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Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 6:36:32 AM   
GoddessNatasha


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Status: offline 		I have posted a similar message on other boards and received some interesting replies. I have become interested in an idea put forth by Author/Domme Ingred Bellemare that the only true slave is one who consents at the outset to a non-consensual relationship sustained by his love for his Mistress and cemented by some form of Compulsion. Ingred suggests the compulsion be a set of embarrassing photos/videos of the slave which, he agrees in the beginning, would only be released as a penalty for his default on the slave commitment (contract)
 
Penalties for default are common in contracts but some see this as unethical while others are thrilled by the added spice of enforcement. I have advertised exclusively on CM for My n-s slave and received quite a few replies and completed Applications.
 
What do you think? I would love to have your view on this concept.
 
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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:05:11 AM   
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Okay, I'll bite anyway.  Anyone who espouses "this is the only true (whatever)" is full of shit.  And yeah, ummm, unethical?  Last time I checked, blackmail was illegal.


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:05:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the police would have a hard time deciding if to charge you for blackmail. The only form of real slavery in my opinion, and it's not going to be popular view but it is how I see it none the less, is non consensual. Anyone that chooses to be a slave at any point has made that choice therefore they aren’t a real slave by the only definition of the word.
 
Some argue that they are slaves because they've been taken so far down a certain path that they are completely dependent on their owner and couldn't exist without them. Yet you see plenty of ex slaves that have been released functioning well and anyway how would that be any different from any other form of relationship where one part thinks they couldn't live without the other?
 
The blackmail angle is an approach but it is very risky and gives the supposed slave power over the owner due to how it would look in the eyes of the law; who might end up being blackmailed unwittingly? I do agree with the premise you make that true slavery is non consensual though and I find it hard to see any M/s relationship as anything other than role-play taken to the extreme. A true slave doesn't want to be a slave or doesn’t see any other role for themselves because it is all they know.


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:08:12 AM   
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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:08:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		consensual non-consent is a misnomer.

It's still consent in the end.

They agreed to it whether it be in the beginning and never having to consent again after that or for every thing done to them. It's still consensual, so to me it's a moot point really.


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:12:43 AM   
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Why do you care what other people think? 

Okay, I'll bite anyway.  Anyone who espouses "this is the only true (whatever)" is full of shit.  And yeah, ummm, unethical?  Last time I checked, blackmail was illegal.


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:13:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessNatasha

I have posted a similar message on other boards and received some interesting replies. I have become interested in an idea put forth by Author/Domme Ingred Bellemare that the only true slave is one who consents at the outset to a non-consensual relationship sustained by his love for his Mistress and cemented by some form of Compulsion. Ingred suggests the compulsion be a set of embarrassing photos/videos of the slave which, he agrees in the beginning, would only be released as a penalty for his default on the slave commitment (contract)
 
Penalties for default are common in contracts but some see this as unethical while others are thrilled by the added spice of enforcement. I have advertised exclusively on CM for My n-s slave and received quite a few replies and completed Applications.
 
What do you think? I would love to have your view on this concept.
 
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In a general sense only; I can understand the thinking behind the 'blackmail' idea. There are quite a few who find this kind of kink very exciting; the thought of exposure that is. Of course, for them, it's only the thought and threat of exposure that excites them; to actually follow through on it would probably destroy the trust that they had for their owner...no matter what was written into the so called contract.

On a personal note; my opinion means very little. I am a stranger who is not likely to ever come across you; therefore, my thoughts on this mean nothing to you and yours. Everyone is entitled to live their life the way that they feel is right; it's not my place to say if it's right or wrong.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:18:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		If s/he is consenting to a non-consensual relationship s/he is still consenting. The only true non-consensual slavery is the kind where you go out and capture someone and hold them against their will. Not only is this illegal but it is very wrong.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:21:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to have people come to me who dreamed of being blackmailed and wanted it to be a reality.  That's fine if that's their thing. 

My Master and I both consider me to be a real slave - and he has no naked photos that he is holding over my head.  I don't serve him because I feel any threat but because I respect, admire and trust him and am happiest when pleasing him.  It is not unusual that the service takes me outside of my comfort zone, yet no matter how difficult the task - whether physically or emotionally - I do my best to please him.  I think that is much more the test of a true slave, going against your own wishes to serve another to the best of your ability, than an early agreement to blackmail.  The reason for serving then is always suspect - is it from desire or fear?


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:25:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		like others have said.. even if they consent to the rest of the dynamic being non-consensual.. it's STILL consent.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:30:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's consent, and then there's consent.  How many victims of domestic violence "consented" to stay with the abuser, because of economic pressures, or thinking they would lose their kids if they left?

Unless you're a millionaire with no dependents -- and no other family members you love -- consent takes place in a context.


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:38:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessNatasha

I have posted a similar message on other boards and received some interesting replies. I have become interested in an idea put forth by Author/Domme Ingred Bellemare that the only true slave is one who consents at the outset to a non-consensual relationship sustained by his love for his Mistress and cemented by some form of Compulsion. Ingred suggests the compulsion be a set of embarrassing photos/videos of the slave which, he agrees in the beginning, would only be released as a penalty for his default on the slave commitment (contract)
 
Penalties for default are common in contracts but some see this as unethical while others are thrilled by the added spice of enforcement. I have advertised exclusively on CM for My n-s slave and received quite a few replies and completed Applications.
 
What do you think? I would love to have your view on this concept.
 
Goddess Natasha thanks you.


My opinion?

It's yet another stupid idea among the many other stupid ideas out there in the D/S world about "how to control a slave".

The truth of the matter is that any "control" I have over a girl is really, at heart, a fickle illusion created by the consent of the girl and removal of that consent dissolves that illusion.

This is an insecurity regarding our control that all dominants have to face and some dominants, rather than deal with that insecurity, choose to come up with bullshit like this in order to have some degree of control that isn't depedent on the slave.

They come up with sayings like "My Way or The Highway" where the threat of abandoning the slave is used to combat any disobedience. In this particular case, the dominant has chosen to use blackmail via explicit pictures and videos as opposed to the more preferred method of emotional blackmail.

If more dominant spent time finding partners who were willing to support them and develop a sense of security that they aren't going to play games or disobey at the drop of a hat as opposed to thinking up cute little blackmail techinques to force their partners to do what they want, the overall success and length of D/S relationships would greatly improve.

Good thing I am not strongly opionated, huh?

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:44:48 AM   
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Why do you care what other people think? 

Okay, I'll bite anyway.  Anyone who espouses "this is the only true (whatever)" is full of shit.  And yeah, ummm, unethical?  Last time I checked, blackmail was illegal.


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:50:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		so i suppose the op will take their money and belongings as well.  or throw them on the street for denying a non consensual relationship.




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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:51:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessNatasha

I have posted a similar message on other boards and received some interesting replies. I have become interested in an idea put forth by Author/Domme Ingred Bellemare that the only true slave is one who consents at the outset to a non-consensual relationship sustained by his love for his Mistress and cemented by some form of Compulsion. Ingred suggests the compulsion be a set of embarrassing photos/videos of the slave which, he agrees in the beginning, would only be released as a penalty for his default on the slave commitment (contract)
 
Penalties for default are common in contracts but some see this as unethical while others are thrilled by the added spice of enforcement. I have advertised exclusively on CM for My n-s slave and received quite a few replies and completed Applications.
 
What do you think? I would love to have your view on this concept.
 
Goddess Natasha thanks you.


blinks ... thumbs through the dictionary ... takes a swig of tea ... and thumbs through the dictionary

actually .. well ... Its not non-consensual .... because .. errrrrr ... they CONSENTED to the pictures being taken and being in a relationship where they would be used as a default cluase in a contract. So actually its fully consensual. Sorry to burst that bubble.

If it adds a touch of spice to your relationship to have such a punitive threat .. go for it .. its hardly black mail when they agreed to it. I think its pretty dumb .. because it has the potential to backfire and badly hurt people outside the relationship who had not consented to the situation (parents/children/co-workers)

If you want real non-consensuality ... find some guy you think is cute ... kidnap him ... take pictures of him against his will doing things that would be life-ending where they to get out .. dose them up on some toxin every morning that you give him the antidote to every evening ... then you have a NON-CONSENSUAL slave

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:53:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have no patience with this kind of rubbish, but if it revs your motor, go ahead.  Given my experience with submissive men, I'd be surprised if a situation like this lasted more than a few weeks.

Edited to add:  from the way you write both in your profile and your post, it sounds like you think this contract would have some legally enforceable validity.  It wouldn't.  If you tried to enforce an invalid contract by means of blackmail, I'm pretty sure you could still be charged with, guess what? Blackmail.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:53:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

I think that if you need blackmail to hold on to a servant, that wouldn't be the servant for me.

Calla Firestorm


Isn't this because we're talking about slaves, not servants? Maybe it's me, but I don't see any sort of similarity.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:55:17 AM   
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If you want real non-consensuality ... find some guy you think is cute ... kidnap him ... take pictures of him against his will doing things that would be life-ending where they to get out .. dose them up on some toxin every morning that you give him the antidote to every evening ... then you have a NON-CONSENSUAL slave

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 7:56:26 AM   
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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/12/2008 8:01:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		When asked by my nilla friends about my relationship to my former Master I would say to them, "He owns me every way but legally."  This became my mantra when contemplating the ending of our relationship.  He had (may still have, I don't know) pictures and IM conversation logs that I would really rather not have my family and/or co-workers see.

If he had chosen to ignore my decision to leave you can bet I would have contacted the police.

I've never had a contract with anyone.  I don't know how legally binding those are.  I would imagine all it would take from the used-to-be slave would be the claim that the document was signed while under duress.  Or that the "blackmail clause" was intended, as IrishMist puts it, to be the thought and threat of exposure, with the understanding being that none of this would actually occur.

I know that I, personally, will never again be in a relationship with someone who has to resort to any type of coersion or attack of my self-image to keep me with him.

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