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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 2:21:02 AM   
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Independence for Wales - now! Maybe then the Welsh can play politics with their own money, not ours!





You really should start with Northern Ireland.


Anyone can have their independence, they just have to vote for it. The problem for the republicans is that they haven't convinced enough voters yet to vote their way. Which was why they were engaged in terrorism in the first place.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 2:24:39 AM   
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I still dont know why the UK has formed its self into a Federation yet, instead remaining as a Unitarian state



Party politics as always.

The problem now is that if a government gives the English the same devolved powers as the Welsh, Scots and N.Irish, there won't be a UK because it is the English that pay for it.

Oh and Scots, Welsh and N.Irish won't have any moral right to govern the English and spend English money on their fellow nationals.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 2:54:52 AM   
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Gerrin.....I love owt like this me........

In order of preference:

1) Wales
2) Scotland
3) Grimsby
4) The Isle of Man
5) France
6) Outer Mongolia
7) London and the Sarf.

Non Runner: The Midlands.

Just saying like........

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 2:58:09 AM   
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Be careful, if you upset the Welsh too much they will want their water back.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 4:32:11 AM   
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Gerrin.....I love owt like this me........

In order of preference:

1) Wales
2) Scotland
3) Grimsby
4) The Isle of Man
5) France
6) Outer Mongolia
7) London and the Sarf.

Non Runner: The Midlands.

Just saying like........


I think you are giving too much credit to the Scots, they are after all struggling to have a larger economy than Yorkshire and Yorksire don't have oil. And worst for the Scots, Rotherham United could probably whip the Scottish national side.

North Wales is for bores but South Wales is good.

Isle of Man, peversion, corporal punishment, I see where you're coming from.

Birmingham is probably the most undersestimated city in England, certainly better than Manchester for a night out.

London, lived there and got the tee shirt, wouldn't do it again.

Oh well, I've moved from Amsterdam to Berlin which I suppose gives away my list of preferences.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 4:41:30 AM   
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We could live without the Scottish IMHO.

HEY!

Rae.. I adore you, but you're treading on shaky ground with that remark!!

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 4:46:26 AM   
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Oh well, I've moved from Amsterdam to Berlin which I suppose gives away my list of preferences.



Good work, Meat.....'only have good memories of Berlin. That German/Russian relations museum in the East is an eye opener......



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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 5:36:13 AM   
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Be careful, if you upset the Welsh too much they will want their water back.


they can try to keep it if they want; gravity would suggest they might find this difficult

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 6:25:42 AM   
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Also, the welsh have been known to violate sheep, and if they separate from the UK, all the sheep will be violated at will



That's why they need the new prison:  they're planning ahead.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 7:03:23 AM   
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Then, the leader of Plaid Cymru had the incredible gall to think that the money for this prison should come from the British taxpayer as a whole (or in other words, from England);




Sounds more than reasonable given the plunder the English have got away with from Wales for centuries.




Hmmm, first what the English did to New Zealand, and now what the English did to Wales, methinks you think the English are the whipping dog for most of the ills in the world. Well, the ex colonised world at least, in which case you might have a point, but that is history, the past. Oh, and before you go on about how the 'English' subdued and raped the new world, remember one thing, before the English went over borders and seas to conquer a people, they first conquered their own people. What the ' English ' are, is what they have always been, just a bunch of people trying to eke out an existence on a land ruled by land owners. The land owners are still wealthy as they have always been, for they reaped the rewards of conquest. The people, the canon fodder, well they are still trying to eke out an existence, and just as poor comparitively as they have always been. It is just that we, the people, the majority have been deluded  into this false nationality, that we are part of the whole, all gathered under flags, banners and other bullshit designed  to make us feel part of something for the purposes of control. The sad thing is, we the canon fodder, reap the misplaced hatred of other nations who like to blame all their ills on the country that once controlled them, when it is those controllers is their search for wealth and riches, would gladly sell their own country if they could. But maybe they have already, for how much was Britain is now in the ownership of foreign hands.

United Kingdom, it never was, well, not willingly. Now the riches have largely gone or become not as attractive, why hang onto the 'colonies', when all they do is moan, what have they got for the controllers to take, oh, I know, their taxes. The point will come when if what comes out of a colony is less than what is put in, that colony might be set adrift under the false guise of  independence. The old machine is still working, seeking it's riches where it might find them and cutting it's losses when the need arises.


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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 6:23:44 PM   
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Independence for Wales - now! Maybe then the Welsh can play politics with their own money, not ours!





You really should start with Northern Ireland.


Anyone can have their independence, they just have to vote for it. The problem for the republicans is that they haven't convinced enough voters yet to vote their way. Which was why they were engaged in terrorism in the first place.


thats the most appaling and simplistic take on it I've ever read. aside from any more recent events, when the IRA was formed the people of Ireland most certainly did not have the slightest say in who ruled, in either dublin or belfast.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 7:50:40 PM   
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Right On!!!!!



Seriously, all you have to do to see what the English have done to Wales, is take a drive and look around the place. England is gold plated everything while Wales looks fucked over. And I'm talking about everything, including the landscape. The Welsh have been on the receiving end of a jolly rodgering for centuries and the best thing they could do would be to leave the U.K.


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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 7:57:25 PM   
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Outstanding ignorance, even for you. Well done.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 8:23:51 PM   
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Funny, it was the Welsh the Scottish and the Irish rotting in the trenches during WW1.  So not only do they have to die for the English they have to pay for English prisons too ?

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 8:44:20 PM   
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Outstanding ignorance, even for you. Well done.


Have you ever been to Wales ? The place is completely fucked. Everything in it. Wales should leave the UK, and stay with the Commonwealth and possibly the EU. They'd be much better off.


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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 8:47:43 PM   
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Funny, it was the Welsh the Scottish and the Irish rotting in the trenches during WW1. 


and the english. the idea that the welsh and scots were sent to be slaughtered on behalf of england is a very silly one, and frankly hugely insulting to the millions of englishmen who perished. fuck, in one day half the young men of sheffield were slaughtered at the somme,
the irish is another matter of course (but it must be said, they weren't conscripts) but england took its fair share of casualties in that war.
and further to that, scotland and wales are not subservient to england, they're part of britain, by consent.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 8:47:49 PM   
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Honestly, what a load of rubbish.  You didn't even read the OP properly.  LadyE said the English, ipso facto, were expected to pay for the *Welsh* prison.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 8:48:51 PM   
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Outstanding ignorance, even for you. Well done.


Have you ever been to Wales ? The place is completely fucked. Everything in it. Wales should leave the UK, and stay with the Commonwealth and possibly the EU. They'd be much better off.




this is just stupid.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 8:50:23 PM   
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Hapistan, Moloch's profile says he grew up on Beavis and Butthead.  I think that explains a great deal.

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RE: Independence for Wales - NOW! - 10/12/2008 8:51:21 PM   
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Outstanding ignorance, even for you. Well done.


Have you ever been to Wales ? The place is completely fucked. Everything in it. Wales should leave the UK, and stay with the Commonwealth and possibly the EU. They'd be much better off.




this is just stupid.



Are you saying Wales has every advantage ? When I first went to Wales I have to say I was shocked. How could a place be so literally fucked and not have open rebellion ? They're a people that have been completely subjugated. Utterly fucked over. It makes Rwanda look gentile.


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