You simply want to say well you made a mistake let's sit here and bitch about how you made the mistake instead of figuring out how to fix it in case you do become President. I will say this being a slave, i am really surprised you hold leaders in your life to weak standards. I know being a slave i tend to hold the leaders in my life to high standards and those high standards doesn't mean they are super humans, but instead are humans who know how to deal with all issues -- even their own mistakes, which better not be sweeping it under the rug because welll i did it what can i do about it now and then give up. angel I will try this one more time and than I will give up.....THERE WAS NIETHER HONOR,INTEGRITY NOR RESPONSIBILITY PRESENT WHEN HE FIRST CHOSE HER.......HOW DO YOU WALK BACK THAT CAT....I am done here!!!!!!!

Musicmystery -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:12:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead I agree with this statement 100%. I don't care if it's politics, business, personal matters, etc. If a man can't be strong enough to stand firm in the midst of a firestorm and admit he's human and made a mistake, I have little to no respect for him. Personal integrity is important, honesty is key... saying "I messed up or I didn't have all the information when I made my decision" doesn't mean a person is weak... just human. What exactly is the information McCain didn't have when he made his decision? None of Palin's shortcomings were being hidden. The troopergate investigation was public knowledge. He had months to make a decision. This is all supposed to be ignored because gosh golly, gee whiz, he is only human after all. Bullshit! The man's running for President. If his judgement is that lacking I don't want him anywhere near the oval office. Bingo...this poster gets the kewpie doll! McCain shot from the hip. His version of "thinking." Talk to Dick Cheney about that particular hunting strategy.

slvemike4u -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:20:15 PM)
I would rather get the viewpoint of his hunting buddy on that score!

barelynangel -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:32:13 PM)
Fast Reply: Okay REALLY STUPID QUESTION HERE: But how is admitting the mistake, attempting to fix it AND TAKING RESPONSIBILITY AND CONSEQUENCES OF SAID MISTAKE -- ignoring it? I mean are you really that dense you believe that admitting it, attempting to fix it is IGNORING IT -- that this country would allow it to be ignored??? Hell no, taking the responsibility and consequences is putting yourself into the line of fire to HAVE to own up to the mistake. Okay -- do we know what ignore means? Because i don't think most do here ----- i personally am saying just the opposite - do not ignore it! No wonder this countries political arena is so screwed up, people see standing up and admitting a mistake, trying to fix it, and facing the consequences and responsibility for same as IGNORING IT. People would rather people hide from a mistake because i guess that isn't IGNORING IT, instead of putting themselves in the line of fire by admitting the mistake, attempting to fix it and having to deal with the consequences and allowing people to make a choice. For some reason people are thinking i expect his doing so to grab him votes, pesonally i don't believe that -- while i believe some people based on his new choice may give him a boost, i don't believe it will win him the election IF he is destined to lose. But people tend to be very unforgiving. I am not saying people SHOULD vote for him if he chooses to admit he made a mistake because that is what he believes. i am simply saying -- i would respect him IF he choose to (if he believes he did) admit his mistake -- try and fix it by choosing a new VP -- and facing the consequences and responsibility no matter what effect it has on his campaign. THAT is the caliber i believe ALL our candidates should have. Yeah they are human, so yeah they make mistakes. Thinking otherwise means you are living in a fantasy world. Admitting they can and do make mistakes and then having a expectation of what you believe they should do when they realize same, is a standard you would hold someone too and where YOUR personal values lie. You either agree he should sweep it under the rug if he believes he made a mistake and so you can sit around to just stamp your foot saying you made a mistake you made a mistake - neener neener neeeeener -- see everyone he made a mistake (oh and then start bitching eventually that he never admitted it lol), or you hold him to a standard of expectation where you expect him to admit it and bloody well fix it and deal with the consequences. No wonder our society is so screwed up, people want the former -- not the latter. Because eventually people will bitch just like they do with Bush that he didn't admit his mistake. You can't have it both ways, either you want them to admit their mistakes if they believe they made them so they can be fixed or you well don't. Which is it people? angel

Musicmystery -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:34:54 PM)
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NumberSix -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:38:31 PM)
LOL, Tim........... She is in some sort of auto-de-fe with slvmike4u, you were simply caught in the backblast....perhaps she was perusing your post to see if you were telling her to heel before she posted further. What she is saying though, I rather agree with. Huppie

Raechard -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:41:11 PM)
She is talking to mike perhaps[8\|]

rulemylife -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:41:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Okay REALLY STUPID QUESTION HERE: Thank you for finally admitting that. Doesn't that make you feel better now? If you had only said that in the first place I wouldn't have had to read the same endless post rephrased time after time.

NumberSix -> RE: McCain/______ (10/11/2008 1:43:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard She is talking to mike perhaps[8\|] Perhaps. KnuteAngurVadel

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